Endorsements, like states, only matter if she wins them.

If they (the Clinton's) were smart they would lock Penn in a room with hookers and blow until the primaries are over. Heck, put Bill in there too.

LOL. I'm guessing Clinton lost the Superbowl bet, too.

Like I predicted last night, the talk of the networks isn't Rev. Wright, it's the privacy breaches and Richardson's endorsement.

Edwards should follow suit.

Anarchangel: Like I predicted last night, the talk of the networks isn't Rev. Wright, it's the privacy breaches and Richardson's endorsement.

Edwards should follow suit.

Got any stock pics?

Anarchangel: the talk of the networks isn't Rev. Wright,

That was the last three weeks of 24x7 coverage. This is THIS week. Get with the program.

unlikely: Anarchangel: the talk of the networks isn't Rev. Wright,

That was the last three weeks of 24x7 coverage. This is THIS week. Get with the program.

Yeah, that was my point.

There were several people in threads last night saying "Obama's done, Rev. Wright is his Dean Scream, they won't talk about real news, blah blah blah."

quickdraw: Anarchangel: Like I predicted last night, the talk of the networks isn't Rev. Wright, it's the privacy breaches and Richardson's endorsement.

Edwards should follow suit.

Got any stock pics?

I'd be buying the fark out of silver and gold.

You can always move to a third-world country and give it to their dictator in exchange for your own beachhouse with twelve mistresses and unlimited food and liquor.

I was at the Obama rally this morning in Portland where Richardson made the announcement in person. It was an exciting moment.

Can we PLEASE get past the news screaming ZOMFG RACIST WRIGHT and talk about news?

If Pelosi, Gore, and either Harry Reid or John Edwards endorses Obama, it will be over.

Look for Richardson as the Veep. A Red-ish State Governor with a Latino sway would de Obama some good on the ticket.

I like Richardson, but he is something of a bumbling goon. I wonder if he would truly be a good VP pick. Also, two ethnic dudes running together? Maybe too much for America.

On the flip side, maybe he would bring over tons of hispanic votes and coupling with Obama's black votes they would need that many whites.

Anarchangel: There were several people in threads last night saying "Obama's done, Rev. Wright is his Dean Scream, they won't talk about real news, blah blah blah."

Yeah, but those same people have been saying that since Obama won Iowa.

Too late. He could have ended this race in Texas.

The Ring. Not yours.

We did not want Richardson's endorsement. We have never wanted Richardson's endorsement. Richardson is of no consequence. We are not convinced Richardson even exists. You are all doomed. Only I can save you now.

Comply.

DamnYankees: Too late. He could have ended this race in Texas.

While that's true to a certain extent this is definitely good timing on the Obama campaign. Along with PassportGate this will be something new for the MSM to chew on. If more supderdels (EDWARDS!) get out of their holes and join the endorse-fest it could be the beginning of the end.

stargazer101: DamnYankees: Too late. He could have ended this race in Texas.

While that's true to a certain extent this is definitely good timing on the Obama campaign. Along with PassportGate this will be something new for the MSM to chew on. If more supderdels (EDWARDS!) get out of their holes and join the endorse-fest it could be the beginning of the end.

The beginning of the end was Wisconsin. We keep waiting for the end of the end.

I'm just glad he finally made up his mind. Would have been better before Texas, but now works too. The fact that he did work for the Clinton Administration, but sided with Obama will probably have an impact on some of the undecideds still left to vote anyways.

Bill Frist: I like Richardson, but he is something of a bumbling goon. I wonder if he would truly be a good VP pick.

In an interview today he was not applying for the Vice President spot... he is applying for the Secretary of State spot.

Isn't Richardson for Ending the War or drugs? Thought he talked about that when he was governor. If so, hell yeah, make him VP.

I like where this thread is going.

In an interview today he was not applying for the Vice President spot... he is applying for the Secretary of State spot.

He definitly needs a cabinet spot. Just not sure about VP

Anarchangel [TotalFark] Quote 2008-03-21 05:30:47 PM


Got any stock pics?

I'd be buying the fark out of silver and gold.

You'd be an idiot to get into that market now, you're too late. Try Brazilian mining/oil companies

Born2late: Isn't Richardson for Ending the War or drugs? Thought he talked about that when he was governor. If so, hell yeah, make him VP.

I like where this thread is going.

