Nestea Plunge: Here I thought Fred Thompson was a little confused.

he was just in need of a nap.

He's just following the standard Bush administration policy of leaving out the 'in Iraq' part of al Qaeda in Iraq and hoping the people listening won't realize they're 2 different organizations.

ulwais: He's just following the standard Bush administration policy of leaving out the 'in Iraq' part of al Qaeda in Iraq and hoping the people listening won't realize they're 2 different organizations.

it's not that innocuous. mccain and bush have both gone out of their way to say that al qaeda in iraq are in fact al qaeda.

bush claimed that the iraqis we are paying to fight for us are a sign of a muslim uprising against osama bin laden himself, even though osama has literally nothing to do with anything happening in iraq.

it isn't ignorance. they very clearly have an orchestrated campaign of misinformation.

B-b-but he just misspoke!

It was refreshing to see Obama yesterday put that subject of his radical church(that nobody should even care about) behind him, and attack McCain on this very important happening.

/He makes me wish I had a vagina

muck4doo: It was refreshing to see Obama yesterday put that subject of his radical church(that nobody should even care about) behind him, and attack McCain on this very important happening.

/He makes me wish I had a vagina

a) when you're talking about going to war, it is incredibly important that the person making those decisions knows who he's attacking and why
b) just like people trying to attack his race speech, you pick one sentence out of an incredibly long, thorough, and complex discussion and ignore the rest. i'd guess it's because you don't have a clue as to how to even begin attacking the rest.

burndtdan: muck4doo: It was refreshing to see Obama yesterday put that subject of his radical church(that nobody should even care about) behind him, and attack McCain on this very important happening.

/He makes me wish I had a vagina

a) when you're talking about going to war, it is incredibly important that the person making those decisions knows who he's attacking and why
b) just like people trying to attack his race speech, you pick one sentence out of an incredibly long, thorough, and complex discussion and ignore the rest. i'd guess it's because you don't have a clue as to how to even begin attacking the rest.

OMG!!!!11! You're right! I didn't mention his entire speech. How erroneous of me.

McCwned.

muck4doo: OMG!!!!11! You're right! I didn't mention his entire speech. How erroneous of me.

your attack on his speech was like watching the star wars trilogy and saying it sucked because there was an extra in a scene with a dirty costume.

picking the most irrelevant detail and acting as if that's all that mattered.

ulwais: He's just following the standard Bush administration policy of leaving out the 'in Iraq' part of al Qaeda in Iraq and hoping the people listening won't realize they're 2 different organizations.

And hoping that people won't realize that Bush and McCain AREN'T two different organizations...

Can't blame them for trying, US citizens have been swallowing false BS about "terrorist links" for over 5 years now.

muck4doo: OMG!!!!11! men!

See how that works? ;)

submitter: In a world where everything gets written down and filmed, making false links between al Qaeda and Iran can be really costly, especially if you make a habit out of it

In a world where CNN edits your misstatements to make them look better it may not matter.

First I thought it was just Alzheimer's but now I really think "Mr. Experience" has no clue about what is going on in Iraq.

Pathetic.

Is this the best the Republicans can do?

burndtdan: muck4doo: OMG!!!!11! You're right! I didn't mention his entire speech. How erroneous of me.

your attack on his speech was like watching the star wars trilogy and saying it sucked because there was an extra in a scene with a dirty costume.

picking the most irrelevant detail and acting as if that's all that mattered.

You know, I don't think that pledging to fight our enemies in Iraq for the next 100 years, and yet somehow not knowing who those enemies are, is somehow not the most irrelevant detail.

As a high school dropout who knows the difference between Sunni and Shiite, I'm really getting a kick out of McCain's replies.

hobnail

Holy christ is that funny.

Koalaesq

A little scary, too.

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!

No one has said that.

But he is saying they support a group that is their enemy!

Do you think all terroists groups are the same thing and work together?

Do you want to fight more Iraq wars for years and spend trillions of dollars because your leaders have no idea about what is going on?

Do we want to keep with the George W. Bush principals of pretending we don't need to understand what we get involved with, or do you want to go in a different direction?

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!

All them brownies are alike, right!

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!

get a brain Moran.

See, Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and Iran supports Al Qaida, so Iran is responsible for 9/11.

Maybe we do Syria next. Syria is reponsible for 9/11.

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!

None of those are al Qaeda.

The "Ignore" feature is a lovely thing.

The sad thing is I used to respect McCain about 10 years ago. Now he's a silly old warmonger.

Does it really matter what terrorist groups Iran supports? They're brown people who have leaders that say stupid things. Much unlike America who have white leaders that say stupid things.

It is totally different.

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!



/just thought it would be fun.

canyoneer: Yeah! Iran doesn't support any terrorist groups! That McCain's a dummy!

Too bad that's not what he said.

And yes, he is a feeble-minded geriatric.

What's scarier?

