something like this?

No, I think he represents their brand perfectly, along with the brand's legions of denialists.

Too bad he didn't have the balls to say this before he decided not to run for re-election.

Control_this: No, I think he represents their brand perfectly, along with the brand's legions of denialists.

he represents the neo-con brand wonderfully. ron paul represents the historical republican brand a lot more closely than bush ever could.

burndtdan: ron paul represents the historical republican brand a lot more closely than bush ever could.

Which is to say, he doesn't represent the current Republican Party at all. I'm shocked (SHOCKED!) that he didn't get the nomination.

FTFA: More cause for hope resides in the presidential campaign, which could provide a new storyline for Republicans down the ticket, said Newhouse, the pollster. Some national polls showed McCain pulling even in matchups with Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) by week's end, and Newhouse said McCain's appeal to independents and some Democrats could change the political dynamics in some swing districts.

"What you're seeing," he said, "is the impact the Democratic primary is having on voters at the national level. The longer this goes on, the better for our chances in November."

This is vitally important. The fact that Republicans are loosing their asses isn't really making the political news,now is it?

(Bush) just killed the Republican brand



/ oh-a-a-a oh ....

FTA: "It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

Why shouldn't America vote Republican in 2008? Americans wouldn't want to change horses in mid-Apocalypse, would they?

I hope McCain sticks with his 4-more-years platform and doesn't pull a double flip-flop.

Continue excavating in search of said excrement, Watson.

Congrats, subby, I loled.

burndtdan: Control_this: No, I think he represents their brand perfectly, along with the brand's legions of denialists.

he represents the neo-con brand wonderfully. ron paul represents the historical republican brand a lot more closely than bush ever could.

This. Of course, the modern Republican Party abandoned fiscal conservatism and states rights in favor of social regression and military hegemony, so it's not exactly a huge surprise that he wasn't nominated.

He's wrong. What killed the brand are the Republicans who dismissed legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration as Bush Derangement Syndrome. They transformed President Bush's failures into Republican failures in the minds of Independents who watched the Republican Party stand united behind policies that simply didn't work.

Davis is my congressman. He's still a douche regardless of this statement. Gerry Connolly (D), currently chairman of the Fairfax County board of supervisors, will probably replace him.

Nothing like passing the buck... The reason people are pissed at the Republican party is because morans like Davis rubber stamped EVERY retarded move Bush made over the last 7 years.

/What happened to the Party of Personal Responsibility and High Moral Values^TM??

The Why Not Guy: He's wrong. What killed the brand are the Republicans who dismissed legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration as Bush Derangement Syndrome. They transformed President Bush's failures into Republican failures in the minds of Independents who watched the Republican Party stand united behind policies that simply didn't work.

Bingo!

If the Republicans had been willing to impeach Bush in 2004, rather than support him for reelection, then perhaps today Republican wouldn't be a synonym for Evil.

George Bush killed the Republican party and Conservatism because he was a Compassionate Conservative. Conservatism can only work with little to no compassion.

FTFA: "She is a very bright girl who can handle someone like the governor,"

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You were a horrible parent.

thalidomide new and improved: FTFA: "She is a very bright girl who can handle someone like the governor,"

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You were a horrible parent.

I do believe the thread you want is up and to the left...

thalidomide new and improved: FTFA: "She is a very bright girl who can handle someone like the governor,"

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You were a horrible parent.


wrong thread, dude.

The Why Not Guy: He's wrong. What killed the brand are the Republicans who dismissed legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration as Bush Derangement Syndrome. They transformed President Bush's failures into Republican failures in the minds of Independents who watched the Republican Party stand united behind policies that simply didn't work.

THIS

Churchy LaFemme: /What happened to the Party of Personal Responsibility and High Moral ValuesTM??

After this election, the Ron Paul Republicans will take over and bring the sexy back. We may even have a newsletter.

Ron Paul might bring all kinds of things back to the Republican party, but I don't think sexy is one of them.

Please, Bush is a better Republican president than even St. Reagan.

Cut Taxes.
Aggressive Military.
Increased deficits.

These are all things Reagan did, but Reagan did some other things as well
- Raised Taxes 6 out of 8 years
- Talked to Evil Men (Russia)
- Retreated when the other guys fought back (Lebanon 1983)

Argh2: Ron Paul might bring all kinds of things back to the Republican party, but I don't think sexy is one of them.

