How about an ouroboros?

/disapointed in Colbert...

Truthy

wow, they REALLY improved the video. it didn't buffer once.

lol congressman fidel pol pot bin hitler. i had forgotten about that.

It's a schizophrenic party...supposedly representing the "working people" while taking massive funding from (and swearing fealty to) the world's most powerful megacorporations. At least the GOP doesn't try to hide the fact that they're just the political arm of Moloch.

The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open
their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?
Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unob
tainable dollars! Children screaming under the
stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men
weeping in the parks!
Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the
loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy
judger of men!
Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the
crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of
sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment!
Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose
blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers
are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo!
Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows!
Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long
streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories
dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose
smokestacks and antennae crown the cities!
Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch
whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch
whose poverty is the specter of genius!
...
Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs!
skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic
industries! spectral nations! invincible mad
houses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!
They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pave-
ments, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to
Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!

Being a Democrat is kind of like teaching a very slow child to ride a bike.

You keep your attention on it constantly, hoping against hope that it'll learn to ride that bike straight down the road after seeing it veer off into trees and hedges and mailboxes again and again. You see him bike faster and faster, wobbling less and less and you think maybe he learned it this time.

And then... "DUKAKIS!" And he crashes into a parked car.

hillary4real: The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

Yeah, when two candidates are neck-and-neck in a tight primary, it makes perfect sense to put one up on a pedestal while blaming the other for tearing down the party.

Either that or you're a troll, but given your username I'm guessing no.

hillary4real:The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama Billary continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama Billary doesn't give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

ftfy

Democrats. Is there anything they can't...fail at? That's why I admire the Republicans. Their hunger for power is much better coordinated.

hillary4real: If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

Obama is winning state after state, increasing his delegate lead, increasing his popular vote lead, and increasing his fundraising lead on a weekly basis. He's won 14 of the last 17 contests. He's picking up superdelegate endorsements at a 4-to-1 clip compared to Hillary.

By pretty much every measure, he's the choice of the Democratic party and voters. And you think he needs to "give up the fight"? I think you're a bit deluded about who is winning and who is losing.

You are right about one thing. The losing candidate does need to step down for the good of the Democratic Party, so that it can unify behind its nominee. We're all waiting for Hillary to accept math and reality and step down. Bill Clinton suggested she would step down if she didn't win Texas, but their campaign has failed to follow through on those words.

hillary4real: The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

What are you smoking?

Lee_Sharpe: hillary4real: The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

Yeah, when two candidates are neck-and-neck in a tight primary, it makes perfect sense to put one up on a pedestal while blaming the other for tearing down the party.

Either that or you're a troll, but given your username I'm guessing no.

Actually, he is a troll. Good try though.

I blame Nader. Or Obama's preacheer.

hillary4real: If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

Dude its going to be McCain by default anyway. Deep deep down do yall really think either candidate has a chance? All democrats had to do was put up a reasonable candidate this election and it would be handed to them on a platter by the voters. But nooo.. yall have to go ahead and but up hillary clinton of all people and the other option being the most liberal and inexperienced junior senator in office. Not to mention his Muslim background and affiliations. Its going to be REAL hard to sell that to the majority of the American people when they could easily choose a war veteran, solid Christian, and someone who is proven in office. I mean come on, ANYONE would have had a better shot than these two candidates. Rookie move yall, rookie move.

hillary4real: If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.

Um...Obama is ahead in the popular vote AND delegate count. Why should he quit when he's winning? Hillary lost 12 races in a row, and is barely hanging on. Meanwhile she's plagued by fundraising scandals and credibility issues galore. Pennsylvannia isn't looking like an easy win for her either, it'll be a difficult fight.

Hillary is clearly the loser in this race, with each passing race she falls ever further behind. If anyone should be stepping down, it's Hillary - not Obama.

Bloody William: Being a Democrat is kind of like teaching a very slow child to ride a bike.

You keep your attention on it constantly, hoping against hope that it'll learn to ride that bike straight down the road after seeing it veer off into trees and hedges and mailboxes again and again. You see him bike faster and faster, wobbling less and less and you think maybe he learned it this time.

And then... "DUKAKIS!" And he crashes into a parked car.

that just made my day.

Unright: /disapointed in Colbert

Because, as we all know, only Republicans should be the subject of satire. What if it actually caused someone to form opinions not based on fact?

The Republicans know how to win in POTUS races.

Is there really any chance a drunk, cokehead, military deserter could get two terms as President if they are a Democrat? Nah.

Is there any chance that a cheated Al Gore would just rolled over and quit if he were a Repub? The Repubs would have marched down Penn Ave with torches in their hands if Gore had taken the White House under the consequences Bush did.

They sold Grandpa Reagan as the Great Communicator when all he was just a guy reading a teleprompter. These days they worship him and try to portray him as a great thinker. He was an actor.

It really makes Bill Clinton's victories look all the more impressive. One would think that if you're a Dem trying to get elected you would listen to Bill Clinton a little bit, but many Dems claim to hate him now. That's real smart. Dump on the one Dem that has beat the Repubs.

