I love it - he just secured my vote

Thanks for clearing that up, Senator!

So Obama is the only non-flip flopper?

Self ownage.

The best kind.

I have no problem with a candidate changing his mind, if it's for the better.

Vote McCain for more of the same.

I love how he represents my views, even when I change my mind.

I love his gay marriage answer.

That.. but.. that.. um.. *dumb look*

I supported McCain in 2000, because I didn't want anything to do with Bush.

I cheered when he called it like he saw it with the fundies on the right.

Then he got swiftboated by Bush, and he turns around and starts fellating Bush to get back in his good graces. Then starts fellating the religious right to get back in their good graces.

That's when he lost me. The fundies should be on their knees in front of him, but he keeps asking "should I swallow, sir" to all the nutjobs.

just give him 11 more minutes...

PottyMcNugg: I love how he represents my views, even when I change my mind.

He covers both sides of the fence. What more could you want from a politician?

dervish16108: So Obama Ron Paul is the only non-flip flopper?

/had to

"That...um...that...um..."

maddogdelta: I supported McCain in 2000, because I didn't want anything to do with Bush.

I cheered when he called it like he saw it with the fundies on the right.

Then he got swiftboated by Bush, and he turns around and starts fellating Bush to get back in his good graces. Then starts fellating the religious right to get back in their good graces.

That's when he lost me. The fundies should be on their knees in front of him, but he keeps asking "should I swallow, sir" to all the nutjobs.

That.

How dare he?!? I believe all candidates should never change their opinion after 6 years. Once you believe something, never change your stance regardless of new info/time!!!

Ron Paul Revere: MyRandomName: How dare he?!? I believe all candidates should never change their opinion after 6 years. Once you believe something, never change your stance regardless of new info/time!!!

Yeah, nice try.

Except in the very first part, he was shown saying "the war will be easy," and then in video from just this past year or so, he tries to say "we never thought it was going to be easy." It's a glaring contradiction from what he said in the lead-up to the war.

Did you not watch the video or something?

umm... the war was pretty farking easy. The occupation has been difficult. The clips were juxtaposed regarding two different things.

This video is more telling.

Changing position on an issue because of new information or change of heart is a good thing. Changing position solely for political gains is a bad thing.
Is this concept that hard to understand? Isn't it fairly clear that when a politician changes his view right during a new campaign cycle and can't provide a rational explanation for the change that he is truly flip flopping?
Given my recent conversations with Average Joe American, the answers appears to be yes and a resounding no. I guess thinking and cynical analysis are too taxing.

MyRandomName: How dare he?!? I believe all candidates should never change their opinion after 6 years. Once you believe something, never change your stance regardless of new info/time!!!

Well they should say so, then. "I've changed my mind because of _______."

The problem is that they try to present it as if they've held the same belief all along, because what usually goes in that _______ is a purely political motivation.

And John McCain wins! He is the only candidate capable of defeating John McCain. Vote McCain, or you'll have four years of John McCain.

Ron Paul Revere: Or, for that matter, his switch in positions on the Confederate flag within 3 days. Can't explain that one away.

Or Gay Marriage in eleven minutes.

Ron Paul Revere: Or, for that matter, his switch in positions on the Confederate flag within 3 days. Can't explain that one away.

Considering that I don't consider positions on the flag to really be relevant to the presidency, why should I. Next are you going to show me how he used to love CoCo Crispies and now he doesn't?

In all honestly, anyone who has been in the public spotlight for multiple decades will have flip flops just like this video shows. I bet if someone wanted they could even make a 5 min clip of Obama doing the same.

Show some flip flops in actual policy which matters to a possible president and maybe you have something.

MyRandomName: I bet if someone wanted they could even make a 5 min clip of Obama doing the same.

No, they can't. If they could Hillary's campaign would have produced it already.

mistahtom: America can't afford another republican INCOMPETENT president. FTFY

FireZs: MyRandomName: I bet if someone wanted they could even make a 5 min clip of Obama doing the same.

No, they can't. If they could Hillary's campaign would have produced it already.

This.

dervish16108: So Obama is the only non-flip flopper?

