aka "whaaaaa! he called out my candidate on running a racist campaign!"

Damn this is fun to watch.

Well, it's kind of unavoidable when that woman is a douche.

MSNBC has plenty of bigger douches than Olbermann. Maybe not a plethora, but plenty.

/Always seize any chance to use "plethora" in a sentence.

aam i really supposed to trust a website that calls itself Hot Air?

In all seriousness- Olberman isn't the O'Reilly of the Left. Want to know why? Because he ISN'T LYING.

Democrats, and liberals, are turning away from Clinton in droves. It's a bloodbath over there at DailyKOS, and even the Huffington Post is becoming a solid bloc of Obama supporters.
Bill Maher, who previously decried the growing hatred aimed at her, finally came out for Obama... when he does another Real Time this coming Friday, I expect him to really let loose.

If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern.

She ain't the first, and she becomes less viable with each passing day.

That's silly. One hosted a tabloid TV show and bullies guests in order to make himself look smart. The other read sports scores on cable TV and thinks he's Edwin R. Murrow because he says "sir" indignantly like he's having imaginary conversations with political figures. Clearly, these two are nothing alike.

They are going positively apeshiat at hillayis44.

I swear that place is an offshoot of free republic.

Such gems as:

"I WEAR MY FLAG LAPEL PIN ON MY UNIFORM AT WORK PLUS SOMETIMES ON MY CLOTHES OFFWORK. UNLIKE OBAMA'S SPIRITUAL MENTOR I LOVE AMERCA."

If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern

you are saying this as it's a bad thing

Don't Tase Me Bro: Democrats, and liberals, are turning away from Clinton in droves. It's a bloodbath over there at DailyKOS, and even the Huffington Post is becoming a solid bloc of Obama supporters.
Bill Maher, who previously decried the growing hatred aimed at her, finally came out for Obama... when he does another Real Time this coming Friday, I expect him to really let loose.

If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern.

It's not a bloodbath. The blogosphere and Kos are overwhelmingly pro-Obama. It's just a minority of whiny Clintonites who like to make noise. An annoying minority of hardcore believers is not a bloodbath.

Don't Tase Me Bro: who previously decried the growing hatred aimed at her

You can defeat her without demonizing her. Oh wait we are targeting voters that vote with its heart, not its head.

Carry on.


She is still going to be the next President.

SilentStrider: Because he ISN'T LYING.

Oh c'mon. The Clinton Mob is way too savvy to not leave themselves plausible deniability while letting their surrogates fling poo. Olberman can rant all he wants about the smoke, but he'll never find the gun.

Don't Tase Me Bro: If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern

Your second statement invalidates your first.

/ just sayin'

The Stealth Hippopotamus: She is still going to be the next President.

If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, myself and millions of others will not vote for her. As of a couple of months ago I would have, but not now. If she gets the nomination by stealing it, then John McCain is the 44th president. Even if she doesn't get it, she is causing enough damage to where McCain may win over Obama.

/shudder

GAT_00: Even if she doesn't get it, she is causing enough damage to where McCain may win over Obama.

It's March, we have 8 months till the general. Anything Hillary is doing to Obama now will be ancient history.

40below: Don't Tase Me Bro: If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern

Your second statement invalidates your first.

/ just sayin'

Not really. it's not an 'IF THEN ELSE' statement. think of it as an 'IF THEN' condition - if NOMINATED = TRUE, THEN 'NOT GOVERN' RC
Or something. I'm mixing and matching JCL and Perl (I think). I'm too sober to code it properly right now.

SilentStrider: Olberman isn't the O'Reilly of the Left. Want to know why? Because he ISN'T LYING.

Bears repeating.

GAT_00: If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, myself and millions of others will not vote for her. As of a couple of months ago I would have, but not now. If she gets the nomination by stealing it, then John McCain is the 44th president. Even if she doesn't get it, she is causing enough damage to where McCain may win over Obama.

