The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

Which, of course, is the same chill down the spine of the lockstep Democrats.

We need to avoid "the chill." The Chill is another half century practicing the delicate art of nationbuilding, in other words, continuing to get our asses whooped for policy we shouldn't have allowed our government to pursue in the first place.

Among other things, of course.

Boojum2k: The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

At least this week.

I can never keep track from one week to the other whether he's playing "maverick" or "Bush fellater".

No one with McCain's position on a woman's right to choose is a moderate, Boojum2k.

Sgygus: No one with McCain's position on a woman's right to choose is a moderate, Boojum2k.

I really appreciate your definition of "moderate". Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Gravel, and Kucinich may actually be moderates, as they all believe differently than McCain! But then, can I be "moderate" - because I don't give a shait one way or the other?

Now that we've found out that the definition of "moderate" only comes down to one issue, and in this election apparently one party, it puts my life in limbo. Being a Republican who considered himself a "moderate", I was weighing whether I was going to look at voting for McCain OR Obama in the general election. But I read other one-sided news rags like this one (The Nation) that are put out by the very same side, but they said Obama was a Muslim - which means he must be a terrorist! So McCain it is!

/ Plus Obama's preacher (who isn't a Muslim?, confusing ain't it) said they hate America so Obama must hate America too.

Well, McCain isn't perfect.

But on the other hand he didn't go to church weekly for the last twenty years with a nutcase preacher yelling at him.

/Can I have a fourth choice?

Sgygus: No one with McCain's position on a woman's right to choose is a moderate, Boojum2k.

Sounds pretty moderate to me.

McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson's disease. McCain concluded that abortion rights and anti-abortion activists should cooperate on issues of foster care and adoption. He had made his decision on abortion, he said, "after a lot of study, consultation, and a lot of prayer." He added, "I'd like to have less intensity on this issue."
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

McCain on Abortion (new window)

Boojum2k: The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

Which, of course, is the same chill down the spine of the lockstep Democrats.

There were whispers about the last two Presidents. One was a womanizer, the other was an idiot. We've been hearing McCain is a hothead for years because of his conduct in the Senate. When are people going to quit overlooking the obvious.

Who the heck is Senator Thad whatshisname? Seems desperate to be quoted on something.

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: I can never keep track from one week to the other whether he's playing "maverick" or "Bush fellater".

Like any other politician, it depends on what the polls tell him to say.

Descartes: Well, McCain isn't perfect.

But on the other hand he didn't go to church weekly for the last twenty years with a nutcase preacher yelling at him.

/Can I have a fourth choice?

A repeat, but still true:

McCain's military experience: being shot out of the sky and tortured in a bamboo cage for years on end.

Sounds like he qualifies for therapy, not Commander in Chief.


America, do you want a post-traumatic stress candidate with neo-conservative advisers as your President? Me neither.

There were whispers about the last two Presidents. One was a womanizer, the other was an idiot.

McCain is both.

A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of Bush.

McCain won't win.

"Bomb Iran", another century in Iraq, & he admits he has no understanding of economics.

The American people don't want another four years of George W Bush.

Slamguy: A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of Bush.

And a vote for Obama is a vote for Jimmy Carter and a vote for Clinton is a vote for Nixon.

/We're kind of screwed whichever way it plays out.

Descartes: Well, McCain isn't perfect.

But on the other hand he didn't go to church weekly for the last twenty years with a nutcase preacher yelling at him.

Thank goodness the Republican Party has shown time and time again it will not be influenced by nutcase preacher types.

Boojum2k: The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

Which, of course, is the same chill down the spine of the lockstep Democrats.

Yeah, a moderate warmonger that jokes about bombing Iran.

ChuckyV: Thank goodness the Republican Party has shown time and time again it will not be influenced by nutcase preacher types.

I'm sorry, but maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.

It's one thing to have supporters that are nutcases.
It's another thing totally to support a nutcase, as Obama does by going to the church of his choice. If Obama had a problem with the preaching there, he could have left but he never chose to. If you go to a church where David Dukes preaches, you might not be a racist, but you should change churches if you disagree with the message. Same goes for Obama.

