That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

peck?

you guys are reallly trying here, and its kinda sad.

foster404: you guys are reallly trying here, and its kinda sad.

who?

people who watched the whole sermon and realized there was actually nothing inflammatory about it at all?

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

So, what we have here is a black man quoting a white man quoting a black man?

Here is a detailed retelling and contextualization of the "Coming home to roost" sermon:

Link (new window)

LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

So - what would you like to do with the legions of people who agree with Wright? Round 'em all up and send 'em to Gitmo?

Dissent is patriotic.

PocketfullaSass: Here is a detailed retelling and contextualization of the "Coming home to roost" sermon:

Link (new window)

nice

"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."

yeah - thats there some dangerous talk alright.

Yes, it's true: this man has no dick.

PocketfullaSass: Here is a detailed retelling and contextualization of the "Coming home to roost" sermon:

Link (new window)

Who gives a fark. I'm not voting for Wright or Peck or Malcolm X...

quickdraw: LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

So - what would you like to do with the legions of people who agree with Wright? Round 'em all up and send 'em to Gitmo?

Dissent is patriotic.

Dissent =/= patriotic. Some dissent may be--but such statements are more indicative of ignorant sloganeering than anything else.

It makes little sense on a bumper sticker, and even less in a forum where you have a little more room to type...

quickdraw: "Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."

yeah - thats there some dangerous talk alright.


It is dangerous, in a sense. It is dangerous to the power structure that has been using "they hate us for our freedoms" to advance their agenda... because it directly contradicts that idea.

It promotes the idea that maybe we aren't hated for our freedoms, but because the US has acted as a domineering patriarch in a region where we have no right to do so. If we were in the Middle East acting as as valued customers and equal trading partners--who have a vested interest in stability there to ensure continued transactions--I sincerely doubt we would be hated.

It's true



This man has no dick

LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

No kidding. Anybody else who tried to say these things would've been crucified. Remember Imus? He didn't come NEAR what Wright said!

Double standards

I don't get it... Don't we want our chickens back?

Turns out Rev Wright was just exercising his free speech.

But that's never good enough.

LyriCa1z:

That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

Edward Peck is a former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force. He was speaking on Fox News at the time. Just so you know.

LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

So now wright is just despicalble and deplorable but not a racist?

Didn't make it through TF

"God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war . And we are criminals in that war. We've committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it"

Context....learn it, live it, love it.

quickdraw: "Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."



That's Raci...wait what!?

glassa: LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

No kidding. Anybody else who tried to say these things would've been crucified. Remember Imus? He didn't come NEAR what Wright said!

Double standards

Poor analogy.

You mean a 5 second sound bite didn't fully explain his views?

Come on. . .

The Omamanites on FARK are contorting like a Bangkok whore. The other side is right on this one. THIS ONE. If all the conservatives have is POW-boy... Well, I've become so disgusted with politics, gun control, abortion and race relations (or rather the supporters/opponents of such things) that I'm going to stop watching the news, reading the paper, or visiting political websites. From now on, my worldview will be influenced only by The Hun and Uh-Oh.

Deacon Blue: The Omamanites on FARK are contorting like a Bangkok whore. The other side is right on this one. THIS ONE. If all the conservatives have is POW-boy... Well, I've become so disgusted with politics, gun control, abortion and race relations (or rather the supporters/opponents of such things) that I'm going to stop watching the news, reading the paper, or visiting political websites. From now on, my worldview will be influenced only by The Hun and Uh-Oh.

huh?

PocketfullaSass: Link (new window)

I found myself wanting to go back to church.

Who would have thought a person would place his own compass of morality (it's bad to kill anyone for any reason, and can never be justified) above defending the policies of the country they live in?

fark Clinton, Fox, and all the MSM for that bullshiat. Anyone who has ever read interviews or opinion pieces by Ambassador Peck knows that he is truly one of our more intellectual members of society, and a very able and capable diplomat. Instead of attacking them without listening to their arguments, how about we do the rarely practiced activity of shutting up and listening, and then disecting the argument for strengths and weaknesses. But I suppose that is too much to ask for from a populace as bloated with arrogance and ignorance of the United States. If everyone could do this, I think most would come to agree with me on what the "dream" ticket really would be this year. Oh well.

Solo/Spock '08

Deacon Blue: The other side is right on this one

Unarguably true.

/Only if you meant "right" (politically) as opposed to "left" (politically)
//Otherwise, not so much

Deacon Blue: Omamanites on FARK

repost

I dont get this.

Myself, I'm not some huge Obama fan. I deviate from some of his political opinions quite vociferously. However, when all of his positions are weighed out, I am somewhat positive on his overall platform.

Now, to interject some relativity into this..... When I examine Obama through the election 2008 lens, which currently constitutes Hillary and McCain, supporting Obama seems like the only sensible choice in the matter, and I'm suddenly relieved that at least one of these candidates isnt a terrible choice.

glassa: No kidding. Anybody else who tried to say these things would've been crucified. Remember Imus? He didn't come NEAR what Wright said!

If Wright's employer fired him, I wouldn't object.