/shudder

Here is the problem. We (Republicans) are not big fans of McCain. So what we have two candidates not like by the base. So we have to rely on the nutty far wings of both the parties to pick our president. By the very definitions of the parties Democrats are more prone to care what the government is doing. Republicans are more you leave me alone and I leave you alone. (Excluding the Religious Right that cares what and who you sleep with ) So I feel that more of the Left wing wingnuts are going to make it to the pole then right wing. So she wins. She does not care if a record number people vote or not. A McCain vs Clinton election would be the best chance that a 3rd party would ever have. But they still would be a spoiler. Our only hope is Nader.

You have no idea how sad that last sentence makes me.

Action Replay Nick: Well, it's kind of unavoidable when that woman is a douche.

THIS.

She deserved everything Olberman threw at her, and more.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Republicans are more you leave me alone and I leave you alone.

What color is the sky in your world?

I mean, seriously- where have you been the last 8 years? Republicans haven't been about leaving anyone alone since before the farking Nixon administration.

Last time she could be labeled "viable" was when she was in her mother's womb.

Cyclometh: I mean, seriously- where have you been the last 8 years? Republicans haven't been about leaving anyone alone since before the farking Nixon administration.

You see I am talking about the voters and you are talking about the elected officials. We have been sold that "Yeah we ain't perfect but we are better then them" for so long that the elected officials are so different that we can't really call them representative.

Can be said about both parties, just look at the polls.

oldebayer: MSNBC has plenty of bigger douches than Olbermann(...)

That'd be, basically, "the rest of them." MSNBC is the only news network as top-heavy with douchery as Fox.

NewportBarGuy: "I WEAR MY FLAG LAPEL PIN ON MY UNIFORM AT WORK PLUS SOMETIMES ON MY CLOTHES OFFWORK. UNLIKE OBAMA'S SPIRITUAL MENTOR I LOVE AMERCA."

am i alone in thinking if i saw some douchenozzle wearing a flag lapel pin walking around in their street clothes, i would have the uncontrollable urge to find the nearest blunt object to beat them with?

What is this, Opposite day? Bizzaro world?

The TV media should be appalled on how they're not covering this Hillary meltdown.

Sure, lets go 24/7 on some NY governor though.

/Facepalm isn't strong enough for this

I wasn't aware that Clinton was uncriticizable.

Don't Tase Me Bro: If nominated, she cannot win.

No.

She'd stomp McCain like a roach.

McCain has no knowledge of economics, wants to invade Iran, thinks the occupation of Iraq should go on indefinitely.

The US will not elect someone who'll continue the chimp's failures.

way to prove Hillary haters points, you stupid blogger.

That dude's never seen Chris Matthews then, who dosen't know his ass from a hole in the ground most of the time.

Keith calls people out on bullshiat. Sorry your candidate puts forth so much of it.

burndtdan: aka "whaaaaa! he called out my candidate on running a racist campaign!"

The beauty of running a Black man for president is that ANY comments made against him can instantly be called "Racist". You could not mention anything close to race and criticize his tax policy or his plan to nationalize all industry, and its instantly racist just because he is black.

The Obama gets to buddy up to Mugabe type rhetoricians like Wright, and his wife, and you can't say anything, he gets to have it both ways.


Oh, and if a Republican speaks at the birthday party of a man who did far less to incite racial hatred than Wright did, he has to resign, but if its a black Democrat, he gets to be president.

// grats to dems for being inconsistent.
////not like anyone expected consistency from you anyway.

shuff1967 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-03-16 06:54:36 PM
oldebayer: MSNBC has plenty of bigger douches than Olbermann(...)

That'd be, basically, "the rest of them." MSNBC is the only news network as top-heavy with douchery as Fox.


And yet it still 5 times better than any other news network.

oldebayer: MSNBC has plenty of bigger douches than Olbermann. Maybe not a plethora, but plenty.

/Always seize any chance to use "plethora" in a sentence.

I would say more of a myriad.

Also, I can see KO switching political sides in a heartbeat if the democrats start pulling the same shiat as the republicans. Everyone does the standard political maneuvering, but out and out lying. Well, that led to him to have a nice bias against Clinton. And he strikes me as someone who wouldn't let party get in the way of his deliciously worded epithets.