Boojum2k: The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that Cochran snarfles up pork like Lindsay Lohan does cocaine, and McCain would put an end to that sweet little gravy train he and Lott and the rest of Mississippi's congressional delegation have going.

Fixed.

A vote for Obama or Clinton is a vote for Carter, Nixon, Pelosi, Murtha, Cochran, Stevens, Byrd, Rangel, Ted Kennedy and Icebox Bill Jefferson.

A vote for McCain is a vote for sweet, sweet gridlock.

Descartes: But on the other hand he didn't go to church weekly for the last twenty years with a nutcase preacher yelling at him.

True. But now he's scrambling as fast as he can to get endorsments from as many Fundie Xtian preachers as he can. So, is that any better?

Pillager: The American people don't want another four years of George W Bush.

That's what I thought back in 2004 too. Never underestimate the American electorate's ability to act against its own self interest.

LyleDAL: So, is that any better?

Yes. That's called politics.

The "Surge" McCain basically tied his candidacy to isn't succeeding according to its own overseer:

Iraqi leaders have failed to take advantage of a reduction in violence to make adequate progress toward resolving their political differences, Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday.

Petraeus, who is preparing to testify to Congress next month on the Iraq war, said in an interview that "no one" in the U.S. and Iraqi governments "feels that there has been sufficient progress by any means in the area of national reconciliation," or in the provision of basic public services.

Stay the course. McCain 2008!

And Jon Snow completes his transformation into the leftward version of Mighty-Afternoon-Hellbent-for-Delight, after already taking the mantle of the Bevets of AGW.

You know, I'm sure I've taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception - The McCain path to consistency.

This article surprises me and I wonder if it srays from the truth....

I have never seen Mccain saber rattle in the speeches I have heard from him.....

The Iran thing was just a brief joke/tounge n cheek riff during a speech....

I don't believe it was serious. at least I would give him the benifit of the doubt if that is all the evidence on the table.......

I believe he said Iran will have to be made to understand arming the insurgancy will not be acceptable to a Mccain Administration a resonable request in my opinion......

As far as this russian and United Nations buisness is concerned. I don't know how accurate it is. Mccain was onboard with bush snrs coalition style from the first desert storm War...

I even recall he went after bush jr critizing him for not adopting his fathers practice more in the way he conducted his Iraq war as well as not listening to the advice of bringing more troops........

The Russia thing also seems kinds hard to swallow because I think Mccain wouldn't want to revitalize a soveit style govt through his actions and singlehandedly undermine what he believes to be the republicans biggest victory to date.......

The cia deal makes a bit more sense alot of poloticians are dissapointed in the bad intelligence they took action on and feel the agency needs to be rejuvinated to become effective in todays world........

If you need evidence of Mccains moderate leanings just look to his position of normalizing realtions with Vietnam......

You have to say thats a resonable position for ecspecially for a vet of that war to boot.......

I dunno take this article with a grain of salt is all I say......

Boojum2k: And Jon Snow completes his transformation into the leftward version of Mighty-Afternoon-Hellbent-for-Delight, after already taking the mantle of the Bevets of AGW.

Except for the fact he's factual, coherent and witty.

/Your profile is modest satire
//Or simple philistinism

Apparently the word "Maverick" is code for "bat shiat insane torture loving war monger"

Descartes: It's one thing to have supporters that are nutcases.
It's another thing totally to support a nutcase, as Obama does by going to the church of his choice.

No one has proved that the preacher is a 'nutcase' to my satisfaction.

I'm a dick about this, but whatever McCain's tendencies are is irrelevant: The man's too old. I'm seeing my parents and in-laws getting weird, slightly senile and goofy. They're McCain's age too, and are/were brilliant just a few years ago.

/anecdotes
//ignore them

Jennifer: This article surprises me and I wonder if it srays from the truth....

