Sweet. Hear the music, RIAA.

...driving a long nail in the industry

A nine-inch nail, perhaps? Bwahahahaha!

Good for him. I'm sure the 10+ years of exposure under a major label had nothing to do with his success.

But the RIAA says the internet is killing the livelihood of musicians and the music industry.

/also makes money selling music on the internet
//not $2million, but more than the RIAA's made me.

Good for him. Musicians like Prince, Radiohead, and now Reznor are starting to show the RIAA just how useless their old distribution schemes are.

Kudos, Trent. I may not care for some of your music, but making money while sticking it to the man is commendable regardless of your music.

Seems low. Didn't Spitzer's girlfriend make, like, a million bucks off some crappy song she did? Or did that turn out to be one of those there internet exaggerations?

Hey Trent! Ogre Nivek did it a thousand times better. Who gives a shiat what you sell.

Congrats Trent. Maybe now you can afford to make your own music and stop adding disco beats to skinny puppy songs.

j_twelve

I do. So do the millions of other people paying to hear his music. Go screw

Poorlytoldjoke

Congrats Trent. Maybe now you can afford to make your own music and stop adding disco beats to skinny puppy songs.

Have you even heard anything he's done since 1989?

BobtheFascist: Good for him. I'm sure the 10+ years of exposure under a major label had nothing to do with his success.

I blame emo kids who are all "Let's go back to the classic stuff" and then are all "oh wow, this guy totally wears fishnet shirts and stockings, too! I can SO identify with this guy. Let's download his songs, put 'em on our iPod, then hit the sale at Hot Topic!"

attack of the: Poorlytoldjoke

Congrats Trent. Maybe now you can afford to make your own music and stop adding disco beats to skinny puppy songs.

Have you even heard anything he's done since 1989?

Yeah, he did the soundtrack to Doom 3, and...uh....um......well, that's the last thing he did that I care about.

Yeah I was wondering if "ghosts". sounded like that SKINNY PUPPY brap instrumental double cd (disk 2 is live)

Coz I bought brap fearing the worse and I was suprised how good and enjoyable it is.... If you're in the mood for mellow, almost ambient


/That said for creepy instrumentals I really also dig aphex twin ambient work vol 2.

Yeah man... I can't listen to him now, he's totally sold out, you know? His older stuff was pretty good, but really, anything after "Broken" is just pop drivel, you know...?

Somebody link that video from the 80s where he was the keyboardist in some synth pop band

I actually enjoyed Ghosts I-IV so I'm glad that it has found such surprising success, being an instrumental album and all.

Head like a hole?

I dunno...in some ways, Ghosts seemed like musical masturbation, and his fans were the ones getting bukkaked.

I like ambient, electronica... my tastes range pretty far and wide, "eclectic" doesn't even begin to describe the kind of music in my collection, but it took effort to listen to Ghosts all the way through.

/Fan of Reznor's since his debut

You are an upcoming artist though

Whose going to buy your cd if no one is there to promote it for you?

Play your ass off live and...?

BobtheFascist: Good for him. I'm sure the 10+ years of exposure under a major label had nothing to do with his success.

good point.

American Idol prove that mediocre artist benefit from promotion.

If Daughtry can sell more CD than your "top of the cream unknown indie person" then where's the nail?

Not some band that has benefited from 10 yrs of label exposure.

BobtheFascist: Good for him. I'm sure the 10+ years of exposure under a major label had nothing to do with his success.

Great. I'm sure the first 18 years you spent growing up at your parents had nothing to do with your life now. Therefore, you should always live with your parents.
/Or something.

Ghastly: /also makes money selling music on the internet

Screw music, go make some more comics.

Trent Reznor didn't do the soundtrack to Doom 3.

He was going to, but has too many other things going on. I think one of the guys who did some of the sound stuff for Tool ended up doing the soundtrack for Doom 3. The Nails' drummer did the theme song.

Here's what wikipedia says :

Trent Reznor of the band Nine Inch Nails, who is a fan of the Doom games, was set to compose the music and sound effects to Doom 3. This later fell through, and none of Trent Reznor's sound effects or music made the final product. However, his early sound effects are available for download on various web sites and are considered by many to be superior to the game's final sound effects. Eventually, Nine Inch Nails' drummer at the time, Chris Vrenna, did the game's theme song.[42] Numerous ogg files in the retail version of Doom 3 are still labeled under Reznor's name.

