Waaaah, Obama's camp reacted with irritation when we said something nasty about him! Waaaaa!"

What an irresponsible thing to say. McCarthy was vicious, alcoholic, fear-mongering attention whore, but he was neither a rapist nor a war criminal.

hmm. Judging by the article, he actually seems reasonable about it.

Tabatha Static: What an irresponsible thing to say. McCarthy was vicious, alcoholic, fear-mongering attention whore, but he was neither a rapist nor a war criminal.



I'm not a Clinton hater but that was pure win...

That's nonsense. Bill Clinton is not a wooden puppet.

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!

Come on Obama camp, just 10 more days and Women's History Month shall be over. Then Hilldog will lose her +2 bonus added to every D20.

I see subby failed to read the article.

Can't wait for everyone else who will inevitably stop by to chime in without knowing the actual substance of what was actually stated.

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lolmao666: Clinton is a rapist, it's a FACT. In the whole sex with monica scandal, it wasn't just Lewinski the victim. There were others, and he wasn't cleared on those charges.

Whoa- a 'but Clinton' right out of the gate! +1

This is totally appropriate. The Clintons are somehow acting as if bringing up inappropriate arguments that Republicans are supposedly going to use, that Obama is a flag-hating Muslim black radical, somehow make it okay for the to use those arguments. Not that they would ever say something like that, but you know the Republicans will, those evil Republicans, and so, if you want to win, you'd better vote for them.

I'm disgusted by it, and I think Bill Clinton has neither shame nor integrity.

TO be frank, that kind of comment from Bill Clinton is COMPLETELY unacceptable.

He isn't just Hillary's husband. He is also an elder statesmen of the Democratic party and an ex-president.

To come out with comments that elevate John McCain while insulting Obama, the likely nominee of his party, is atrocious. His legacy is being flusehd away as we speak.

Also, a top Clinton aide compared Richardson to JUDAS for endorsing Obama.

Bill Frist: TO be frank, that kind of comment from Bill Clinton is COMPLETELY unacceptable.

He isn't just Hillary's husband. He is also an elder statesmen of the Democratic party and an ex-president.

To come out with comments that elevate John McCain while insulting Obama, the likely nominee of his party, is atrocious. His legacy is being flusehd away as we speak.

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of Al Gore much moreso then Bill.

That's not true! Bill Clinton isn't adored by hardline conservatives!

Bored Horde

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of a world market opened up by the end of the cold war and a unique leap in productivity brought about by the internet. Hillary probably won't have either of those things to exploit.

dervish16108: Come on Obama camp, just 10 more days and Women's History Month shall be over. Then Hilldog will lose her +2 bonus added to every D20.

You forgot her cursed mace of returning. Not only does it impart a -2 to all attack rolls, but it comes right back at her when thrown.

Carville calls Richardson Judas (new window)

Sheesh. Pres. Clinton's certainly smart enough to know when he's openly being an asshole and deserves to be called on it.

Remove all Republicans: Tallgordon: Bored Horde

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of a world market opened up by the end of the cold war and a unique leap in productivity brought about by the internet. Hillary probably won't have either of those things to exploit.

Oh, yeah, now the revisionism at work. Bill Clinton brought about one of the greatest economic booms in history, the first reduction in the federal deficit in 20 years, raised the minimum wage, and brought us the closest to peace in the Middle East in a long time and now no credit goes to him. What next, claim that it was all the Republicans who did it?

Bill Clinton didn't ram funding at the infancy of the internet until it came to life.

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Tallgordon: Bored Horde

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of a world market opened up by the end of the cold war and a unique leap in productivity brought about by the internet. Hillary probably won't have either of those things to exploit.

Oh, yeah, now the revisionism at work. Bill Clinton brought about one of the greatest economic booms in history, the first reduction in the federal deficit in 20 years, raised the minimum wage, and brought us the closest to peace in the Middle East in a long time and now no credit goes to him. What next, claim that it was all the Republicans who did it?



Please. Most economists agree that presidents have little impact on the economy (barring doing really stupid shiat like starting multiple costly wars, i guess). They get far too much blame and credit for when the economy does well.

Bill can take credit for working on the budget and middle east peace, but don't pretend he was what spurned the 90s economy.

I mean, unless you are counting the fact that Al Gore, Bill's VP, created the internet.

man i'm tired. Not spurned, spawned.

Tallgordon: Bored Horde

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of a world market opened up by the end of the cold war and a unique leap in productivity brought about by the internet. Hillary probably won't have either of those things to exploit.

Clinton was a good president.