I have never seen Mccain saber rattle in the speeches I have heard from him.....

The Iran thing was just a brief joke/tounge n cheek riff during a speech....

I don't believe it was serious. at least I would give him the benifit of the doubt if that is all the evidence on the table.......

I believe he said Iran will have to be made to understand arming the insurgancy will not be acceptable to a Mccain Administration a resonable request in my opinion......

As far as this russian and United Nations buisness is concerned. I don't know how accurate it is. Mccain was onboard with bush snrs coalition style from the first desert storm War...

I even recall he went after bush jr critizing him for not adopting his fathers practice more in the way he conducted his Iraq war as well as not listening to the advice of bringing more troops........

The Russia thing also seems kinds hard to swallow because I think Mccain wouldn't want to revitalize a soveit style govt through his actions and singlehandedly undermine what he believes to be the republicans biggest victory to date.......

The cia deal makes a bit more sense alot of poloticians are dissapointed in the bad intelligence they took action on and feel the agency needs to be rejuvinated to become effective in todays world........

If you need evidence of Mccains moderate leanings just look to his position of normalizing realtions with Vietnam......

You have to say thats a resonable position for ecspecially for a vet of that war to boot.......

I dunno take this article with a grain of salt is all I say......


One of the saddest things I've read/seen politically, is watching McCain pander to the farking talk show conservatives. After years of being the maverick, telling the truth and bucking the establishment....well it's been quite hard to watch.

Take the Bush tax cuts and his quotes:

"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief."--John McCain, May 2001

He voted against those very tax cuts 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005. The other day on some 2 minute of hate style talk show, he stated he was going to make those tax cuts permanent as they personified America economic policy. Why John? After all these years....why ruin your legacy by bending over now?

/Sad

LyleDAL: Pillager: The American people don't want another four years of George W Bush.

That's what I thought back in 2004 too. Never underestimate the American electorate's ability to act against its own self interest.

Kerry ran before most Americans saw Iraqnam for what it truly was.

Unwinnable.

If there is a solution to the war in Iraq, the Iraqi people will come up with it. The west will never be able to force their will on that region.

Boojum2k: And Jon Snow completes his transformation into the leftward version of Mighty-Afternoon-Hellbent-for-Delight, after already taking the mantle of the Bevets of AGW.

I realize that nuance is probably difficult for someone that equates bible-based rejection of science with science itself, but I was taking a jab at Senator McCain using his and Gen. Petraeus's own words. I actually supported McCain back in 2000, and would love to see that candidate emerge in this election. But his 2004-to-present actions and words have soured me on him, and this being an election, I feel like expressing my dissatisfaction.

Mull that over while I call you a Whambulance.

Jon Snow

I equate reproducible, falsifiable experimentation and analysis with science, and there's next to none of that in AGW. On the subject, you are a zealot much as Bevets is who ignores any contradictory information. Also, you took a jab at Petraeus by distorting his own words, so you never came near your target of McCain.

You can keep your whambulance, you're going to need it more.

mccain said he wanted us to stay in iraq for another 100 years.
bloody hell, it's just like that girlfriend last week who had given up and decided to "become one" with the toilet seat...for 2 years.

what the fark is wrong with that bozo?

Boojum2k
The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

You're criticizing Jon Snow's fact-laden and informative post when this was your contribution...?!? Get real, kid.

justoneznot: Boojum2k: The real cold chill he sends down people like Cochran's spine is that he is an actual moderate and not a lockstep Republican.

Which, of course, is the same chill down the spine of the lockstep Democrats.

Yeah, a moderate warmonger that jokes about bombing Iran.

What makes you think he was joking?

mrexcess: You're criticizing Jon Snow's fact-laden and informative post

No, I'm criticizing the one he made in this thread. I suppose Mighty-Leather-Afternoon-Dog has his supporters too, he usually posts smarmy pics, links with partisan distortions, and outright bile too.

The only difference between them is the color of the BS.

