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(Chicago Tribune) Sad A third of patients on transplant list are not eligible. But then again, why would you date someone who needs a transplant?   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 54
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Number41 2008-03-22 06:50:30 AM  
Golddiggin'?

 
Lord of Allusions [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 08:34:00 AM  
She didn't need one when we started dating.

 
ulwais [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 08:56:37 AM  
What could be a better pick up line than 'I know someone who needs a tranplant, let me check your organs'?

 
jake3988 2008-03-22 10:29:23 AM  
If you're turned off instantly because someone needs a transplant you have no heart and are a sick bastard.

 
blindy the pirate 2008-03-22 10:29:48 AM  
+1 Subby

 
Yunus 2008-03-22 10:31:06 AM  
Because theres less chance of getting suckered into a long term relationship.

 
mattso 2008-03-22 10:35:35 AM  
Because I'm a new move-in and some people just really like new move-ins?

 
Lamune_Baba 2008-03-22 10:35:50 AM  
More than a third of the nearly 98,000 patients on the list at any one time are classified as "inactive," meaning they could not be given an organ if it became available because they are too sick, or not sick enough, or for some other, often unexplained, reason.

Summed up more concisely:

... the insurance company doesn't want to pay, the insurance company refuses to pay, or the insurance company hopes stall the case in court until you die.

 
Dorf11 2008-03-22 10:38:22 AM  
"So... can I have your liver?"

 
kroonermanblack 2008-03-22 10:49:48 AM  
I'm feeling particularly stupid today, it took me about 15 minutes to get the headline...

 
consciousNOT [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 10:58:32 AM  
jake3988: If you're turned off instantly because someone needs a transplant you have no heart and are a sick bastard.

Hehehe! Hehe!

 
NYZooMan 2008-03-22 11:00:52 AM  
jake3988: If you're turned off instantly because someone needs a transplant you have no heart and are a sick bastard.

Typical transplant awaiting person.

 
rosonowski 2008-03-22 11:08:23 AM  
jake3988: If you're turned off instantly because someone needs a transplant you have no heart and are a sick bastard.

Well, if someone were looking for a long term relationship, someone who might be dying in the very near future might not be a very good bet. Maybe not an instant turn-off, but it's certainly something to consider.

 
Sock Puppet Army 2008-03-22 11:15:21 AM  
rosonowski Quote 2008-03-22 11:08:23 AM
jake3988: If you're turned off instantly because someone needs a transplant you have no heart and are a sick bastard.

Well, if someone were looking for a long term relationship, someone who might be dying in the very near future might not be a very good bet. Maybe not an instant turn-off, but it's certainly something to consider.


Not all transplants are done because it is an immediate life threatening issue. Look into all the reasons they do Isolated Bowel tx. But on a side note: pooing from a hole in you side may be a little gross.

 
HMS_Blinkin 2008-03-22 11:16:54 AM  
Women who need "organs" are my fetish.

 
whitefalcon79 2008-03-22 11:26:55 AM  
I ain't sayin' she's an organ-digger...

 
Handsome Jack Manitoba 2008-03-22 11:27:14 AM  
If it's a liver transplant, at least you know they're fun.

 
Mega Steve [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 11:31:00 AM  
Sock Puppet Army: Not all transplants are done because it is an immediate life threatening issue. Look into all the reasons they do Isolated Bowel tx. But on a side note: pooing from a hole in you side may be a little gross.

An extra hole? I'll be in my bunk

 
MellieMc 2008-03-22 11:37:35 AM  
Lamune_Baba: More than a third of the nearly 98,000 patients on the list at any one time are classified as "inactive," meaning they could not be given an organ if it became available because they are too sick, or not sick enough, or for some other, often unexplained, reason.

Summed up more concisely:

... the insurance company doesn't want to pay, the insurance company refuses to pay, or the insurance company hopes stall the case in court until you die.


My cousin's wife is on the heart transplant list. They were told they needed 500,000 up front. So they are going to need to have fundraisers etc...

 
Coelacanth 2008-03-22 11:57:59 AM  
Here in Las Vegas, my wife was turned down for a lifestyle transplant because of her "lifestyle".
She had been dry for 15 years. And she was in a coma for eight weeks before she died. Not one of those quiet, still comas you see on TV, but one where they have to tie you down and inject you with stuff to shut you up.
In the rooms are either side of her's, were musical and television celebrities whose time had come and gone, who up to the moment they went into the hospital kept on drinking and getting high.
They both had their liver transplants on the day my wife died.
Added bonus: When the funeral home got ahold of my wife's body, I was notified by the staff there who were well aware of my situation that she had been "harvested" of anything useful to the point where we could've buried her in a shoebox.

 
junge altman 2008-03-22 12:07:33 PM  
Coelacanth

your story sound too fantastic, what hospital was your wife at?