This primary is making him into a bad ex-president. Normally, I might consider it sort of romantic or noble that he'd be willing to wager his legacy to help his wife's campaign, no matter how much of a horrid biatch she was. But with how much he's cheated on her, I'm pretty sure no one thinks he's doing it 'cuz he loves her.

Which is sad, in all sorts of ways.

Aeonic_Blue:

That's not true! Bill Clinton isn't adored by hardline conservatives!

Well, only his weener is, realy.

They are quite obsessed with the Clenis.

Bill Frist: I mean, unless you are counting the fact that Al Gore, Bill's VP, created the internet.

He didn't invent it, but many technologies that showed great promise have died because they lacked the funding to go from prototype to commercial development.

Normally, I might consider it sort of romantic or noble that he'd be willing to wager his legacy to help his wife's campaign, no matter how much of a horrid biatch she was.

fark that. It is less a matter of farking up his legacy than farking up his own party.

There is a reason Bush Sr. refused to attack McCain when Bush Jr. was running in 2000. You don't attack members of your party when you are an elder statesmen.

so?

One of Obama's top aides compares Bill Clinton to Joseph McCarthy

Bill Clinton acts like Joseph McCarthy and questions Obama's patriotism to score cheap political points

FTFY, Subby

FTA

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country"

The respect that Bill had from me is fading fast. Bill was a brilliant mind when it came to political strategy, but now his wife's campaign is so painfully short sighted...how can he not see it? If you try to make the election about who is more patriotic and who has more experience...McCain will destroy anyone. Jesus, he got tortured for his country and he has decades of elected office experience.


/wondering why no one is asking Hillary about this

Bill Clinton is a classic narcissist. That's nothing surprising. We've known this for years.

Remove all Republicans: Tallgordon: Bored Horde

I lay the good times of the Clinton presidency at the feet of a world market opened up by the end of the cold war and a unique leap in productivity brought about by the internet. Hillary probably won't have either of those things to exploit.

Oh, yeah, now the revisionism at work. Bill Clinton brought about one of the greatest economic booms in history, the first reduction in the federal deficit in 20 years, raised the minimum wage, and brought us the closest to peace in the Middle East in a long time and now no credit goes to him. What next, claim that it was all the Republicans who did it?

Over 20 million Americans died while Clinton was in office. He is a very bad man.

/sarcasm. I'm making fun of the Clinton shills.

Scorched earth! Nothing else matters as long as the Clinton dynasty can continue.

paygun: Scorched earth! Nothing else matters as long as the Clinton dynasty can continue.

That is a brilliant. "Scorched earth" is exactly the strategy that they are employing. This should become a talking point.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said Clinton, who was speaking to a group of veterans Friday in Charlotte, N.C. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Ok, I must be missing some context here, cause it's kind of a stretch to say that Bill is slighting Obama, here.

"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.


Ok, sure, from the first quote it didn't seem like Clinton was actually calling Obama a traitor. wtf. But neither is this guy directly comparing McCarthy to Clinton.

A pox on both their houses, for making this high school class president style politics bullsh*t a big deal.

I liked Bill as president. In fact I voted for him the first time I could vote for a president. I even liked him as an ex-president alot for awhile. Lately he has become an asshat who shows that he doesn't care about his party at all but only his personal power and that of his wife. I am not sure if he has changed or if I just didn't notice it before but he has always seemed, until recently, to be a far finer person than his loathsome wife.

hockeyfarker: high school class president style politics bullsh*t a big deal.
Lol, that reminds me of something (this is irrelevant to the article). I go to Hot Springs High School what's the Alma Mater of Bill Clinton and such and my teacher in one class who is pretty old likes to tell a story about how he was a senior and told "little Billy Clinton" how to become class president (not like strategy for becoming it but how to actually run etc.). Idk... you mentioning high school class presidents + Clinton brought that story to mind and it's kind of amusing imo.

/also: g08bama etc. etc.

Kurland: I liked Bill as president. In fact I voted for him the first time I could vote for a president. I even liked him as an ex-president alot for awhile. Lately he has become an asshat who shows that he doesn't care about his party at all but only his personal power and that of his wife. I am not sure if he has changed or if I just didn't notice it before but he has always seemed, until recently, to be a far finer person than his loathsome wife.

This. The vodak restricts further comment.

uptonogood:

I see subby failed to read the article.

Can't wait for everyone else who will inevitably stop by to chime in without knowing the actual substance of what was actually stated.

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It worked for them over the Wright "scandal", why would they do something different this time?

Remove all Republicans: JQPublic: Over 20 million Americans died while Clinton was in office. He is a very bad man.

Not everyone who died can be blamed on him. What specifically are you talking about?