The only way Richardson is going to be VP is if McCain picks him ;)

Empanda: I'm just glad he finally made up his mind. Would have been better before Texas, but now works too. The fact that he did work for the Clinton Administration, but sided with Obama will probably have an impact on some of the undecideds still left to vote anyways.

Another influence that this is going to have is over super delegates that have not publicly endorsed. A lot of super delegates are privately endorsing Obama (because he leads in pledged delegates), but are waiting on other bigger names to endorse before they step forward.

There was a story floated around the March 4th primary that the Obama campaign had 50+ super delegates waiting to endorse. I believe that Richardson's endorsement may just be first of many big names leading into the Pennsylvania primary, and they are going to be pulling many more super delegates with them.

Born2late: Isn't Richardson for Ending the War or drugs? Thought he talked about that when he was governor. If so, hell yeah, make him VP.

I like where this thread is going.

Hell, I'd just like acknowldegement that our entire policy on cannibis is the result of testimony from someone who lied under oath to Congress. And yes, it's well documented.

That aside, look for more viciousness from Team Clinton. As we come to the end of the primary season, Hillary knows she's behind Obama. This thing is going to come down the convention.

Ok, so here's the problems I forsee:

1. Hillary needs the superdelegates to ALL vote her way. The problem is that she has almost no way to force them into supporting her. So I think she (or Bill) will bribe them.

2. Party insiders are uncomfortable with Obama. He's new enough to not be hooked into and locked into the usual web of favors and debts that all candidates get locked into as they climb the ranks. He could act independantly of their interests, which is bad. Hillary tho - she's been around long enough to be locked into that web. She's a known quantity. She can be dealt with in a reliable manner. So they might throw their support to Hillary.

3. Worst case - Hillary steals the nomination. assuming she does get the nomination, the rank and file will assume (perhaps rightly) that Hillary 'stole the election'. Talk about a mess! over half the democratic party is gonna be pissed off. And not just mildly annoyed either - i'm talking ROYALLY pissed off. So the question is how do the party insiders balance their political interests vs alienating their voter base? I don't think they can, so we might see the DNC destroy themselves as an effective political party.

This entire election season has practically been handed to the DNC on a silver platter...they have all the advantages. The Republicans are scattered and divided, they have a moderately weak token candidate and the country is looking for anyone OTHER than another Bushie. Meanwhile the DNC has motivated the troops, rallyed them to the cause and has money flowing into the warchests. They have the issues, the money and momentum on their side. But their leaders are going to spend all those advantages squabbling over who gets to sit in the big chair.

Just my opinion tho. take it for what you will.

He can't be on the ticket, though, he has too many sexual harassment issues. He would become a negative.

Weaver95: B

2. Party insiders are uncomfortable with Obama. He's new enough to not be hooked into and locked into the usual web of favors and debts that all candidates get locked into as they climb the ranks. He could act independantly of their interests, which is bad. Hillary tho - she's been around long enough to be locked into that web. She's a known quantity. She can be dealt with in a reliable manner. So they might throw their support to Hillary.



I used to think this was the case but I seriously doubt that to know Hillary is to love her. There must be quite few DNC insiders who would be very happy to see her, Bill and the DLC go away.

Also don't underestimate the rage that will ensue when boomer feminists realize that they have been duped and that Hillary is a closet fundy.

Weaver95: 2. Party insiders are uncomfortable with Obama. He's new enough to not be hooked into and locked into the usual web of favors and debts that all candidates get locked into as they climb the ranks. He could act independantly of their interests, which is bad. Hillary tho - she's been around long enough to be locked into that web. She's a known quantity. She can be dealt with in a reliable manner. So they might throw their support to Hillary.

This has already happened. If you look at a roll call of Clinton's super delegate endorsers you will find that many of them are DNC party members, not elected superdelegates. She has a 2:1 advantage in party insiders endorsing her over Obama.

But I think much of this is not an honest questioning of Obama's credentials, as much as a dividend on Clintonian patronage.

quickdraw: I used to think this was the case but I seriously doubt that to know Hillary is to love her. There must be quite few DNC insiders who would be very happy to see her, Bill and the DLC go away.

You don't have to like someone to do business with 'em. And that's what politics is - a business. Hillary knows the game, she's willing to make a deal and she'll work with the power players without upsetting the apple cart. They might not like her very much, but they know she'll probably stay bought.

