Oh I'm pretty sure we've abandoned the former and have moved on to the latter.

I would honestly be completely shocked if it were the former and not the latter. I have absolutely no hope for the integrity of (American) politics.

Bread and circuses!

Go 'way, 'batin!

It's absurd that so many people don't already see this.

A couple months ago, I would have said an Obama/McCain race would be exactly what this country needs.

/McCain has betrayed me
//Obama maybe

Depends. Will the carnival have funnel cake?
That's good.

whiskeyinthejar: Bread and circuses!

Big screen HDTVs and American Idol!

Hey Mister,
Would you like to buy a watch reach cheap
Right here on the street?
I've got six on two arms
And two more on me feet.

My life is a carnival.

/Too obscure?

Why even ask the question? I've already turned my TV off and resigned myself to ignoring all newspapers and radio stations for the next 12 months.

March-June: 3 mos of increasing Dem. wrangling
June-August: 3 mos of Dem/Rep hysteria leading to nat. conventions
August-Nov: 3 mos of total clusterfark leading to national elections
Nov-January: 2 mos of inane media blather about who stole what from whom
Jan-Feb: Swearing in and post-swearing in media dissection

I can't wait till next year.

Oh boy! I love carnivals!

I can't wait for the funnel cake at the polling station in November.

i don't think i'd mind the idea of superdelegates if i was one...

good grief people are dumb

The name of the game for Obama opponents is "exploit black anger."

"Uh, you talk like a fag, and your shiat's all retarded."

Opiate of the Lasses: Depends. Will the carnival have funnel cake?
That's good.

McCain contains potassium benzoate.
That's bad.

Too bad he's just a typical black person.

Opiate of the Lasses: Depends. Will the carnival have funnel cake?
That's good.


√ ear candy
√ apples
√ sound bites
X funnel cake

/sorry

orrinbloquy: Go 'way, 'batin!

Yup.

I'm saving the "serious conversation of the issues" for President Dwayne Alazondo Mt. Dew Camacho.

orrinbloquy: Go 'way, 'batin!

At least in Idiocracy, the President wanted to help his people, and so asked the smart guy to fix it. And even admitted he was wrong.

NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

GBmanNC

Depends. Will the carnival have funnel cake?
That's good.
McCain contains potassium benzoate.
That's bad.

Is that a Simpsons reference? Funny bit.

mamoru: I would honestly be completely shocked if it were the former and not the latter. I have absolutely no hope for the integrity of (American) politics or journalism.

FTFY

"This is the challenge of 2008: whether we will have a big election or a small one. Will we have a serious conversation about the problems confronting the country, or will we allow the same-old carnival of swift boats and sound bites?"

Easy.

boomaze: NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

It means I don't like bigots.

Racist whites have replaced the word 'nigg*r' with 'racist'.

1978: The damn nigg*rs bring their problems upon their own community. They need to get over it.

2008: The damn racists bring their problems upon their own community. They need to get over it.

The worst part is, people today don't even realize that they're doing it. The greatest trick the Republican party ever pulled was to convince people that racism didn't exist (while using it garner votes under the guise of 'states rights', of course).

The latter.

But most of all, it depends on you.

*giggle*

NYZooMan: boomaze: NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

It means I don't like bigots.

My irony-meter just exploded.

NYZooMan: boomaze: NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

It means I don't like bigots.

Nor do muslims. Or Jews. Or gays. Or anyone else. Gotta point?

If Obama is the nominee the election will be big and will include debates on real issues. If its Hillary v. McCain it will be the usual petty Washington insider mudslinging with each one trying to out play the other while ignoring anything the people actually care about.

If the media refuses to allow swift-boaters on the TV to lie, then perhaps we could.

/like that'll happen

Shaggy_C: Racist whites have replaced the word 'nigg*r' with 'racist'.

1978: The damn nigg*rs bring their problems upon their own community. They need to get over it.

2008: The damn racists bring their problems upon their own community. They need to get over it.

The worst part is, people today don't even realize that they're doing it. The greatest trick the Republican party ever pulled was to convince people that racism didn't exist (while using it garner votes under the guise of 'states rights', of course).

I think I recall someone giving a speech about something like this a few days ago. Maybe you should read it.

NYZooMan: boomaze: NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

It means I don't like bigots.

You are beautiful man, and the world is better place because of you.
I will now smoke a bowl to your wit. +100

Gyrfalcon: Why even ask the question? I've already turned my TV off and resigned myself to ignoring all newspapers and radio stations for the next 12 months.