Keith is one of the most pompous gasbags I have ever seen on television.

Its a tough call as to which is bigger: his ego or his stupidity.

He is TRULY the Oreilly of the Left, only not as smart.

Keith go read some sports scores and leave the pontificating to people who know what they're talking about, like Chris Matthews and yeah, that was an insult,

40below: Don't Tase Me Bro: If nominated, she cannot win. If elected, she cannot govern

Your second statement invalidates your first.

I think it was a joke - a parody of Sherman's "if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."

Pillager Quote 2008-03-16 07:42:42 PM
Don't Tase Me Bro: If nominated, she cannot win.

No.

She'd stomp McCain like a roach.

McCain has no knowledge of economics, wants to invade Iran, thinks the occupation of Iraq should go on indefinitely.

The US will not elect someone who'll continue the chimp's failures.


Foolio, you don't think Hillary will just be Bush-lite as well?

She runs things just like Bush (loyalty over competenace), is just as much of a war hawk and is just as polarizing.



Also, no way in hell could she beat McCain in the general. In popular votes maybe, but not with electoral votes.

Oh goodie, another opportunity to post his special comment!

Finally, as promised, a special comment on the presidential campaign of the junior senator from New York. By way of necessary preface, President and Senator Clinton and the senator's mother and the senator's brother were of immeasurable support to me at the moments when these very commentaries were the focus of the most surprise, the most uncertainty and the most anger. My gratitude to them is unbiding.

Also, I am not here endorsing Senator Obama`s nomination, nor suggesting in it is inevitable. Thus I have fought with myself over whether or not to say anything. Events insist.

Senator, as it has reached its apex in their tone deaf, arrogant and insensitive reaction to the remarks of Geraldine Ferraro, your own advisers are slowly killing your chances to become president. Senator, their words and your own are now slowly killing the chances for any Democrat to become president. In your tepid response to this Ferraro disaster, you may sincerely think you disenthralling an enchanted media and righting an unfair advance bestowed on Senator Obama. You may think the matter has closed with Representative Ferraro's bitter, almost threatening resignation letter.

But, in fact, senator, you are now campaigning as if Barack Obama were the Democrat and you were the Republican. As Shakespeare wrote, senator, "that way madness lies." You have missed a critical opportunity to do what was right. No matter what Miss Ferraro now claims, no one took her comments out of context. She had made them on at least there separate occasions, then twice more on television this morning. Just hours ago, on "NBC Nightly News," she denied she had made the remark in an interview, only at a paid political speech.

In fact, the first time she spoke them was 10 days before that California newspaper published them, not in a speech, but in a radio interview. On February 26, quoting, "if Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this as a potential real problem for Hillary. If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he's in? Absolutely not."

The content was inescapable. Two minutes earlier, a member of Senator Clinton's finance committee, one of her Hill-Raisers had bemoaned the change in allegiance by super delegate John Lewis from Clinton to Obama and also the endorsement of Obama by Senator Dodd; "I look at these guys doing it," she had said, "and I have to tell you, it`s the guys sticking together."

A minute after the color remark, she was describing herself as having been chosen for the 1984 Democratic ticket purely as a woman politician, purely to make history. She was, in turn, making a blind accusation of sexism and dismissing Senator Obama`s candidacy as nothing more than some equal opportunity stunt.

The next day, she repeated her comments and a reporter from the newspaper in Torrence, California heard them; "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. If he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is and the country is caught up in the concept."

And when this despicable statement, ugly in its overtones, laughable in its week grip of the facts, and moronic in the historical context, when it floats outward from the Clinton campaign like a poison cloud, what do the advisers have their candidate do? Do they have Senator Clinton herself compare the remark to Al Campanis (ph) talking on "Nightline" on Jackie Robinson Day about how blacks lack the necessities to become baseball executives, while she points out that Barack Obama has not gotten his 1600 delegates as part of some kind of affirmative action plan?

Do they have Senator Clinton note that her own brief period in elected office is as irrelevant to the issue of judgment as is Senator Obama's, while she points out that FDR had served only six years as governor and state senator before he became president? Or that Teddy Roosevelt had four and a half years before the White House? Or that Woodrow Wilson had two years and six weeks?

