And I think that should wrap up Hillary's campaign.


Of course, it doesn't matter what I think since I don't run her campaign.

It was a ridiculous idea to start with, Michigan.

I wonder if there is any potential of a backlash in the general election from this.

No, you cannot have a victory over Ohio State, or a primary do-over.

Not yours.

Nabb1: I wonder if there is any potential of a backlash in the general election from this.

there might be, but it wouldnt make sense.

the nominee didn't do it. the national party didn't do it. the state party did.

the rules were set ahead of time. they broke it. the backlash should be in the form of voting them out of the state government.

*goes to Slates Delegate counter*

If Clinton wins 63% - 37% in each of the remaining contest and they split Michigan and Florida delegates 50/50...

Obama is still up by 8 delegates.

FWIW, the majority of Florida and Michigan voters feel slighted, but they don't blame the dems enough to not vote for them in November--they're more pissed at their state leadership (as they should be).

Should have added that was only my opinion. I want to head off the questions of "source, please?"

Insurance_EE_guy: If Clinton wins 63% - 37% in each of the remaining contest

Haha... Yeah right... like that's going to happen.

Good.

Accountability? That's such a foreign concept in America today.
Good for the Michigan State Senate. If you break the rules you live with the consequences.

The citizens of Michigan will all get their votes counted in the National election.

/ fumblin' ... bumblin' ... stumblin'

CalvinMorallis: FWIW, the majority of Florida and Michigan voters feel slighted, but they don't blame the dems enough to not vote for them in November--they're more pissed at their state leadership (as they should be).

Source?

CalvinMorallis: Should have added that was only my opinion. I want to head off the questions of "source, please?"

Sure, move the goal posts!

/farkers don't say please

Damn. So what state delegates will Hillary and her horde buy now?

clancifer: Damn. So what state delegates will Hillary and her horde buy now?

Superdelegates, my friend. She will buy superdelegates by the truckload in an effort to say "Look, it's basically a tie!" at the convention where the big guns will come out and Obama will be hit with some conjured scandal that holds no water but serves to drive enough votes away from Obama so that Hillary can get her coronation.

And then she loses in November as half of the Democratic vote stays home.

bberg: clancifer: Damn. So what state delegates will Hillary and her horde buy now?

Superdelegates, my friend. She will buy superdelegates by the truckload in an effort to say "Look, it's basically a tie!" at the convention where the big guns will come out and Obama will be hit with some conjured scandal that holds no water but serves to drive enough votes away from Obama so that Hillary can get her coronation.

And then she loses in November as half of the Democratic vote stays home.

Conjured scandal? You mean like... being a member of a racist American hating church?

Ryan2065: CalvinMorallis: FWIW, the majority of Florida and Michigan voters feel slighted, but they don't blame the dems enough to not vote for them in November--they're more pissed at their state leadership (as they should be).

Source?

CalvinMorallis: Should have added that was only my opinion. I want to head off the questions of "source, please?"

Sure, move the goal posts!

/farkers don't say please

cracker please.

sometimes we do.

/it's ok for me to say cracker because i am one

I think the Dem powers that be are still trying to figure out what to do with Hillary. Unfortunately they can't just cast her aside because she has poisoned the well so much by making it about identity politics. She has the old coonts ready to stay home or vote McCain if "their girl" is denied her "rightful turn" that she worked so hard for against the men with their Evil Penises of Death.

If she had run with any class at all, it would have gone a long way towards helping reunite the party when Barack wraps it up. If she'd been super classy it might have restored her image somewhat to the point where Obama voters would accept her grudgingly as Veep. Barack could be the silk glove and her the iron fist.

But she's basically said nomination is mine or nothing. I really think she knows it's her last chance and she's gambling the Dem leaders blink at the potential of her tearing the party in two along race/gender lines. I don't get it though. If she taints Barack to where he loses the general, or steals it from him and destroys the party, she has no political future. NONE. She can only win a Pyrrhic victory.

This is Obama's fault, right?

Just trying to keep up with the Mark Penn newsletters.

bberg: clancifer: Damn. So what state delegates will Hillary and her horde buy now?

Superdelegates, my friend. She will buy superdelegates by the truckload in an effort to say "Look, it's basically a tie!" at the convention where the big guns will come out and Obama will be hit with some conjured scandal that holds no water but serves to drive enough votes away from Obama so that Hillary can get her coronation.

And then she loses in November as half of the Democratic vote stays home.

Well, lets hope that the superdelegates are the 'informed' voters that the speech was aimed at, and thus are unaffected by HRC's smear attacks.

/maybe they actually watched the whole thing

Michigan and Florida broke the rules. Looks like legislators are forcing the local party to stick to their own rules.

I find it ironic that Hillary tries to cheat to win and nobody calls her out on it.

The headline was worthless without a Matt Millen joke.