 
Tiredude99 [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 12:10:04 PM  
Being a recent organ recipient (cornea) Im glad I didnt have to wait.

 
Mr. Whipple Was A Closeted Charmin-Squeezer 2008-03-22 12:16:25 PM  
www.cinemablend.com

Would date an ineligible transplant patient. Or an eligible one.

 
bsuhorndog 2008-03-22 12:18:09 PM  
I would happily donate my organ to any lady in need.

 
Pythagoras 2008-03-22 12:40:20 PM  
img399.imageshack.us

 
blackizcool420 2008-03-22 12:44:10 PM  
One of my best friends was hit by a truck on Wednesday, March 19th.
He suffered massive brain swelling, and bleeding. They kept him on life support until Thursday, and harvested his organs... He saved 12
people's life... Up until this I have been weary of organ donation, but I think I will do it now because of my friend. Link (new window)

 
Raging Thespian [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 01:06:20 PM  
Unwilling to donate his organ:
images.bleedcubbieblue.com

/Okay, it was a harpsichord.
//Yes, I learned that from watching Scrooged too.

 
SharkTrager 2008-03-22 01:08:02 PM  
Lamune_Baba: More than a third of the nearly 98,000 patients on the list at any one time are classified as "inactive," meaning they could not be given an organ if it became available because they are too sick, or not sick enough, or for some other, often unexplained, reason.

Summed up more concisely:

... the insurance company doesn't want to pay, the insurance company refuses to pay, or the insurance company hopes stall the case in court until you die.


To be fair, a lot of the people who aren't eligible because they continue to do the things that brought about their need for a transplant in the first place(is alcoholics who still drink and need a liver transplant). Others have cancer that would spread much more quickly if they were on anti-rejection medication (as happened with Mickey Mantle).

Not everything is the fault of evil insurance companies. Just a lot of it.

 
CygnusDarius [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 01:18:47 PM  
subbywhy would you date someone who needs a transplant?

Because you know they're not going anywhere.

/Aisle seat, please
//I'll be here all week
///Try the haggis

 
hershmire 2008-03-22 01:26:49 PM  
Sweet, first green. Cheers to those who got the joke.

 
Dallymo [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 01:36:04 PM  
blackizcool420: One of my best friends was hit by a truck on Wednesday, March 19th.
He suffered massive brain swelling, and bleeding. They kept him on life support until Thursday, and harvested his organs... He saved 12
people's life... Up until this I have been weary of organ donation, but I think I will do it now because of my friend. Link (new window)


I'm sorry for your loss. Wow, though--out of a tragedy hope for twelve other people, and good for you for deciding to be a donor if you were in the same circumstance. Make sure your family knows your wishes.

 
Mugato [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 01:48:34 PM  
I don't know why anyone would not be an organ donor. Except maybe for some bullshiat religious reason.

/you don't want my liver

 
Mega Steve [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 01:53:25 PM  
Mugato: I don't know why anyone would not be an organ donor. Except maybe for some bullshiat religious reason.

/you don't want my liver


Why not? If you drink as much as I've heard, it'd probably taste delicious!

 
r1chard3 2008-03-22 02:11:22 PM  
as a person on a transplant waiting list I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/seriously

 
dogsol 2008-03-22 02:28:16 PM  
Anyone's welcome to my organs. You have to wait until I'm done with them though.

My uncle has four kidneys. Too bad only one of them works.

 
Scurvy Dog 2008-03-22 03:12:16 PM  
I used to work with someone who had hepatitis (I don't recall which strain) and needed a new liver - yet the doctors refused to put him on a waiting list until he quit drinking (he could drink any farker under the table), which he was unwilling to do.

 
Coelacanth 2008-03-22 03:43:54 PM  
junge altman: your story sound too fantastic, what hospital was your wife at?

I cannot say right now, but in the next few months I hope the story will be posted here on Fark. Because of the malpractice situations at the endoscopy centers, lawyers are working themselves into a feeding frenzy.