You're dense.

rburp: Lol, that reminds me of something (this is irrelevant to the article). I go to Hot Springs High School what's the Alma Mater of Bill Clinton and such and my teacher in one class who is pretty old likes to tell a story about how he was a senior and told "little Billy Clinton" how to become class president (not like strategy for becoming it but how to actually run etc.). Idk... you mentioning high school class presidents + Clinton brought that story to mind and it's kind of amusing imo.

I don't suppose she's the one who teaches your third-period How To Use A Period And Avoid Runon Sentences class, is she? ;)

The great irony of Bill's statement is that anyone who reads it, takes a moment to think, then agrees with it would vote Obama, given that Obama has been the one trying to run an issue-based campaign from the get-go.

KrispyKringle:

You're dense.

He thinks HRC will win the nomination, what do you expect?

Remove all Republicans:

You have doubts about the Democratic Party's ability to grab defeat from the jaws of victory? I'm just going on reputation and history.

That was when the DLC was running the same old, same old 50%+1 strategy while ignoring the independents who are the key for that strategy to work. Since Dean's take over and his replacement of that strategy with a more grassroots approach, the 50 state strategy, the Dems have done a damn good job of winning. Obama winning both the nomination and general election will be the death blow to the DINOs who comprise the entire DLC wing of the Democratic pary.

Remove all Republicans: You have doubts about the Democratic Party's ability to grab defeat from the jaws of victory? I'm just going on reputation and history.

I think generally speaking, it's all BS.

Nobody wants another Bush, and that's kind of exactly what McCain is shaping up to be. Come election time, I don't think it's really gonna matter, whatever people say now, they're gonna vote Democrat. People are being very dramatic and saying that if XXX wins the democratic primary, I'm not going to vote for them, etc, etc, but the fact of it is: by the time November rolls around, whoever wins the Dem nomination is better than a continuance of Bush policy. In more lucid moments, I think most non-right-leaning American farkers would agree.

Kurland: I liked Bill as president. In fact I voted for him the first time I could vote for a president. I even liked him as an ex-president alot for awhile. Lately he has become an asshat who shows that he doesn't care about his party at all but only his personal power and that of his wife. I am not sure if he has changed or if I just didn't notice it before but he has always seemed, until recently, to be a far finer person than his loathsome wife.

Uh, what did you expect? Bill Clinton *not* to campaign for Hillary?

Unright:

Uh, what did you expect? Bill Clinton *not* to campaign for Hillary?

I think he was expecting him to be less dickish about it. All but accusing Obama of being unpatriotic is a pretty dickish thing to say about a fellow Democrat, especially when you are 'kind' enough to imply that your opponent is just as patriotic as your wife.

starsrift: Nobody wants another Bush, and that's kind of exactly what McCain is shaping up to be. Come election time, I don't think it's really gonna matter, whatever people say now, they're gonna vote Democrat. People are being very dramatic and saying that if XXX wins the democratic primary, I'm not going to vote for them, etc, etc, but the fact of it is: by the time November rolls around, whoever wins the Dem nomination is better than a continuance of Bush policy. In more lucid moments, I think most non-right-leaning American farkers would agree.

The thing about Hillary is, she's made excuses before regarding why she can't get things done. She blamed her failure to help upstate New York constituents jobs on a Republican majority and administration in New York (new window). Excuses are her specialty, so if we do get a change in house and senate majorities after she's (God forbid) president, all bets are off.

Sorry, I wont vote for excuse-prone republican-liters who voted for the Iraq war under any circumstances.

dervish16108: Sorry, I wont vote for excuse-prone republican-liters who voted for the Iraq war under any circumstances.

I remember watching the 2000 presidential race, and how many people were saying they'd rather vote independent than Gore. Which was pointed out by pundits - and quite accurately - that if someone who'd normally vote democrat voted for an independent, they were effectively throwing their vote away and "giving" Bush a vote (because America is pretty much a two-party system).

Are you saying that you're going to repeat this kind of mistake?

starsrift: Are you saying that you're going to repeat this kind of mistake?

Are you saying that you actually believe that Hillary will do anything besides sell us out to the Republicans and the military industrial complex?

starsrift:

Are you saying that you're going to repeat this kind of mistake?

If the choices are someone who gives the appearance of being a principled incompetent douche, and someone who is a blatently corrupt and incompetent douche, a lot of people would prefer the former over the latter.

dervish16108:

Are you saying that you actually believe that Hillary will do anything besides sell us out to the Republicans and the military industrial complex?

You'd get that regardless of whether Clinton or McCain win the general election. Luckily, the only way Obama can lose at this point is if he comes down with a case of dead before the convention.