Also, I think Hillary's playing the numbers [as she sees them]. She's hoping the party leaders are more Ok with pissing off Black [~12% of pop], than white women [~40% of pop]. And she's gonna say the Latino vote will more than make up for them naggers anyways.

veedeevadeevoodee: / fumblin' ... bumblin' ... stumblin'

*shakes fist*


Crazy_horce: Accountability? That's such a foreign concept in America today.
Good for the Michigan State Senate. If you break the rules you live with the consequences.

The citizens of Michigan will all get their votes counted in the National election.

I read that so wrong the first time

Depending on how the remaining contests go, Obama supporters and anti-hillary democrats need to start organizing for the National Convention. If Hillary can only when through superdelegates, there needs to be five Obama/anti-Hillary supporters for every pro-Hillary person at the convention, ready to strike and protest. It may not sway superdelegates, but it will let the rest of the world know that there's a sizable number of people in this country aware that we are being farked.

Weaver95: Michigan and Florida broke the rules. Looks like legislators are forcing the local party to stick to their own rules.

I find it ironic that Hillary tries to cheat to win and nobody calls her out on it.

Not really ironic, is it?

But yeah, I really, really don't get the complete blackout on this issue. Clear-cut case of broken rules, a violation of a pledge on Hillary's part, she still is trying her damnedest to take all.... and nobody says nothin'. What?

randomjsa:

You mean like... being a member of a racist American hating church?

Yep, that would qualify as the textbook definition of a conjured scandal. So does the Rezko thing.

Aeonic_Blue: Not really ironic, is it?

It's ironic because instead of focusing on something that is actually newsworthy, they decided to put all of their focus on "Angry pastor sounds angry". I'm not going to be tinfoil hatty about it by saying it's because they're in the tank for Clinton, but keeping the primaries going is making them money and it's hard to say that Clinton has a legitimate shot at winning the election if they report on the fact she is trying to cheat.

Opiate of the Lasses: Also, I think Hillary's playing the numbers [as she sees them]. She's hoping the party leaders are more Ok with pissing off Black [~12% of pop], than white women [~40% of pop]. And she's gonna say the Latino vote will more than make up for them naggers anyways.

Well, Obama can get them back with Sebelius as VP. Clinton won't find a similar black guy...

Longtime Lurker: Well, Obama can get them back with Sebelius as VP. Clinton won't find a similar black guy...

Clinton and Sharpton!

picturescrazy: And I think that should wrap up Hillary's campaign.

Of course, it doesn't matter what I think since I don't run her campaign.

No one "Runs" her campaign. Her campaign is a life unto itself. It lives, it breathes, it bleeds and cries. And there is no "wrapping it up". It can't be stopped. Years from now, when your grandchildren ask you "why is the 2008HillaryCampaign Inc the worlds only employer" you'll look at them, with a tear in your eye, and say "we tried to stop it. Many brave men and women gave their all. But she was too much. We would kill it. We watched it die! But the next day it was bigger, more powerful. Please forgive me. We . . .I failed! I failed your future! But Dammit I Tried!"

Hopefully this is last we'll hear about a second primary in Mich. (but I doubt it is)

Florida looks more like it might actually happen, even if it is half-assed and cobbled together at the last minute.

Fraggler:

Florida looks more like it might actually happen, even if it is half-assed and cobbled together at the last minute.

So it'll be like every other Florida election?

I Said: picturescrazy: And I think that should wrap up Hillary's campaign.

Of course, it doesn't matter what I think since I don't run her campaign.

No one "Runs" her campaign. Her campaign is a life unto itself. It lives, it breathes, it bleeds and cries. And there is no "wrapping it up". It can't be stopped. Years from now, when your grandchildren ask you "why is the 2008HillaryCampaign Inc the worlds only employer" you'll look at them, with a tear in your eye, and say "we tried to stop it. Many brave men and women gave their all. But she was too much. We would kill it. We watched it die! But the next day it was bigger, more powerful. Please forgive me. We . . .I failed! I failed your future! But Dammit I Tried!"

I fear you may be right. But I tried!

There should be no revote. Think of the field day Republican ne'er-do-wells would have with a Democrat-only election. It'd be exactly like handing them a free pass to screw everything up for the people they hate more than Farkers hate SuperDeluxe.

Speaking as a Michigan resident, I am split about the primary vote. I voted not for Clinton on the Dem ballot, just because I didn't want to give the state to her on a sliver platter if she decided to pull the shenanigans that she ended up pulling. I'm not mad at the candidates, I'm mad at the state officials. They were told if you move the date this would happen, they said OK and did it, then they blame everyone else for what happened.

Seriously, after the state shutdown last October and this, I can't say I'm ready to vote Republicans, but I'm definitely not voting incumbents. Maybe this will be the year we'll finally see election reform...but I'm pretty sure that is wishful thinking.