But I can say this: Westwood Studios was only a block away.

 
jumac 2008-03-22 03:58:14 PM  
I like the idea that my state and a lot of others make it so if you want to be a donor you can have a sticker or some thing place on your drivers licence. Just make sure your family knows this. I have heard to many stories of people who don't tell then their families get all made when it happens. I have read more then one story of a family suing to have it stopped before the organs are removed on religious reasons. There was even a story bout a wife who after her husband died and his organs had been removed(he even said it in his will that they where giving away) and giving away to those who needed them sue to have then removed form the people who got them and placed back with her husbands body cause her religious reasons said that if someone is missing any part of them then they could not go to heaven. She even said she knew that some people would have to die to get the organs back and she didn't care. If I recall right no lawyer in her area would take the case and she had to do it along and it was thown out.

 
drjekel_mrhyde 2008-03-22 04:09:14 PM  
1. Find rich woman that needs one
2.make sure you are not her blood type
3.Marry her
4.cross fingers (if you know what I mean)
5.Profit

 
Fishstick Kitty 2008-03-22 06:16:07 PM  
In Delaware, residents get a symbol on their driver's license denoting their wish to be an organ donor. Even though one wants to be a donor, their next of kin can still overrule their decision (the same applies to cremation).

For those who say organ donations is against their religion; I say baloney! More often than not, it's personal feelings, not religious beliefs. Feel free to check out this site for info on various religions and what they think about transplants: http://www.organdonor.gov/donation/religious_views.htm

My SO was on the waiting list for 4 months before his donor came along. During that time, he was ineligible (and removed from the list) a minimum of 5 times due to bouts of spontaneous bacterial peritonitis, fevers and other infections. If he had received a transplant during those times, the infections and fevers literally would have killed him because of the immune suppressant drugs he would have to take.

This past March 14 marked the 1 year anniversary of his transplant (or his 2nd birthday as we refer to it) and to date, the total costs have exceeded $600,000.00. Thankfully we were able to afford the COBRA payments or else he wouldn't be here today.

For those who need a transplant who don't have insurance or sufficient coverage, there are still ways to get a transplant. Many recipients qualify for Medicaid which does cover transplants. I know of 2 people who live in DE, yet Medicaid paid for one to get a transplant in FL, the other got his in MD. All it took was a few phone calls... The main point is to hang tough and explore every option available - don't meekly accept the first "No" you're given! If possible, get placed on as many transplant waiting lists as you can (in case one transplant center rejects the recipient hopeful, which happened in our situation).

For those awaiting a transplant, hang tough, stay healthy as possible and keep up your strength (you'll need it).

For those whose are living donors or related to a deceased donor (in any way), your and their decision means the world to the recipient, their loved ones and friends. They will never be forgotten by you or us. Seriously.

For those caring for one waiting for a transplant, see if they qualify for Hospice(transplant hopefuls are usually considered to be in a gray area where palliative vs. curative care is an issue). The hospice volunteers and staff are a Godsend who help the patient as well as their families get through an incredibly difficult time.

For those mentioned in the above 3 paragraphs, please accept a big hug on our behalf and others who have "walked a mile in your shoes".

/my apologies for the long post

 
lake_huron [TotalFark] 2008-03-22 06:55:31 PM  
As a physician who treats infections in transplant patients, kick, etc.

Ranking on the waiting list is multifactorial, comes from how sick someone is -- often with objective criteria relating to the organ of interest, complications relating to that dysfunction, and semi-objective criteria such as psych/substance issues relating to compliance. A good example is the MELD score for liver candidates.

There are usually weekly meetings involving transplant surgeons, transplant physicians for the organ of interest (e.g. transplant hepatologists for kidney txp, transplant hepatologists for liver, etc.), social workers, psych, sometime infectious diseases docs like myself, etc. Insurance and psych issues often get as much discussion time as medical issues.

The inactive list is long, but remember, someone on it for a year who suddenly gets their act together (e.g. quits drinking, in AA, good follow-up) can qualify. There's still not enough organs, so I think the quibbling about the length of the inactive list is irrelevant.

One problem is that people are sick for a while, but not sick enough to be high on the list. Then they get a complication, and may be too sick to survive the procedure; if they get through that complication, they may be high on the list, but if they don't, well, they don't make it.

A transplant patient needs to be able to take care of the new organ, and take an enormously complex regimen of a dozen medications on time. They often carry around small coolers with a week's worth of meds.

Coelacanth, if your story is as bad as you say (and we have no reason to doubt you), it sounds like the rules weren't followed, and I'm sorry.

Everyone on the waiting list, or with a loved one waiting, stay strong. They try to be fair.

Everyone who made it through, keep up the good work!

The people who didn't get it in time: sorry. Again, they try to be fair.

Thanks to all the donors, past and future.

http://www.unos.org/

 
ImagiC 2008-03-22 07:08:08 PM  
Coelacanth: Here in Las Vegas, my wife was turned down for a lifestyle transplant because of her "lifestyle".
She had been dry for 15 years. And she was in a coma for eight weeks before she died. Not one of those quiet, still comas you see on TV, but one where they have to tie you down and inject you with stuff to shut you up.
In the rooms are either side of her's, were musical and television celebrities whose time had come and gone, who up to the moment they went into the hospital kept on drinking and getting high.
They both had their liver transplants on the day my wife died.
Added bonus: When the funeral home got ahold of my wife's body, I was notified by the staff there who were well aware of my situation that she had been "harvested" of anything useful to the point where we could've buried her in a shoebox.