Also, you might have noticed that there are quite a lot of people out there trying to crucify Obama for what Wright said. So it's crucifixion by proxy. Proxfixion.

secular_christian: fark Clinton, Fox, and all the MSM for that bullshiat. Anyone who has ever read interviews or opinion pieces by Ambassador Peck knows that he is truly one of our more intellectual members of society, and a very able and capable diplomat. Instead of attacking them without listening to their arguments, how about we do the rarely practiced activity of shutting up and listening, and then disecting the argument for strengths and weaknesses. But I suppose that is too much to ask for from a populace as bloated with arrogance and ignorance of the United States. If everyone could do this, I think most would come to agree with me on what the "dream" ticket really would be this year. Oh well.

Solo/Spock '08

Smug elitist intelectual!!!!

/did I do that right?

BMulligan: LyriCa1z:

That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

Edward Peck is a former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force. He was speaking on Fox News at the time. Just so you know.

Also, he served in the US Army as a paratrooper.

atlanta_ufo: Also, he served in the US Army as a paratrooper.

I bet he injured himself to get those Purple Hearts.

LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

It's not that radical, is it? How many times in the Bible did God "damn" a whole country or threaten to do so? It seems pretty consistent at least with the Old Testament.

Oh, and please don't bring Jesus into this. Jesus was discredited long ago in my mind, due to his blatantly unpatriotic rhetoric.

All2morrowsparTs: Smug elitist intelectual!!!!

/did I do that right?

Your mom's mom did it right last night.

How's that for smug elitist intellectual?

kronicfeld: atlanta_ufo: Also, he served in the US Army as a paratrooper.

I bet he injured himself to get those Purple Hearts.


Typical Liberal, wasting goverment money by jumping out of a perfectly good plane.

atlanta_ufo:

Also, he served in the US Army as a paratrooper.

And Jeremiah Wright was a Marine. I wonder if he ever met TheConvincingSavant's wife?

secular_christian: All2morrowsparTs: Smug elitist intelectual!!!!

/did I do that right?

Your mom's mom did it right last night.

How's that for smug elitist intellectual?

8/10

All2morrowsparTs 8/10

At least that matches my elitist intellectual record in college.

BravadoGT: quickdraw: LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

So - what would you like to do with the legions of people who agree with Wright? Round 'em all up and send 'em to Gitmo?

Dissent is patriotic.

Dissent =/= patriotic. Some dissent may be--but such statements are more indicative of ignorant sloganeering than anything else.

It makes little sense on a bumper sticker, and even less in a forum where you have a little more room to type...

Personally, isn't the whole idea of America "unpatriotic"? It's hard to think of a document more "unpatriotic" than The Declaration of Independence.

BMulligan: LyriCa1z:

That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

Edward Peck is a former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force. He was speaking on Fox News at the time. Just so you know.

Oh. In that case, he is 100% right.

secular_christian: All2morrowsparTs 8/10

At least that matches my elitist intellectual record in college.

9/10

If you mentioned an ivy league college it would have been a 10/10.

Ah, the b..b..but they did it TOO!! defense.

Sure sounds like CHANGE to me!!!


BS is as BS does.

/Obama...NOTHING NEW HERE!

glassa: LyriCa1z: That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

No kidding. Anybody else who tried to say these things would've been crucified. Remember Imus? He didn't come NEAR what Wright said!

Double standards

Um, no. Imus used racial epithets against black basketball players. Please list the racial epithets uttered by Wright. Oh wait, you can't list any because Wright never made any.

Party Boy: When I examine Obama through the election 2008 lens, which currently constitutes Hillary and McCain, supporting Obama seems like the only sensible choice in the matter, and I'm suddenly relieved that at least one of these candidates isnt a terrible choice.

Being the least horrible should not be a reason for people to support a certain candidate.

Wright's tirades from the pulpit poked some holes in Obama's magic armor of change.

If Obama doesn't really represent anything new in terms of the racial divide (just more of the same, delivered with a more honest-looking smile because "he knows", unlike HILLARY), then what other "change" has he got for us?

/In the end, one politician leaves the office, another politician enters.

WTF? Somebody want to cut and paste the chicken's come home to roost reference that Huff is refering to? I can't find Peck saying that.

NYZooMan: Ah, the b..b..but they did it TOO!! defense.

Sure sounds like CHANGE to me!!!


BS is as BS does.

/Obama...NOTHING NEW HERE!

That's too bad. I was hoping for a draft, a deep recession and the world to hate us and want and try to bring us to our knees.

burndtdan: foster404: you guys are reallly trying here, and its kinda sad.

who?

people who watched the whole sermon and realized there was actually nothing inflammatory about it at all?

Context is unAmerican. Hear the soundbite. Love the soundbite.

Nemo's Brother:

BMulligan: LyriCa1z:

That makes Peck just as radical and deplorable as Wright. Anyone thinking this clears Wright of his radical thinking, and conveyance of such in his sermons is as naive as they come. Just because he didn't come up with the rhetoric on his own, he still shouted it from the pulpit full of angst and fury. I can't believe how the left continues to try and defend this guy.

Edward Peck is a former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force. He was speaking on Fox News at the time. Just so you know.

Oh. In that case, he is 100% right.

I assume this is snark, so I'll bite. My point is not that Edward Peck is right or wrong - my point is that for LyriCa1z to describe someone who is a former high-ranking diplomat and an advisor to Ronald Reagan as "radical" on the basis of a few lines from a news transcript is - odd.