Or Richard Nixon 14? And Calvin Coolidge 25?

Do these advisers have Senator Clinton invoke Samantha Power, gone by sunrise after she used the word monster, and have Senator Clinton say, this is how I police my campaign, and this is what I stand for, while she fires former Congresswoman Ferraro from any role in the campaign? No, somebody tells her that simply disagreeing with, then rejecting the remarks is sufficient. She should then call regrettable words that should make any Democrat retch.

And that she should then try to twist them, first into some pox on both your houses plea to stick to the issues, and then to let her campaign manager try to bend them beyond all recognition into Senator Obama's fault. And thus these advisers give Congresswoman Ferraro nearly a week in which to send Senator Clinton`s campaign back into the vocabulary of David Duke; "anytime anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says, let`s address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you`re accused of being racist, so you have to shut up. Racism works in two different directions. I really think they are attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

How's that? Apart from sounding exactly like Rush Limbaugh attacking the black football quarterback Donovan McNab, apart from sounding exactly like what Miss Ferraro said about another campaign nearly 20 years ago, quote, "President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jesse Jackson tough questions because of his race. Former Representative Geraldine A. Ferraro said Wednesday that because of his, quote, radical views, if Jesse Jackson were not black, he would not be in the race."

So apart from sounding like insidious racism that is at least two decades old, apart from rendering ridiculous Senator Clinton`s shell game about choosing Obama as vice president, apart from this evenings resignation letter; "I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign. The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you."

Apart from all that, well, it sounds as if those advisers wanted their campaign to be associated with those words, and the cheap, ignorant, vile racism that underlies every syllable of them, and that Geraldine Ferraro has just gone freelance.

Senator Clinton, that is not a campaign strategy. This is a suicide pact. This week alone, your so-called strategists have declared that Senator Obama has not yet crossed some commander in chief threshold, but he might still be your choice to be vice president, even though a quarter of
the previous 16 vice presidents have become commander in chief during the greatest kind of crisis this country can face, a midterm succession, but you only pick him if he crosses that threshold by the time of the convention.

But if he does cross that threshold by the time of the convention, he will only have done so sufficiently enough to become vice president, not president? Senator, if the serpentine logic of your so-called advisers were not bad enough, now thanks to Geraldine Ferraro and your campaigns initial refusal to break with her, and your new relationship with her, now more disturbing still with her claim that she can now speak for herself about her vision as Senator Obama as some kind of embodiment of a quota if she wishes.

If you were to seek Obama as a vice president, it would be to Miss Ferraro some called of social engineering gesture, some kind of racial make good. Do you not see, senator?

To Senator Clinton`s supporters, to her admirers, to her friends for whom she is first choice and to her friends for whom she is second choice, she is still letting herself be perceived as standing next to and standing by racial divisiveness and blindness. Worse yet, after what President Clinton said during the South Carolina primary, comparing the Obama and Jesse Jackson campaigns, a disturbing but only border line remark, after what some in the black community have perceived as a racial undertone to the 3:00 a.m. ad, a disturbing but only borderline interpretation, and after the moments hesitation in her own answer on "60 Minutes" about Obama's religion, a disturbing but only borderline vagueness -- after those precedents, there are those who see a pattern. False or true, they see it. After those precedents, there are those who see an intent. False or true, they see it. After those precedents, there are those that see the Clinton campaign`s anything but benign neglect of the Ferraro catastrophe, falsely or truly, as a desire to hear the kind of casual prejudice which still haunts the society voiced, and to not distance the campaign from it.

To not distance you from it, Senator. To not distance you from that which you, as a woman, and Senator Obama, as an African-American, should both know and feel with the deepest of personal pain, which you should both fight with all you have, which you should both ensure has no place in this contest ever.

This, Senator Clinton, is your campaign and it is your name. Grab the reigns back from whoever has led you to this precipice before it is too late. Voluntarily or inadvertently, you are still awash in this filth. Your only reaction has been to disagree, reject, to call it regrettable. Her only reaction has been to brand herself as the victim and resign from your committee and insist she will continue to speak. Unless, senator, you say something definitive, the former congresswoman is speaking with your
approval.

