Has he put down his thumbs and stopped grinning like a robotic asshole yet?

Was it "almost romantic" ?

Cool

Why, its so safe he had to sneak in unannounced!

Call me when Obama makes the trip.

spill_thrill: Why, its so safe he had to sneak in unannounced!

Unlike Ahmadinejad, who can arrive announced, in the open, while carried on an open palaquin.

spill_thrill: Why, its so safe he had to sneak in unannounced!

They only sneak until they get to the Green Zone. Then everything is fine.

In other words, THIS!

spill_thrill: Why, its so safe he had to sneak in unannounced!

I am jonesing for a Vault right now, god damn you.

/anyone wanna ship a case to Japan? Please?

spill_thrill: Why, its so safe he had to sneak in unannounced!

I see what you did there.

nobozo: Was it "almost romantic" ?

Ahh, i see you brought the still shot

So, he's strolling the markets of Baghdad with no security, his kids in tow and a sporty "USA!" t-shirt on, right? 'Cause Iraq's all safe, now. After all, HE said so!

Too bad he couldn't' he have visited Abu Grahib 3 years ago and had a word with the folks in charge of detaining POWs? Could have saved a lot of people a lot of hassle. Of course, if he had, then Karl Rove would have just had him labeled as "un-American" and "disloyal". But then again, maybe that would have prevented his cozying up to the Administration.

It's a shame he went from being a standard-bearer for common sense and decency to a Buscho lap dog in the space of just a few years.

OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.

OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

We wouldn't want that. They just might greet him as a liberator and snap photos of him in a nintendo outfit. Then his campaign will really be in the toilet.

Highroller48: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.

No, I'd just like him to meet the folks he proposes to leave high & dry.

Highroller48
OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.


I don't know about that, but if you're going to make judgments on whether or not it is improving? Wouldn't it be smart to go over there and find out for yourself? How would that be a bad idea? If anything it would show that he could be an independent guy not a party shrill.

// Like Obama and hopes he really is what he represents to be

OttoDog: Highroller48: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.

No, I'd just like him to meet the folks he proposes to leave high & dry. bring home from a misguided and failed war.

You're welcome.

OttoDog: Highroller48: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.

No, I'd just like him to meet the folks he proposes to leave high & dry.

It's their country and at some point they need to stand up and take responsibility for it.

Seabon: It's their country and at some point they need to stand up and take responsibility for it.

It's their country and the U.S. military has no business occupying it.

Here's a metaphor: Somebody breaks your arms and legs, gives you a concussion, shoots you a few times, and dumps you in an unfriendly neighborhood. Then he has the audacity to demand that you stand up and take responsibility for yourself.

OttoDog: No, I'd just like him to meet the folks he proposes to leave high & dry.

Okay, so you've shown you know nothing about his platform, and have no grasp of how a disengagement and phased withdrawal would be carried out. Good for you.

Highroller48: OttoDog: No, I'd just like him to meet the folks he proposes to leave high & dry.

Okay, so you've shown you know nothing about his platform, and have no grasp of how a disengagement surrender and phased withdrawal retreat would be carried out. Good for you.

Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Gee, for a moment there I just figgered you just wanted to hit up on Bama's o'le lady.

/please excuse my impure thoughts

Of course, you probably don't give a shiat.

OttoDog: Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

So stop starting wars we can't win. Do some research before toppling a dictator we funded.

Since you're posting Vietnam pics, do you have any of the cage McCain was in?

OttoDog: Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

Isn't that usually the inevitable outcome with unwarranted, poorly planned occupations of intentionally misunderstood and under researched sovereign nations?

thamike: OttoDog: Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

Isn't that usually the inevitable outcome with unwarranted, poorly planned occupations of intentionally misunderstood and under researched sovereign nations?


Public opinion and international opinion aren't the absolute compasses for a longterm strategically sound foreign policy you seem to think they are.
The U.S. didn't solve its foreign policy issues by letting Vietnam slide through the grates. It made every other nation with an axe to grind that much bolder, and we saw the Carter years follow, with significant setbacks in Nicaragua, Angola, Afghanistan, Iran, and elsewhere.
It took the Reagan years to reverse the downward trend in US power & influence that capitulation in Vietnam brought on.