Ummmmm,Skinny Puppy hasn't done a good album since Last Rights and everything since has sucked. I repeat, Skinny Puppy hasn't released a good album since 1991.

Oh yeah, Ohgr sucks even moar. You wanna tooss stones at Puppy wannabes then look at Numb,Wumscut,and Holocaust for Humanity.

No,no
Not yours

Francis_smoking_bacon: Ummmmm,Skinny Puppy hasn't done a good album since Last Rights and everything since has sucked. I repeat, Skinny Puppy hasn't released a good album since 1991.


I completely agree. I am a huge Skinny Puppy fan, but that was indeed the last good album.

TheXerox: Good for him. Musicians like Prince, Radiohead, and now Reznor are starting to show the RIAA just how useless their old distribution schemes are.

Kudos, Trent. I may not care for some of your music, but making money while sticking it to the man is commendable regardless of your music.

His voice is almost as good as Weird Al's. Check out Al's covers of NIN material....

iammess:

There's a pack of files you can download that has some of Reznors sounds. You can swap them out with the in game sounds and play it though. Not all of them are fully flushed out but IMHO his sounds were 30x better then what's in the game.

The Fragile > The Downward Spiral > Broken > Ghosts > Year Zero > With Teeth > Pretty Hate Machine.

And I didn't like PHM at all. There's part of me that still hopes Down In It and Something I Can Never Have are part of some elaborate lyrical joke.

j_twelve: Ogre Nivek did it a thousand times better.

Unless you forgot a comma in there, his stage name is Nivek Ogre.

Trent ceased being a Skinny Puppy ripoff after PHM.

MasonL87
Have you even heard anything he's done since 1989?

Yeah, he did the soundtrack to Doom 3, and...uh....um......well, that's the last thing he did that I care about.

Chris Vrenna did doom 3. Trent did Quake.

attack of the: Have you even heard anything he's done since 1989?

You mean the KMFDM or Ministry knockoffs?

Was the first industrial band i liked quite awhile ago, then i listened to others, feel sorry for people who stay at the NiN stage.

Music industry is Broken, cannot be Fixed?

Why has it always been hip to whine about Trent Reznor "ripping off" industrial acts? NIN has always been much broader, musically, than Skinny Puppy. Comparisons to KMFDM hold slightly more water, as KMFDM is fairly melodic and conventionally structured, but NIN still covers a lot more sonic ground. I've always been a big fan of all of the above, but as a musician myself, I don't find them all that closely related - I certainly get much different things from listening to each. Oh and for christ's sake, the idea that these bands occupy rungs on some ladder that you climb through the "industrial scene" is revoltingly pretentious.

Year zero for this fragile pretty hate machine with teeth: Trent Reznor now accumulating $2 mil from internet sales. Broken music industry begins its downward spiral

FTFS

I am happy the guy is making money, but I found the free parts of Ghosts to be rather simplistic and self-indulgent.

Certainly didn't make me want to pay for the whole thing, but then again I am an old fart so there's that.

I hope Adrian Belew is seeing some of that money.

/NIN fan since hearing Broken in '93.
//Swings proudly from Reznor's nuts.

Francis_smoking_bacon: Ummmmm,Skinny Puppy hasn't done a good album since Last Rights and everything since has sucked. I repeat, Skinny Puppy hasn't released a good album since 1991.

Last Rights was released in 1992.

I think the last two albums are good, not up to their 1992 standard though. And it meant I got to see them live, though without Dwayne Goettel it just didn't seem quite right.

I thought the NIN connection may have been more due to Adrian Sherwood than Trent. Once Trent got involved in the sound after the first album all goodness and talent and reason to listen vanished.

Who the fark is Trent Reznor? No, forget it, I don't wannan know.

DumbAsAPoster: Why has it always been hip to whine about Trent Reznor "ripping off" industrial acts?

It's been diagnosed as music snob elitism. It's a terminal disease that never goes away. Symptoms include liking bands like Skinny Puppy and dismissing any band who might use similar methods as being derivative.