You haven't seen his grand-daughters, have you?

So if Bush isn't a real Republican/Conservative, when was the last real Republican in the White House? Bush Sr and Reagan really aren't that different than Dubya; Dubya is just continuing what they started.

From what I can see, Bush is a very good example of what it is to be a modern day conservative.

Bush just exposed the Republican brand for what it is.

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You Bush were was a horrible parent president.

/fixed

I think that it is the style of politics that Nixon's CReEP (Committe to Re-elect the President) introduced that ruined the Republican brand.

They got their tactics from the CIA - from guys who plotted to poison Castro so his beard would fall out thus undermining Cuban Communism.

To goal is to win the election at all costs. Dirty tricks, extremist rhetoric, careful marketing and gaming the media are the main tactics. During the Nixon administration, Rove used to give seminars to Young Republicans on how to fish through dumpsters to find dirt on political opponents.

On the face of it, the tactic seems harmless. After all, you can fight dirty on the campaign trail and still do good in office. But it attracted the worst sort of people, who had no intention of doing good in office.

A couple friends of mine are pretty hardcore "Republicans", they will vote straight party ticket, think Conservatives can do no wrong, Liberals can do no right. To my amazement, neither had heard of Barry Goldwater. Today's Republicans (at least most of the ones I know) are not Conservatives, the neocons have overrun the party.

Befuddled: So if Bush isn't a real Republican/Conservative, when was the last real Republican in the White House? Bush Sr and Reagan really aren't that different than Dubya; Dubya is just continuing what they started.

From what I can see, Bush is a very good example of what it is to be a modern day conservative.

Look at Komplex's post. The last Republican in Bush's vein was NIXON. Bush espouses many of Reagan's concepts - destroying government bureaus that work (Reagan - mental health facilities, Bush - college funding) but he rejects logical ideas like diplomacy (taking down the Iron Curtain vs. putting up a new one). Bush has created more enemies for the U.S. than Reagan or Bush Sr ever did.

thalidomide new and improved: FTFA: "She is a very bright girl who can handle someone like the governor,"

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You were a horrible parent.

Bad subby, you FAIL at literature. Sherlock Holmes wasn't a professor, just a private detective and cokehead.

"To my amazement, neither had heard of Barry Goldwater. Today's Republicans (at least most of the ones I know) are not Conservatives, the neocons have overrun the party.
"

Conservatives don't follow politics or watch the news. They learn who to vote for at church. Their ignorance is everyone's downfall.

Komplex: Please, Bush is a better Republican president than even St. Reagan.

Cut Taxes.
Aggressive Military.
Increased deficits.

These are all things Reagan did, but Reagan did some other things as well
- Raised Taxes 6 out of 8 years
- Talked to Evil Men (Russia)
- Retreated when the other guys fought back (Lebanon 1983)

Dr.Zom: Bush just exposed the Republican brand for what it is.

Yep. QFT

cltbuilder: Churchy LaFemme: /What happened to the Party of Personal Responsibility and High Moral ValuesTM??

After this election, the Ron Paul Republicans will take over and bring the sexy back. We may even have a newsletter.

Will it be a racist newsletter written by ghostwriters?

chard: thalidomide new and improved: FTFA: "She is a very bright girl who can handle someone like the governor,"

Yep. she used her vagina, probably her anus and mouth, her hands, and probably all the other body parts she could fold over to create a warm orifice.

Sorry, mom, your little girl is a whore. Which means...

You were a horrible parent.
wrong thread, dude.

AND YET...

IT FITS THIS THREAD
(like the Gov's cock in that whore's moneymaker)

The Why Not Guy: He's wrong. What killed the brand are the Republicans who dismissed legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration as Bush Derangement Syndrome. They transformed President Bush's failures into Republican failures in the minds of Independents who watched the Republican Party stand united behind policies that simply didn't work.

No bells, no whistles, no excessive snark, and maybe a soupcon of regret.

You just earned a year, on me. Enjoy.