McCain's fear mongering or the fact that he actually has supporters?

ulwais:

He's just following the standard Bush administration policy of leaving out the 'in Iraq' part of al Qaeda in Iraq and hoping the people listening won't realize they're 2 different organizations.

Yes, they're two different organizations. Problem is, that's a subtle and difficult point to make to a lot of people. The simpler, and more significant, point is that neither of them is allied with Iran.

subby: In a world where everything gets written down and filmed, making false links between al Qaeda and Iran can be really costly, especially if you make a habit out of it

All you were missing was "One man..."

Cataclaw: McCain's fear mongering or the fact that he actually has supporters?

he only has one supporter in this thread; the one who also wants to wage an eternal occupation of iraq so he can fill up his suv for five bucks less.

Commanders of the military wing of Hamas, the Islamist movement elected to power in the Palestinian territories earlier this year, are locked in a fierce debate over whether to launch terrorist attacks on U.S. targets in the Middle East. (new window)

Hassan Nasrallah says:

"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute..."

"I conclude my speech with the slogan that will continue to reverberate on all occasions so that nobody will think that we have weakened. Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America." (BBC Monitoring: Al-Manar, Sep. 27, 2002)

"It is our pride that the Great Satan (U.S.) and the head of despotism, corruption and arrogance in modern times considers us as an enemy that should be listed in the terrorism list...I say to every member of Hezbollah (should) be happy and proud that your party has been placed on the list of terrorist organizations as the U.S. view it." (United Press International, Nov. 4, 2001)

"Martyrdom operations - suicide bombings - should be exported outside Palestine. I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide. Don't be shy about it." (Washington Times, Dec. 6, 2002) (new window)

I don't know, guys. Which group of anti-American terrorists should we be fighting against? Only Al Qaeda? yeah, let's just ignore Hamas and Hezbollah when they declare war on the United States. After all, it was really smart to ignore Al Qaeda when it declred war on the United States, wasn't it?

So, what's it to be? Do we pick and choose the islamic fundamentalist groups we fight, or should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

Wasted Pixels: None of those are al Qaeda.

Hell, the only reason one of them is considered a terrorist organization is so that the administration doesn't look like a bumbling asstard in front of the media like he did when he claimed that Iraq was swarming with terrorists before you went in.

/No terrorists to drum up faux outrage about?
//that's ok, we'll have the senate hold a vote to relabel their standing army into a terrorist group

my favorite

BMulligan: Yes, they're two different organizations. Problem is, that's a subtle and difficult point to make to a lot of people.

Maybe I can sell those people my Rolex (from Mexico).

canyoneer: So, what's it to be? Do we pick and choose the islamic fundamentalist groups we fight, or should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

I thought we fight against the ones that actually strike us instead of just huffing and puffing and talking a big game.

Lol. Look at that idiot McCain. Iran supports and trains Hezbollah not Al Queda.

Only a senile old man could get the names of two different radical Islamist terrorist groups confused.

Cubist Robot Party: burndtdan: muck4doo: OMG!!!!11! You're right! I didn't mention his entire speech. How erroneous of me.

your attack on his speech was like watching the star wars trilogy and saying it sucked because there was an extra in a scene with a dirty costume.

picking the most irrelevant detail and acting as if that's all that mattered.

You know, I don't think that pledging to fight our enemies in Iraq for the next 100 years, and yet somehow not knowing who those enemies are, is somehow not the most irrelevant detail.

certainly not an irrelevant detail in the discussion at large, but definitely not the theme of obama's speech.

politicati:

The sad thing is I used to respect McCain about 10 years ago. Now he's a silly old warmonger.

I used to respect him too.

Then I moved to Arizona and learned that the "maverick" attitude that gets so much play in the media is about as real as his daughter's tits.

canyoneer: should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

What are you contributing to fight this eternal, global effort?

canyoneer: So, what's it to be? Do we pick and choose the islamic fundamentalist groups we fight, or should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

Hey how about we elect politicians that actually know the basic facts about a situation before they go to war?

How about that idea?

"Mr. Experience" doesn't know even the general facts about a war we have been fighting badly for 5 years now.

The problem is he is an idiot, like W. Bush.

He like you don't know the difference between shiat and shia!

canyoneer: or should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

no, we should only fight Islamic fundamentalism when it won't overturn the global energy supply applecart. The risk of some dirty third world bottom feeders blowing up a federal building isn't enough to warrant a global recession through military action.

canyoneer: I don't know, guys. Which group of anti-American terrorists should we be fighting against? Only Al Qaeda?

Your guy made a dumb-ass comment.

The exact kind of dumb-ass 'misunderstanding' that got us into Iraq in the first place.

Quit trying to defend him.

He was wrong, and you are making yourself look like an unprincipled apologist by defending his remarks.

canyoneer: So, what's it to be? Do we pick and choose the islamic fundamentalist groups we fight, or should we fight islamic fundamentalism whereever we find it?

So you want and believe McCain wants to turn this into a global religious war against all islamic military factions?

That's what you want and think McCain wants to bring to us? A global religious war?