Boojum2k: Jon Snow

I equate reproducible, falsifiable experimentation and analysis with science, and there's next to none of that in AGW. On the subject, you are a zealot much as Bevets is who ignores any contradictory information. Also, you took a jab at Petraeus by distorting his own words, so you never came near your target of McCain.

You can keep your whambulance, you're going to need it more.


3/10

That was a very lame attempt to ignore Jon Snow's point about the failure of the surge.

I look forward to GOP's downward spiral in November. Hillary or Obama will have much fun with McCain in the debates...

Boojum2k: mrexcess: You're criticizing Jon Snow's fact-laden and informative post

No, I'm criticizing the one he made in this thread. I suppose Mighty-Leather-Afternoon-Dog has his supporters too, he usually posts smarmy pics, links with partisan distortions, and outright bile too.

The only difference between them is the color of the BS.

McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for decades, maybe a century.

Do you deny this or will you keep spinning with ad hominem attacks?

Pillager: Hillary or Obama will have much fun with McCain in the debates...

Obama is smart enough and charismatic enough that he could possibly carry a debate even while beaten over the head with comparitive experience, but Hillary? You knows debates aren't "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," she can't poll the audience or call up Bill to get the answer.

I used to like Hillary more, but her negatives far outweigh any possible positive from her. Either Obama or McCain would be a better choice, two sides of a coin that actually has some damn value for once.

Pillager: McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for decades, maybe a century.

Yeah, kinda like Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc etc. Or are you one of those who spins that into "100 years of war hurhurhurhur"

Suicidal Writer: He added, "I'd like to have less intensity on this issue."

Less intensity! Wouldn't that be nice, pookums?

Boojum2k
The only difference between them is the color of the BS.

The only thing this tells me is that you're blind to the important differences. Deliberate or not, you have my pity.

Boojum2k
Yeah, kinda like Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc etc.

See, this is what I really love. The GOP is all over calling Obama the bearer of false hopes, but simultaneously they want you to believe that all you have to do is elect John McCain and suddenly Iraq is going to be Germany, Japan, or South Korea.

My ass.

Boojum2k: And Jon Snow completes his transformation into the leftward version of Mighty-Afternoon-Hellbent-for-Delight, after already taking the mantle of the Bevets of AGW.

ROFL. Wow.. I just.. I don't even know how to respond to that.. I've seen some bad trolls before, but you take posting blatant horseshiat to an entirely new level. You win the prize.

blick

Your ignorance is showing. He didnt say he WANTED us to stay in Iraq for a hundred years. He wasnt even talking factual policy. He was responding to a question that asked if he would be willing to keep troops over there to stabilize the region even if it took 10 years and he responded "why not 100 years" His point being that we stuck our nose into the place and farked it up so we gotta stay and fix it.

an arguable position - we could just say fark em, but its hardly warmongering to say "we should fix our messes"

and as to the "bomb Iran" thing - well you guys who say you used to admire his maverick image are full of shiat. your hypocrites who turned on him as soon as he became electable.

Someone in here asked"what makes you think he was joking?" Well call me crazy but most politicians dont set their serious policy stances to music. Even the maverick ones.

blick: mccain said he wanted us to stay in iraq for another 100 years.
bloody hell, it's just like that girlfriend last week who had given up and decided to "become one" with the toilet seat...for 2 years.

what the fark is wrong with that bozo?

Bonehead. He said we may end up having a 'troop presence' in Iraq for a hundred years, much the same as our 65-year presence in GB, or 63-yr presence in Italy, Germany, Japan, etc.

You're either deliberately stupid, or accidentally so. The stupid part, unfortunately, isn't negotiable.

OttoDog: See my post of 2008-03-16 10:35:01 AM. The concept of an eternal troop presence in Iraq is so intolerable to the average Iraqi that it is too frightening to be laughable.

mrexcess: Boojum2k
The only difference between them is the color of the BS.

The only thing this tells me is that you're blind to the important differences. Deliberate or not, you have my pity.

Trust me, I pity you far more. You've been self-deluded into thinking there's any real difference between fanatics.