Believe it or not, your holy savior B. Hussein Obama has flip flopped enough that he makes even John Kerry seem steadfast.
He has flipflopped about his support for Louis Farrakahn.
He has flipflopped about campaign contributions (Revko anyone?)
He has flipflopped about privately funded travel.
He has flipflopped about his lack of experience.
He has flipflopped about his religious views.
He has flipflopped about his support for attacking pakistan.
He has flipflopped about ending the war.
He has flipflopped about his support for Pastor Jeremiah Wright.
He has flipflopped about attacking Hillary on the campaign trail.
He has flipflopped about his drug use and school experiences.
He has flipflopped about his patriotism.
He has flipflopped about corruption.
He has flipflopped about damn near everything.
This was an issue that cost John Kerry and the democrats the election in 2004. Add his lack of patriotism and lack of experience to the mix (no one questioned John Kerry about those for even a second) and you have a guaranteed loss for the democrats against McCain in 2008.

Add his lack of patriotism

you sort of had a point and then you had to go and bury your post in a steaming pile of fail.

hillary4real: Believe it or not, your holy savior B. Hussein Obama has flip flopped enough that he makes even John Kerry seem steadfast.
He has flipflopped about his support for Louis Farrakahn.
He has flipflopped about campaign contributions (Revko anyone?)
He has flipflopped about privately funded travel.
He has flipflopped about his lack of experience.
He has flipflopped about his religious views.
He has flipflopped about his support for attacking pakistan.
He has flipflopped about ending the war.
He has flipflopped about his support for Pastor Jeremiah Wright.
He has flipflopped about attacking Hillary on the campaign trail.
He has flipflopped about his drug use and school experiences.
He has flipflopped about his patriotism.
He has flipflopped about corruption.
He has flipflopped about damn near everything.
This was an issue that cost John Kerry and the democrats the election in 2004. Add his lack of patriotism and lack of experience to the mix (no one questioned John Kerry about those for even a second) and you have a guaranteed loss for the democrats against McCain in 2008.

Believe it or not, your holy savior Hillary Clinton has flip flopped enough that hse makes even John Kerry seem steadfast.
She has flipflopped about her "rejecting and denouncing" Louis Farrakahn.
She has flipflopped about campaign contributions (Norman Hsu anyone?)
She has flipflopped about privately funded travel.
She has flipflopped about her so-called experience.
She has flipflopped about her religious views.
She has flipflopped about her support for invading Iraq.
She has flipflopped about ending the war.
She has flipflopped about her support for Pastor Jeremiah Wright.
She has flipflopped about attacking Obama on the campaign trail.
She has flipflopped about her drug use and school experiences.
She has flipflopped about her patriotism.
She has flipflopped about corruption.
She has flipflopped about damn near everything.
This was an issue that cost John Kerry and the democrats the election in 2004. Add her lack of patriotism and lies about experience to the mix (no one questioned John Kerry about those for even a second) and you have a guaranteed loss for the democrats against McCain in 2008.


See, I can do it too.

hillary4real:
He has flipflopped about damn near everything.


He HAS?? Oh he lost my vote, that flipflopper. Thanks for informing me.

/Hillary wants to ban alcohol.
//You heard it here, it must be true

hillary4real: He has flipflopped about his support for Louis Farrakahn.
He has flipflopped about campaign contributions (Revko anyone?)
He has flipflopped about privately funded travel.
He has flipflopped about his lack of experience.
He has flipflopped about his religious views.
He has flipflopped about his support for attacking pakistan.
He has flipflopped about ending the war.
He has flipflopped about his support for Pastor Jeremiah Wright.
He has flipflopped about attacking Hillary on the campaign trail.
He has flipflopped about his drug use and school experiences.
He has flipflopped about his patriotism.
He has flipflopped about corruption.
He has flipflopped about damn near everything.

I have a sneaking suspicion you don't know the meaning of the political term "flipflop", but I'm going to go ahead and humor you by asking for citations.

MyRandomName: How dare he?!? I believe all candidates should never change their opinion after 6 years. Once you believe something, never change your stance regardless of new info/time!!!

I works for all the morans who voted for Bush... twice.

IT, dammit, IT.

Unright: I have a sneaking suspicion you don't know the meaning of the political term "flipflop", but I'm going to go ahead and humor you by asking for citations.

He doesn't have any. They're pretty much all outright lies.