OttoDog: thamike: OttoDog: Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

Isn't that usually the inevitable outcome with unwarranted, poorly planned occupations of intentionally misunderstood and under researched sovereign nations?


Public opinion and international opinion aren't the absolute compasses for a longterm strategically sound foreign policy you seem to think they are.
The U.S. didn't solve its foreign policy issues by letting Vietnam slide through the grates. It made every other nation with an axe to grind that much bolder, and we saw the Carter years follow, with significant setbacks in Nicaragua, Angola, Afghanistan, Iran, and elsewhere.
It took the Reagan years to reverse the downward trend in US power & influence that capitulation in Vietnam brought on.

Anyone have the Freeper pic handy?

Might be threadjack, but what are these troops going to do when they come back home? The economy is to shiat from the war they were fighting in. Do they remained employed by the military? Or does the market get flooded with unemployed, combat veterans?

So, McCain flew over there on the nation's dime, just so he can do a publicity stunt for the election.

But hey, whats a few more million on top of the $503,027,959,895 we have spent so far blowing up, then trying to fix that shiathole that Bush jumped in.

watch those dollars spin by (new window)

OttoDog: Always sounds good on paper, but usually turns out like this.

Perhaps, but frankly Americans DESERVE another moment like that for their support of Bush for 8 years. Iraqis, however, DON'T deserve it, so I hope it doesn't go that way.

It took the Reagan years to reverse guarantee the downward trend in US power & influence respectability and its sense of decency

FTFY. Reagan should have been hanged for what he did in Nicaragua. I can tell you from first-hand knowledge. Hinkley should have had a do-over.

Zalan: So, McCain flew over there on the nation's dime, just so he can do a publicity stunt for the election.

But hey, whats a few more million on top of the $503,027,959,895 we have spent so far blowing up, then trying to fix that shiathole that Bush jumped in.

watch those dollars spin by (new window)

That's rather sobering.

McWattisdead: Might be threadjack, but what are these troops going to do when they come back home? The economy is to shiat from the war they were fighting in. Do they remained employed by the military? Or does the market get flooded with unemployed, combat veterans?

From past experience, a business is supposed to hold the current position of the person who was deployed. May not be the exact same job when they return (I work in IT and they had to fill the DB admin position), but they are guaranteed the same pay and responsibilities.

/Could be wrong now. This was what the admin stated who went back to Iraq for a second time said.
//He looked like he was going to puke when he found out he had to go back. He said he knew he was going to die there.
///Left the job before he came back. I hope he's OK.

McCain's been spot on on the biggest failures of the Iraq situation, namely,

1> Disarming the militias,
2> Limiting Iranian interference, and
3> Boots on the ground to ensure both.

Nothing else will succeed. At throwing up our hands and saying,"Welp, yer on yer own!" and bailing will magnify the farkup factor tenfold. Yeah, the situation's no longer in a tailspin, but the US owes it to the troops who've already sacrificed themselves and the Iraqis who've been left in the shiat to do the full job.

Highroller48: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Yeah, because publicity clearly Obama's not qualified to lead if he won't do publicity stunts overseas.

OttoDog: Isn't that usually the inevitable outcome with unwarranted, poorly planned occupations of intentionally misunderstood and under researched sovereign nations?

One thing at a time. You want to take "inevitable" out of that? Fine. Now if you wish to answer the question, feel free to do so.

Ed Finnerty:
From past experience, a business is supposed to hold the current position of the person who was deployed. May not be the exact same job when they return (I work in IT and they had to fill the DB admin position), but they are guaranteed the same pay and responsibilities.

/Could be wrong now. This was what the admin stated who went back to Iraq for a second time said.
//He looked like he was going to puke when he found out he had to go back. He said he knew he was going to die there.
///Left the job before he came back. I hope he's OK.

Ah, so it's something like FMLA? I couldn't imagine going from being shot at to being a DBA.

OttoDog: McCain's been spot on on the biggest failures of the Iraq situation, namely,

1> Disarming the militias,
2> Limiting Iranian interference, and
3> Boots on the ground to ensure both.

Nothing else will succeed. At throwing up our hands and saying,"Welp, yer on yer own!" and bailing will magnify the farkup factor tenfold. Yeah, the situation's no longer in a tailspin, but the US owes it to the troops who've already sacrificed themselves and the Iraqis who've been left in the shiat to do the full job.