Take it for what it is. Meaningless whining. People ripped on Skinny Puppy back in the day for being Throbbing Gristle with more synthesizers (which they didn't know how to sequence until Tom Ellard taught them) and not being "industrial" then.

FYI, the Doom 3 soundtrack was nice, but I will say this: it was very derivative of other artists. I'm not just saying that to be a snob. I could play you songs that literally almost sound the same and were made many years before.

giarcgood: Francis_smoking_bacon: Ummmmm,Skinny Puppy hasn't done a good album since Last Rights and everything since has sucked. I repeat, Skinny Puppy hasn't released a good album since 1991.

Last Rights was released in 1992.

I think the last two albums are good, not up to their 1992 standard though. And it meant I got to see them live, though without Dwayne Goettel it just didn't seem quite right.

I thought the NIN connection may have been more due to Adrian Sherwood than Trent. Once Trent got involved in the sound after the first album all goodness and talent and reason to listen vanished.
You either really miss the golden age of Wax Trax records or just came out of a coma. ;)

The last 2 Skinny Puppy albums sounded like slightly better ohGr albums and that's not really a good thing either. Strangely enough, Ministry's last good album Psalm 69 which was released in 92 as well, the same year Wax-Trax filed bankruptcy and was bought by TVT who released Pretty Hate Machine.

Glitchwerks: DumbAsAPoster: Why has it always been hip to whine about Trent Reznor "ripping off" industrial acts?

It's been diagnosed as music snob elitism. It's a terminal disease that never goes away. Symptoms include liking bands like Skinny Puppy and dismissing any band who might use similar methods as being derivative.




Agreed

First they were ripping off CAN,and throbbing Gristle, then they were ripping off Cabaret Voltaire, then Skinny Puppy, then Ministry ripped off Killing Joke and then everybody ripped off Minsitry.

Even new Skinny Puppy is derivative of old Skinny Puppy at this point.

/Saw NIN open for Skinny Puppy on the VIVIsectVI tour
//good times,good times.

J. Frank Parnell

You mean the KMFDM or Ministry knockoffs?

Was the first industrial band i liked quite awhile ago, then i listened to others, feel sorry for people who stay at the NiN stage.

I don't like industrial. NIN isn't industrial. That's why these arguments are always so farking pointless. NIN hasn't been industrial since the last Bush was president.

Could we say that the music industry is trapped in a downward spiral?

attack of the:
I don't like industrial. NIN isn't industrial. That's why these arguments are always so farking pointless. NIN hasn't been industrial since the last Bush was president.

Industrial music was Throbbing Gristle, Clock DVA, Cabaret Voltaire and the term was coined by Monte Cazazza describing TG. When Front 242 came out, the war was waged that it wasn't industrial, etc. So they called it Electronic Body Music, i.e. EBM. Quite possibly the dumbest term ever, outside of "electronica."

And discussions like these are the dumbest ever, as everyone with a :Wumpscut: album thinks he's Johnny-industrial-goth and knows everything about music. The labels are merely descriptions and not a bible rule for how things should be organized in some ego tripping internet tough guy's little music collection and discussions. So you are right. Farking pointless.

I listened to "The Greater Wrong of the Right" and have permanently dismissed Skinny Puppy from ever doing anything relevant again.

Reznor has a rabid fanbase, that is IMO, his worst element. I can understand the resentment some people have towards him because a lot of his fans went from listening to the Backstreet Boys to hitting puberty and getting depression and then buying his albums.

Slapping them upside the head with a copy of a Skinny Puppy album isn't going to accomplish anything. I could slap SP fans upside the head with a T.A.G.C. album and act even more of a pompous arse.

Anyway, I always love music discussions on Fark. They're so random and pointless.

J. Frank Parnell: You mean the KMFDM or Ministry knockoffs?

I'll give you Ministry knock-offs (though I think there's more to it than that), but KMFDM? Funny how KMFDM barely picked up guitars until NIN started making inroads.


And even then, I give Trent credit for at least doing something different rather than putting out the same album every year like KMFDM seems to do now.

Is the last half of this thread from 1997?