The problem with the Bush-era Republicans IMHO is that there is no dissention. Much like America in general during the period between 9/11 and realizing how screwed we are in Iraq, the Republicans have been trusting blindly in their infallible leader. These guys are clever enough politicians to know better and form a backup plan, to start subtlely promoting a Republican alternative to Bushism. Instead, they're just becoming jaded on him with the rest of us and only now trying to distance themselves because they know how harmful he can be to associated with in the current election. It's just too little too late.

They will bounce back eventually. It will take a few years, though.

Befuddled: So if Bush isn't a real Republican/Conservative, when was the last real Republican in the White House? Bush Sr and Reagan really aren't that different than Dubya; Dubya is just continuing what they started.

From what I can see, Bush is a very good example of what it is to be a modern day conservative.

Score. Bush II just isn't clever about it.

It's all been downhill since the Republicans took Nixon over Goldwater.

Wrong_Intentions: The problem with the Bush-era Republicans IMHO is that there is no dissention. Much like America in general during the period between 9/11 and realizing how screwed we are in Iraq, the Republicans have been trusting blindly in their infallible leader. These guys are clever enough politicians to know better and form a backup plan, to start subtlely promoting a Republican alternative to Bushism. Instead, they're just becoming jaded on him with the rest of us and only now trying to distance themselves because they know how harmful he can be to associated with in the current election. It's just too little too late.

They will bounce back eventually. It will take a few years, though.

It will take longer than that. All the intelligent, thoughtful people have left the Republican party. And they're not going to return to it as long as it stays so orthodox. But the only way dissent and debate can return is if intelligent people re-join the party. It's a vicious circle.

El_Dan: They will bounce back eventually. It will take a few years, though.

It will take longer than that.

Personally, I think it's up to the Dem's routine of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" routine to let the R's bounce back. Both of them doing are part of a vicious circle.

Komplex: Please, Bush is a better Republican president than even St. Reagan.

Cut Taxes.
Aggressive Military.
Increased deficits.

These are all things Reagan did, but Reagan did some other things as well
- Raised Taxes 6 out of 8 years
- Talked to Evil Men (Russia)
- Retreated when the other guys fought back (Lebanon 1983)

Don't forget that each has a penchant for "amnesty" for illegal immigrants, a habit of manufacturing convenient untruths, and a love of lofty, principled rhetoric not backed by action.

liquidlen: You just earned a year, on me. Enjoy.

You are stunningly generous. Thank you very much.

The Why Not Guy: You are stunningly generous. Thank you very much.

sweet! another buffalo TFer!

The Why Not Guy said:

He's wrong. What killed the brand are the Republicans who dismissed legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration as Bush Derangement Syndrome. They transformed President Bush's failures into Republican failures in the minds of Independents who watched the Republican Party stand united behind policies that simply didn't work.

You're right, but it's deeper than that.

For years, Fox News and other right-wing mouthpieces have been calling anyone who disagrees with them on the slightest issue a "Liberal", and a "Leftist".... and have also praised the Republican Party as being "not Liberal at all".

So... if you oppose elective wars, Fox News has been there 24/7 to tell you that you're a Liberal.

If you oppose lying to get us into a war... Fox News has been there to condemn such "Liberal" thoughts.

If you think that sending our troops into battle without armor on their vehicles is a bad thing... then fox News has been there to say that criticism of non-armored vehicles was only something that "Liberals" would do.

And so on and so forth.

After a while... like say 7 years of ever-escalating bullshiat and assualts on the Constitution... everyone with a brain in their heads, is starting to realize that they have dozens of these "Liberal" opinions... and therefore, they are no longer wanted in the modern Republican Party.

So, who's left? The last 19% to 26% or so. The dregs at the bottom of the glass. The totally-slavish folks who will obey like dogs any command from their masters, and who will believe anything, no matter how rediculous, as long as it is told to them by a man on TV wearing a suit and a flag-pin on their lapel.

Heck... even conservatives don't want to have anything to do with the 19%ers.

That's why there are so many former Republicans talking about voting for Obama over McCain... because who the fark can respect a man who hugged the guy who spread rumors about his adopted child?

As bad as the 19%ers are... McCain is the lowly no-self-esteem guy *sucking up* to the 19%ers, and that is just pathetic.

Bush is everything Republicans claim to love: religious, militarily aggressive, pro-tax cuts (especially for the rich). All Republicans are finding out is that their ideas are stupid.