Obama tho...he might just overturn the apple cart. And coming from such a strong position he'll be difficult to work with - he might just demand things go his way and be able to GET it.

Also don't underestimate the rage that will ensue when boomer feminists realize that they have been duped and that Hillary is a closet fundy.

I think the feminists supporting Hillary are fanatics. NOTHING will convince them that Hillary isn't their gal. Ironic, given Hillary's near complete rejection of feminist ideology. Stand by your man Hillary? Yeah, that's just what a good feminists should do - be submissive and supportive when her guy goes off to bang the help.

The gal pal sisterhood supporting Hillary are insane. They've chosen to forget about Hillary's past actions. they've deluded themselves into thinking Hillary is their candidate. And nothing is going to convince them otherwise.

Weaver95: And nothing is going to convince them otherwise.

Not even a tell all book coming out this May about Hillary's fundy church^ and their unequivocal stand on abortion? Not to mention their views on evolution and a woman's place.

I'm tellin you once that book hits the stands its all over. It would be wise of her to step down before thats on the shelves.

quickdraw: Not even a tell all book coming out this May about Hillary's fundy church^ and their unequivocal stand on abortion? Not to mention their views on evolution and a woman's place.

I get the impression that they meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado known as "The Meadows." Was Colonel Sanders a member before he went tits-up?

/No fan of Hillary, but this smells of tinfoil hat bullshiat.

quickdraw: I'm tellin you once that book hits the stands its all over. It would be wise of her to step down before thats on the shelves.

If we were dealing with rational people, I'd tend to agree. But I recall a press conference where patty ireland (the head of the National organization of women at the time) stood on stage and offically called for all feminists to stand by Bill Clinton's affair with an intern. By all rights, those gals should have ripped into Bill with the fury of a thousand ex-wives and jilted girlfriends. If it had been any other guy, they would have done just that.

What's left of modern feminsts are the doublethink brigade and idiots who will make any tradeoff in support of their ideology.

quickdraw: I'm tellin you once that book hits the stands its all over. It would be wise of her to step down before thats on the shelves.

That cult is so secretive that she will be able to claim plausible deniability on any links to it.

BKITU: /No fan of Hillary, but this smells of tinfoil hat bullshiat.

I know - isn't it weird? I have been doing some digging around and it just keeps getting stranger. Its like a bad Bond movie.

Weaver95:
If we were dealing with rational people, I'd tend to agree. But I recall a press conference where patty ireland (the head of the National organization of women at the time) stood on stage and offically called for all feminists to stand by Bill Clinton's affair with an intern. By all rights, those gals should have ripped into Bill with the fury of a thousand ex-wives and jilted girlfriends. If it had been any other guy, they would have done just that.

What's left of modern feminsts are the doublethink brigade and idiots who will make any tradeoff in support of their ideology.

Well being a modern feminist myself I don't agree. Post boomer feminists are a different breed that the boomers. The boomer feminists have always been a very "stand by your man" bunch - odd as that sounds.

Most of those women came of age at a time when being "groovy" meant not being "hung up" on things like fidelity. Remember the 60s and 70s? Back then being liberated meant not expecting men to be faithful. In return women were told they could throw the kids in daycare and go work if they wanted too.

I know lots of women in that age group who chose to turn a blind eye rather than face the humiliation.

Code_Archeologist: That cult is so secretive that she will be able to claim plausible deniability on any links to it.

I would have said you were right but now with this book coming out when combined with some of her own statements....



All that said I am sure there are some people who will stick with her till the bitter end. No accounting for willful ignorance.

She'll lie just a little for a few dollars more
Even cry just a little for a few dollars more

quickdraw: Code_Archeologist: That cult is so secretive that she will be able to claim plausible deniability on any links to it.

I would have said you were right but now with this book coming out when combined with some of her own statements....

Deep down, I hope you are right. I want knowledge of the The Family and the entire Dominionist movement be mainstreamed. But I suspect that the media will accidentally overlook this.

quickdraw: Weaver95: And nothing is going to convince them otherwise.

Not even a tell all book coming out this May about Hillary's fundy church^ and their unequivocal stand on abortion? Not to mention their views on evolution and a woman's place.

I'm tellin you once that book hits the stands its all over. It would be wise of her to step down before thats on the shelves.

Honestly, I don't care. This is the same as the Wright thing. Does she believe those things? Clearly not. Think what you want about her, but she's very pro-choice and she's not a creationist.