You must remedy this and you must reject and denounce Geraldine Ferraro. Good night and good luck.

Olbermann and his producers have GOT to be relishing these kind of comments.

Over the past several months, the "OMG Olburman is teh suxxorz" threads and comments have increased. A sure sign that he pisses off a bunch of the Right Wing nutjobs, a true sign of doing a good job.

I guess when you can't attack the message, you attack the messenger.

the first viable female candidate in U.S. history



/ Hilldog is unelectable ... she gets the nom, and McCain gets 1600 Pennsylvania Ave

Pillager: The US will not elect someone who'll continue the chimp's failures.

We already did once, in 2004.

Pillager:

She'd stomp McCain like a roach.



/ you underestimate the hate of the American populace towards Hilldog (massive supernova hate)
// no more Bushes, no more Clintons

You must remedy this and you must reject and denounce Geraldine Ferraro. Good night and good luck.

that speech should be engraved on a heroic, greek-revival-style marble monument to keith olbermann.

he is truly the king of political punditry, a shining hero in the classical sense, a demi-god whose purity of thought and nobleness of character leads us, the fallen and forlorn, to a shimmering promised land on the hill.

hetheeme: burndtdan: aka "whaaaaa! he called out my candidate on running a racist campaign!"

The beauty of running a Black man for president is that ANY comments made against him can instantly be called "Racist". You could not mention anything close to race and criticize his tax policy or his plan to nationalize all industry, and its instantly racist just because he is black.

The Obama gets to buddy up to Mugabe type rhetoricians like Wright, and his wife, and you can't say anything, he gets to have it both ways.


Oh, and if a Republican speaks at the birthday party of a man who did far less to incite racial hatred than Wright did, he has to resign, but if its a black Democrat, he gets to be president.

// grats to dems for being inconsistent.
////not like anyone expected consistency from you anyway.

so you're saying that claiming that south carolina victory doesn't count because jesse jackson won in 1984 isn't race baiting?

you're saying that claiming he's lucky to be black and wouldn't be where he is if he weren't riding on his race isn't?

you're saying that he's not a muslim (as far as i know) isn't?

i'm pretty sure none, not a single one, of the comments olbermann called her out on were related in any way to any of his policies. not even remotely.

/ lolz

Apparently this is a definition of "viable" I haven't heard before.

Third Day Mark: That dude's never seen Chris Matthews then, who dosen't know his ass from a hole in the ground most of the time.

Keith calls people out on bullshiat. Sorry your candidate puts forth so much of it.

i love watching chris matthews because it's like watching a red-faced angry drunk guy yelling at random things on the street.

LessO2: I guess when you can't attack the message, you attack the messenger.

and when you can't attack the messenger, you attack his pastor.

SilentStrider: aam i really supposed to trust a website that calls itself Hot Air?

In all seriousness- Olberman isn't the O'Reilly of the Left. Want to know why? Because he ISN'T LYING.

The fact that you believe Olberman without question but call O'Reilly a liar really tells us a lot about your credibility. Olberman wishes he was the MSNBC version of Bill... Then somebody might actually be watching his show.

hetheeme: You could not mention anything close to race and criticize his tax policy or his plan to nationalize all industry, and its instantly racist just because he is black.


Why would you be mentioning race in the first place?

Personally, I think that's what many people are trying to get back to, stick to the issues. You know, the issues? Can you tell me what issues the news has been talking about for the last week?

I do not count Ferraro, Wright as issues. Those have already been dealt with but they keep getting brought up over and over again.

Rezko has already been dealt with and proven to be a non-issue.

If people are throwing out the race card when others criticize Obama's "tax policy or his plan to nationalize all industry", I'll be right with you saying they're morons. Race and gender (ideally) has absolutely no bearing on a presidential race.

I say this with the utmost in respect, Clinton supporters:

If you are finding yourself more in agreement with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O' Reilly and Sean Hannity...you have obviously taken a very wrong turn along the way. Turn back now before it is too late.