There will never be a mission accomplished moment. They will never complete the job. The real question is, how many lives are we going to throw away before the general population understands this?

Our leaders (And to a certain extent our media) have been proclaiming to the entirety of the world for the last several years "We are a Christian nation!". Our army, regardless of how our constitution is truly constructed, is seen as a Christian army.

The Muslims will never, under any circumstance, accept a Christian army on their homeland. The only way we could truly accomplish anything over there, would be contigent on two things;

1. Muslims convert to Christianity
2. Muslims renounce their faith and become Atheist

As much as I would like to see number 2 become a reality, I understand the lack of education and environment simply denies the possibility.

This administration is a disgrace.

McWattisdead: Ah, so it's something like FMLA? I couldn't imagine going from being shot at to being a DBA.

Me either. He was a real quite and bright guy.

He drove tanker trucks between cities. GAS tankers. He said on his first tour he had people shooting at the tank. He said this is how he would die.

The company had a party the day before he left. He never smiled. I just shook his hand. He looked like a man who knew he was going to die.

Still makes me sick. I really hope he made it back.

*quiet

(sorry)

OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.


Ring ring motherfarker

Shaggy_C: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.

Ring ring motherfarker

PWNED!

(Still say there are better ways to get the info needed than marching every elected representative into Baghdad airport on a sightseeing tour)

Thanks, ShaggyC.

FTFA you linked:

"This weekend in Baghdad, Illinois Senator Barack Obama says he is troubled by the thought that once U.S. forces start withdrawing from Iraq, civil war will follow.
'It is certainly a possibility. But what we can do is give those Iraqis who are interested in setting up a peaceful accommodation that space, that room and that time in order to accomplish that,' said Sen. Barack Obama."

Sounds like he's pro-Surge, after all.

"Chuck Goudie: But will it have been in vain though if there is civil war once we pull our military out?
Obama: 'Well I have not changed my basic view this was a poorly conceived mission from the start. One of the frustrations I have is the incredible execution by our military of carrying out flawed orders of the administration.'"

Did he answer the question? I don't think so, unless that's a "yes".

"Obama is reluctant to imply that U.S. losses will have been in vain, especially as he meets with soldiers from Illinois serving here in Baghdad. "

Shaggy_C: OttoDog: Call me when Obama makes the trip.


Ring ring motherfarker

Nicely played!

OttoDog: Thanks, ShaggyC.

What's the point of thanking him? You immediately went to work misinterpreting the whole thing.

OttoDog: Sounds like he's pro-Surge, after all.

As hard as it may be to believe, Barack HUSSEIN Obama does not hate the troops nor does he think that they have failed their job. Please, tell me what the mission is at this point. What exactly are we trying to accomplish?

McWattisdead: Might be threadjack, but what are these troops going to do when they come back home? The economy is to shiat from the war they were fighting in. Do they remained employed by the military? Or does the market get flooded with unemployed, combat veterans?

This seems strangely familiar.

OttoDog: Thanks, ShaggyC.

FTFA you linked:

"This weekend in Baghdad, Illinois Senator Barack Obama says he is troubled by the thought that once U.S. forces start withdrawing from Iraq, civil war will follow.
'It is certainly a possibility. But what we can do is give those Iraqis who are interested in setting up a peaceful accommodation that space, that room and that time in order to accomplish that,' said Sen. Barack Obama."

Sounds like he's pro-Surge, after all.

"Chuck Goudie: But will it have been in vain though if there is civil war once we pull our military out?
Obama: 'Well I have not changed my basic view this was a poorly conceived mission from the start. One of the frustrations I have is the incredible execution by our military of carrying out flawed orders of the administration.'"

Did he answer the question? I don't think so, unless that's a "yes".

"Obama is reluctant to imply that U.S. losses will have been in vain, especially as he meets with soldiers from Illinois serving here in Baghdad. "

PWNED. Shaggy just served you.

see politicians from america can walk around in iraq cause the surge worked, a few years late but it worked, but the liberal media is just hiding in their hotel rooms over there trying to convince us that its dangerous. they are just lying to advance their liberal agenda. i mean if john mccain can walk around without bodyguards, the iraqis got it good! anyone who has been to iraq knows its safer than NYC.