2004: Kerry isn't a flipflopper, he changed his mind. Its what smart people who acquire new information do.

2008: OMG MCCAIN IS A FLIPFLOPPER!

//McCain ain't the only one.

hillary4real: Believe it or not, your holy savior B. Hussein Obama has flip flopped enough that he makes even John Kerry seem steadfast.

OH MY GOD. His middle name is HUSSEIN?! Why didn't anyone tell me before?!?!

To be fair, Hillary's maiden name is Rodham. Rodham. Rodham. Ham isn't kosher.

Churchy LaFemme: MyRandomName: How dare he?!? I believe all candidates should never change their opinion after 6 years. Once you believe something, never change your stance regardless of new info/time!!!

I works for all the morans who voted for Bush... twice.

It couldn't be that John Kerry was simply a bad candidate now could it?

And since you may not be implying it, may as well say it. I didn't vote for Bush. Oh... and my fav candidate a year ago was a Democrat.

Just think the video was mildly retarded at best. Get something of substance to attack. And yes, I think this should hold true for all the candidates, even Obama. Tired of how the presidential run up turns into mudslinging and not a discussion of actual politics.

Hillary has easily the most baggage with such things as White water, questions regarding beef futures, etc. But the video simply had no substance to it.

MickCollins: 2004: Kerry isn't a flipflopper, he changed his mind. Its what smart people who acquire new information do.

2008: OMG MCCAIN IS A FLIPFLOPPER!

//McCain ain't the only one.

Actually Kerry was a flipflopper. They were trying to use triangulation and it backfired on them. It's politically motivated, just like McCain's flipflops are. It doesn't make McCain's flipflopping any better. If both sides flipflop then ok, we'll call it a wash, but the lack of flipflopping for purely political reasons should be given due credit as well.

maddogdelta
I supported McCain in 2000, because I didn't want anything to do with Bush.

I cheered when he called it like he saw it with the fundies on the right.

Then he got swiftboated by Bush, and he turns around and starts fellating Bush to get back in his good graces. Then starts fellating the religious right to get back in their good graces.

That's when he lost me. The fundies should be on their knees in front of him, but he keeps asking "should I swallow, sir" to all the nutjobs.

One of my secret hopes is that McCain knows exactly what he is doing. Telling the truth as he saw it got him smeared and marginalized. Now he's toeing the party line and saying whatever the base wants him to. If/when he gets the presidency his inauguration speech will be a scathing rebuke of the neoconservatives and religious right and he spends his term raising his own brand of moderately crazy old man havoc.

MickCollins: 2004: Kerry isn't a flipflopper, he changed his mind. Its what smart people who acquire new information do.

2008: OMG MCCAIN IS A FLIPFLOPPER!

//McCain ain't the only one.

I think you people are missing the irony.

I think I'll post one of those HILARIOUS pictures of flip-flops that morans were posting during the 2004 elections to mock Kerry. Remember how HILARIOUS that was?



McCain is a flip-flopper!! LOLHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

/Good times

hillary4real

If at first you don't succeed, blatantly lie, and continue lying someone is forced to accept your lies in order to argue them.

FireZs: He doesn't have any. They're pretty much all outright lies.

I know. But I figured I'd give the tr-..er.. genuine Hillary supporter some rope.

MyRandomName: Just think the video was mildly retarded at best. Get something of substance to attack. And yes, I think this should hold true for all the candidates, even Obama. Tired of how the presidential run up turns into mudslinging and not a discussion of actual politics.

McCain's flipflopping appears to be motivated by the fact that what is politically smart for him actually contradicts what he believes himself, and he's willing to betray his own beliefs for political gain. You might say that's just politics, but when there is a candidate that rejects that kind of politics and has a chance to win, that's a chance for us to punish the politicians who do operate in such a cynical way.

odinsposse: One of my secret hopes is that McCain knows exactly what he is doing. Telling the truth as he saw it got him smeared and marginalized. Now he's toeing the party line and saying whatever the base wants him to. If/when he gets the presidency his inauguration speech will be a scathing rebuke of the neoconservatives and religious right and he spends his term raising his own brand of moderately crazy old man havoc.