March-June: 3 mos of increasing Dem. wrangling
June-August: 3 mos of Dem/Rep hysteria leading to nat. conventions
August-Nov: 3 mos of total clusterfark leading to imposition of martial law and suspension of national elections
Nov-January: 2 mos of suppression of free speech except for inane media blather about who stole what from whom
Jan-Feb: Swearing in of Bush-appointed Special Homeland Security Tribunal and post-swearing in establishment of Dissent Camps, completely devoid of media dissection

I can't wait till next year.

Me either. Already shopping for a cheap flat in jolly old England.

WTF is a "small election" at the national level?

"And that is the existential challenge of 2008: whether we will have a big election or a small one. Will we have a serious conversation about the enormous problems confronting the country-the wars, the economic crisis, the looming environmental cataclysm-or will we allow the same-old carnival of swift boats and sound bites? The answer depends on the candidates, of course, and on the media-where cynicism too often passes for insight. But most of all, it depends on you."

And... boom.. there he lays it out for us, in all its ugly glory... Yes, the politicians are part of the problem, yes, the media is part of the problem, but probably most importantly, we, all of us, are part of the problem. We've allowed this crap by being suckered in by all the soundbites and shiat like the Swiftboat veterans. If people stopped responding to this inane crap, then maybe, juuuussst maybe, the politicians and the media would give it a rest. But they don't, you know why? Because it gets results. We have a fickle and shallow media, and fickle and shallow politicians, because we are a fickle and shallow people. Until we make a concerted effort to change ourselves, nothing further will change.

Shaggy_C: The greatest trick the Republican party ever pulled was to convince people that racism didn't exist .



And poof. Just like that, it's gone.

NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

"the same-old carnival of swift boats and sound bites?"

"This is the challenge of 2008: whether we will have a big election or a small one. Will we have a serious conversation about the problems confronting the country, or will we allow the same-old carnival of swift boats and sound bites?"

I sincerely hope that its the former, but my gut tells me the latter.

This is the reason that America is on the decline right now. We've lost the ability to have a serious discussion about the problems facing our country, and serious solutions to fixing them. Individual politicians, as well as the government as a whole, can't seem to admit that they're ever wrong about anything.

In the past, the US had the balls to man up and admit that it wasn't perfect, and address problems such as women's rights to vote, slavery, racism, civil rights, etc. Dealing with these problems was politically suicidal in the short term, but it was the right thing to do in the long term. Nowadays, all politicians care about are short term political gains.

For example, very few politicians in DC today would've have the balls to sign the Civil Rights Act back in the 60's, knowing how much it pissed off white voters.

American History X is on FX. Seems fitting somehow after reading a certain Farker's posts.



Put your mouth on the curb. Put it on the curb right now! That's it - NOW SAY GOODNIGHT!

I still think that the funniest part of all of this is the fact that the GOP, in light of 2004 and all they did to Kerry...essentially nominated the GOP version of him for 2008.

Ye gods... what a time to be only 30 and an attorney... if only the former happens...

I'm afraid of carnies.

It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

rppp01a: NYZooMan: boomaze: NYZooMan: Too bad he's just a typical black person.

I keep seeing you post that. What does it mean or are you a weak troll?

It means I don't like bigots.

Nor do muslims. Or Jews. Or gays. Or anyone else. Gotta point?

He's referencing Obama saying the other day that his grandma was a "typical white person" in being afraid of minorities. Obama obviously intended TWP "WHO IS" afraid of minorities, not a blanket statement about all white people, but...well, expect Fox News and the allegedly "liberal" media to give a lot of play to it in coming days.

cchris_39: It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

A lot of people kinda think it was one of the greatest speeches in a long time. I mean, you can disagree with them, but you can't deny the fact that a TON of people were very impressed..

cchris_39: It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

Klein...AND Scarborough...AND Pat Buchanan...

Man, what a bunch of liberal apologists.

boomaze: cchris_39: It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

A lot of people kinda think it was one of the greatest speeches in a long time. I mean, you can disagree with them, but you can't deny the fact that a TON of people were very impressed..

Sadly, I'm sure they were....



Now go 'way! baitin'!

robsul82: cchris_39: It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

Klein...AND Scarborough...AND Pat Buchanan...

Man, what a bunch of liberal apologists.

Not to mention those Libs at the National Review.

cchris_39: boomaze: cchris_39: It was sort of pre-ordained that Olberman and Matthews would declare this one of the great speeches in American history; just never knew Joe Klein swallowed too.

A lot of people kinda think it was one of the greatest speeches in a long time. I mean, you can disagree with them, but you can't deny the fact that a TON of people were very impressed..

Sadly, I'm sure they were....



Now go 'way! baitin'!

I guess it is one of two things:

1.Millions of people on both side of the political spectrum were who were very impressed with his speech are stupid

or

2.You are an idiot


Pick one. I gotta think about it.