Weaver95: Just my opinion tho. take it for what you will.

Yore giving taihs to much thouht wiht yore branes. Trie thikbing wiht yore hart.

Code_Archeologist:
Deep down, I hope you are right. I want knowledge of the The Family and the entire Dominionist movement be mainstreamed. But I suspect that the media will accidentally overlook this.

Could be. They do seem like a pretty scary bunch to cross.

DamnYankees:
Honestly, I don't care. This is the same as the Wright thing. Does she believe those things? Clearly not. Think what you want about her, but she's very pro-choice and she's not a creationist.

If she comes out and gives a speech clarifying her involvement with them and where her personal beliefs differ then that would be fine by me. It's just that given her stance about the "vast right-wing conspiracy" it seems more than a tad odd that she has embraced it's most established organization and considers herself part of it.

quickdraw: If she comes out and gives a speech clarifying her involvement with them and where her personal beliefs differ then that would be fine by me. It's just that given her stance about the "vast right-wing conspiracy" it seems more than a tad odd that she has embraced it's most established organization and considers herself part of it.

I don't really agree. As an Obama supporter, I don't think that speech should have been necessary. I understand why it was, but he shouldn't have had to give it. So I extend that same courtesy to Hillary. Her record shows no inclination towards those beliefs, so I see no reason to doubt it.

DamnYankees: I don't really agree. As an Obama supporter, I don't think that speech should have been necessary. I understand why it was, but he shouldn't have had to give it. So I extend that same courtesy to Hillary. Her record shows no inclination towards those beliefs, so I see no reason to doubt it.

Certainly, you don't think that a higher bar needs to be set for someone that has a duskier heritage.

DamnYankees: I don't really agree. As an Obama supporter, I don't think that speech should have been necessary. I understand why it was, but he shouldn't have had to give it. So I extend that same courtesy to Hillary. Her record shows no inclination towards those beliefs, so I see no reason to doubt it.

That's actually a principled stance. And on Fark, no less.

I consider things like Huckabee's claim that he didn't descend from an ape (really?) to be indicative of the candidate's personal judgment, so you could make the same argument about Hillary or Obama. The difference is that, as you say, neither has done anything to indicate that they share those particular views, so where they go to church doesn't really matter a whole lot. It's a poor indicator, at best.

This typical white person is happy that he decided against crossing over to vote for Obama during the Texas primary. I would have regretted doing so.

Reactron: DamnYankees: I don't really agree. As an Obama supporter, I don't think that speech should have been necessary. I understand why it was, but he shouldn't have had to give it. So I extend that same courtesy to Hillary. Her record shows no inclination towards those beliefs, so I see no reason to doubt it.

Certainly, you don't think that a higher bar needs to be set for someone that has a duskier heritage.

A higher bar for what, though? No matter how dusky or corrupt you think Hillary is, you really think she might be a closet pro-lifer?

KrispyKringle: I consider things like Huckabee's claim that he didn't descend from an ape (really?) to be indicative of the candidate's personal judgment, so you could make the same argument about Hillary or Obama. The difference is that, as you say, neither has done anything to indicate that they share those particular views, so where they go to church doesn't really matter a whole lot. It's a poor indicator, at best.

I agree. You can attack Hillary for choosing to associate with those people, but I don't think she needs to deny she holds those views.

DamnYankees:
I don't really agree. As an Obama supporter, I don't think that speech should have been necessary. I understand why it was, but he shouldn't have had to give it. So I extend that same courtesy to Hillary. Her record shows no inclination towards those beliefs, so I see no reason to doubt it.

I understand your point but the fact is that a candidate's whole job is to explain their positions on various issues. Should Pastor Wright's sermons have become an issue? I would say no, but it did, and then Obama had to address it. On the plus side it gave him the opportunity to discuss in passionate detail his views on race relations.

In Hillary's case the church she attends has strong political leanings and has actively interfered in political affairs both here and abroad. Her relationship with her god is her own business up until it affects her behavior as a pubic servant. At that point it becomes my business.

Do a little open-minded research into the group and then decide whether or not it ought to be looked into further. I would have agreed with you until I read their website and a few articles.

/not mine

DamnYankees: Certainly, you don't think that a higher bar needs to be set for someone that has a duskier heritage.

A higher bar for what, though? No matter how dusky or corrupt you think Hillary is, you really think she might be a closet pro-lifer?

Google dusky.