Not gonna happen, since he'll be worried about reelection if he does manage to claw his way into the white house.

maddogdelta: I supported McCain in 2000, because I didn't want anything to do with Bush.

I cheered when he called it like he saw it with the fundies on the right.

Then he got swiftboated by Bush, and he turns around and starts fellating Bush to get back in his good graces. Then starts fellating the religious right to get back in their good graces.

That's when he lost me. The fundies should be on their knees in front of him, but he keeps asking "should I swallow, sir" to all the nutjobs.

that about sums it up.

For the first time in many, many years, all three of the likely possible candidates for President of the United States is capable, smart, and (for a politician) respectable. What this means to me is that every time some unprincipled moron tries one of these smear tactics, that moron hurts his own candidate and, if he isn't an anonymous coward, his own credibility. This is the corrupt, dangerous underside of the American psyche, and should be condemned whenever and wherever it appears.

hillary4real: dervish16108: So Obama is the only non-flip flopper?

Believe it or not, your holy savior B. Hussein Obama has flip flopped enough that he makes even John Kerry seem steadfast.
He has flipflopped about his support for Louis Farrakahn.
He has flipflopped about campaign contributions (Revko anyone?)
He has flipflopped about privately funded travel.
He has flipflopped about his lack of experience.
He has flipflopped about his religious views.
He has flipflopped about his support for attacking pakistan.
He has flipflopped about ending the war.
He has flipflopped about his support for Pastor Jeremiah Wright.
He has flipflopped about attacking Hillary on the campaign trail.
He has flipflopped about his drug use and school experiences.
He has flipflopped about his patriotism.
He has flipflopped about corruption.
He has flipflopped about damn near everything.
This was an issue that cost John Kerry and the democrats the election in 2004. Add his lack of patriotism and lack of experience to the mix (no one questioned John Kerry about those for even a second) and you have a guaranteed loss for the democrats against McCain in 2008.

And you have a guaranteed shiatty america for the rest of our lives.

This country is going to hell.

Freedom is not free.

Calling McCain out on flip-flopping is not a smear tactic, it's called "payback".
When the GOP makes it a point to use "swift-boating" and calls of "flip-flopper" to demean not only opposing candidates, but their own too, they are wide open to calls of hypocrisy.

hillary4real:

Oh, look ... another paid hack.

Just so we're all clear: campaigns use university kids (like Hillary4real for their online war-rooms. Cuz they have lots of computer savvy, decent creativity, smart (but not so smart they're not rabidly partisan) and ... most important of all ... they come DIRT CHEAP.

I could name at least half a dozen "Farkers" who are being exploited for minimum while their bosses dine out on their work. And when it's all over, they'll get a nice auto-penned letter of thanks and a slap on the bum for their trouble.

Enjoy getting screwed by the campaign there, kiddo.

Meanwhile, try not to do your job so well that you seed the ground with salt so that when Obama wins ... and he will ... you won't have destroyed his electability.

Big picture, kiddo, big picture.

FireZs: Not gonna happen, since he'll be worried about reelection if he does manage to claw his way into the white house.

I doubt it. I honestly think McCain would only need 1 term. He's old already. Each year of presidency ages someone what, 2-3 years?

John McCain says he's fine with U.S. troops being in Iraq for another hundred years. No, make it a thousand. No, make it a million (212)

McCain: "I would have started Iraq war regardless of WMD" (159)

Did New Hampshire voters think McCain opposed the Iraq war? (40)

John McCain accuses Iraq resolution supporters of being intellectually dishonest (44)

McCain says Americans focusing too much on the violence in Iraq. He always has been a little more partial to the torture (47)

John McCain (R-esume builder) tells reporters that his visit to Iraq was proof that you could "walk freely" in Baghdad. Neglects to mention 100 American soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters and two Apache gunships overhead (153)

McCain: When I said things were getting better in Iraq, I actually meant it's still a farking disaster (54)

Sen. John McCain enters the Land of Make Believe and claims that he has been the biggest critic of the War in Iraq over the past 4 years (41)

John McCain doesn't think torture works. But John McCain himself broke under torture. Therefore it does work and the U.S. should keep doing it. (And thus, the circle of logic is complete) (428)

John McCain finds tough opponent for 2008... the 2000 version of John McCain (25)

....hell, thats just McCain and Iraq