That's terrible. A similar thing happened to my father-in-law; "lifestyle" was an issue (even though he had been clean for some 14 years or so).

He was on a transplant list for *years* (liver - Hep C). If you're too "well", you don't qualify because there are people who need it more than you. If you're too sick, you need it more but the chances of you surviving the transplant are significantly less.

It's seriously screwed up.

I'm all for organ donation (registered donor here - everyone knows I'll come back and haunt their asses if my wishes are not respected), and we even did look into the "living donor" option - but we were incompatible. He passed away almost four years ago, after being on the transplant list for more than a decade. In all honesty, I think he'd just had enough.

 
Coelacanth 2008-03-22 07:41:39 PM  
lake_huron: If your story is as bad as you say (and we have no reason to doubt you), it sounds like the rules weren't followed, and I'm sorry.

I'm all for following the rules, but the jackasses in the rooms on either side of my wife's had already had two transplants apiece.
That's two apiece.
The harvesting of her organs is another can of worms entirely. After I got back my wife's belongings, there was one of those organ donor stickers attached to her driver's license. She was against donating her organs. But there it was, a brand new sticker with no sign of wear and crisp edges, and somebody had just initialed the thing with two meaningless swirls.
I swear the ink was still wet.
Right now in Nevada, the medical situation is so bad, people are going out of state and sometimes out of the country to get medical care.
If this was any other country, we'd be lining doctors and nurses up against the wall.

 
ehe86 2008-03-22 08:18:33 PM  
My father was a transplant recipient in 1993. He had been on the waiting list for over a year. The lung transplant program he was in at the Cleveland Clinic was relatively new and not willing to take poor chances, meaning, lots of patients who were "on the list" were never going to get the call because of their own issues--their refusal to quit smoking (or who lived with people who wouldn't quit), people who weren't going to follow through on physical rehab, people who quite frankly couldn't be trusted to manage their meds. Being a transplant recipient is essentially taking on a second job, and that's working your transplant. I don't think it's a worthiness issue, as in, who is more deserving. But how often do organs become available? And medically, isn't it better to offer it to a patient who is the best candidate psychologically as well as physically, who is most likely to do whatever he or she can to produce a good outcome?

I don't know anything about celebrities getting preferential treatment in my father's program, so I won't speculate that it did happen. I do know that one guy who got a lung the same week my dad did got a smack-down from the surgeon and the social worker about getting his wife to quit smoking before he went home. She wouldn't, so he didn't--he filed for divorce from his hospital bed, literally. He probably saved his own life, anyway.

 
whiskeyinthejar [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-03-22 08:39:26 PM  
Coelacanth - Your wife was against donating her own organs but expected one to be given to her? Interesting.

 
AppleOptionEsc 2008-03-22 09:19:57 PM  
whiskeyinthejar: Coelacanth - Your wife was against donating her own organs but expected one to be given to her? Interesting.

It was her personal choice. It doesn't really make her a bad person, it's just her beliefs. If i decided not to donate any exterior organs (i don't want anyone taking my eyes) should i never get to receive a liver or heart if i need one? And try not to make it sound even remotely like poetic justice. Killing some one then robbing them, only to find out a month later they could afford to lose money doesn't make the theft any more just.

/tried to find a fitting analogy
//Getting pop corn
///not that I'm going to be touching this subject anymore, even with a 10 foot poll

 
leegalizit 2008-03-22 09:24:45 PM  
If you need an organ try China. I hear they just got a fresh shipment of grade A Tibetan organs.


/I know, sick.
/You know it's true though.

 
oukewldave 2008-03-22 11:28:38 PM  
I think you shouldn't even have a choice if you want to be an organ donor or not. Everyone should have to be one. There is no reason to not be. Why should someone be a selfish douchebag even in death.

 
quickbusa 2008-03-22 11:37:20 PM  
I will be on the donor list when I can sell them and/or pick who on the list they go to. Someone explain to me why you shouldn't be able to sell them.

 
TwilightZone 2008-03-22 11:38:31 PM  
I'll sign an organ donor card when the companies that harvest organs, doctors who perform the surgery, hospitals where surgeries are performed and the surgical staff that assist all donate their time and/or resources. Face it, the truth is, organ transplants are a huge business. Why should everyone involved get to be "a selfish douchebag" and make a buck except the person/family that makes it possible? Make the business -- and it is a business -- equitable and there will be plenty of donors.

 
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