Ross Perot, my ass. He took as many votes from Clinton as he did from Bush. I know union people that have voted Dem always that voted for Perot. Look how Clinton survived all the with hunts, too. If you want to beat Repubs you should listen to that guy.

barneyfifesbullet: under the consequences

Before the Dawn: How will that play out in Pennsylvannia? I don't know, you don't know - nobody knows. But one thing I do know is that it hurts Obama, possibly very badly... as it should.

I doubt it will affect him at all. Obama looks like he'll do very well in philly and pittsburg (both areas have large black populations that vote actively every election). Outside of those two cities, there ARE no democrats in Pennsylvannia. statistically speaking anyways. There are 3 whole democrats in my local area and I know all of them. Nice folks....badly outnumbered, but nice folks...

Bloody William: And then... "DUKAKIS!" And he crashes into a parked car.

Comedy gold. The next time I see a kid on a bike, I'm going to chase him around yelling "DUKAKIS!" until he crashes. It will be worth the jailtime.

Ron Paul Revere: Weaver95: Obama looks like he'll do very well in philly and pittsburg (both areas have large black populations that vote actively every election)

I think they're a very different type of black voter than, say, blacks in South Carolina or Mississippi.

/just sayin'

I'm sure they are...but make note of this: last week Ed Rendell (the governor and leader of the state democrat party) called a meeting of the ward leaders in philadelphia. He wanted them to vote to endorse hillary. After 4 and a half hours of preaching, threatening, pleading from him AND Bill Clinton (via conference call), the vote was split down the middle. End result? No offical party endorsement for Hillary.

Pennsylvannia is offically a free fire zone come primary day.

Obama has a way of making potential messes just go away with a nice turn of phrase. Comparing the preacher to "your crazy uncle who you love but says weird embarrassing stuff at the Thanksgiving table" seemed to work.

robsul82: Obama has a way of making potential messes just go away with a nice turn of phrase. Comparing the preacher to "your crazy uncle who you love but says weird embarrassing stuff at the Thanksgiving table" seemed to work.

That's because we all have beloved family members who are weird and embarrasing...but we tolerate their less palatable comments because they're part of the family. Is that wrong? No...but it's very human of us.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to see hillary release her tax returns, and I want to see Bill release the financial records concerning his presidential library. I suspect their using the library to launder money into Hillary's campaign.

Weaver95: robsul82: Obama has a way of making potential messes just go away with a nice turn of phrase. Comparing the preacher to "your crazy uncle who you love but says weird embarrassing stuff at the Thanksgiving table" seemed to work.

That's because we all have beloved family members who are weird and embarrasing...but we tolerate their less palatable comments because they're part of the family. Is that wrong? No...but it's very human of us.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to see hillary release her tax returns, and I want to see Bill release the financial records concerning his presidential library. I suspect their using the library to launder money into Hillary's campaign.

Well, I don't know exactly why they're being so secretive, but yeah. That matters a lot more than some preacher. And yeah, that's the key behind Obama's mastery of making messes go away - find a way to make it comparable to the voters and their lives. When I heard his explanation, I immediately flashed to my crazy uncle who says weird embarrassing things at the Thanksgiving table, and I bet most people did too.

The Field had an interesting post on the the issue of Obama's pastor: http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=893 (new window)

Basically their take was that it would help dispel the notion that Obama is a muslim, and they also mentioned that multiple religious groups are constantly in disagreement with their own priests.

robsul82: Well, I don't know exactly why they're being so secretive, but yeah. That matters a lot more than some preacher. And yeah, that's the key behind Obama's mastery of making messes go away - find a way to make it comparable to the voters and their lives.

I get the 'win at any cost' vibe from the Hillary campaign. No limits, nothing is beyond her, stab people in the back and go for broke seems to be her favorite campaign style. Obama seems to be above all that....or maybe it's just that he knew exactly how Hillary was gonna run her game and just prepared ahead of time.

I'll bet hillary will drag her feet on releasing those records. And Bill won't release anything about his library at all. I dunno if there's anything in there worth investigating or not, but they sure are acting guilty as hell about SOMETHING.

Ron Paul Revere: I believe that, should he become the nominee, Republican opposition groups will seize upon the video-taped comments and relentlessly link them inextricably together, regardless of the veracity.

So what? The vast majority of people will see it for what it is. And the Dems can turn around and show picture after picture of McCain and Bush together. THAT will have an impact.

The audio from that vid is already out there, and is being packaged up with the not-pledging-allegiance picture and the he's-a-muslim stuff in email forwards everywhere.

Several of my older family members and neighbors are always forwarding me stuff. Many of you probably know the types of things I'm talking about besides the political stuff.

Anyway, Obama is already in a deep hole on the email forwarding circuit. Yes, it does make a difference. First perceptions are difficult to change, and most older people vote.

Before the Dawn: Weaver95: Pennsylvannia isn't looking like an easy win for her either, it'll be a difficult fight.


No doubt, but you're forgetting something; "God Bless America" vs. "God Damn America".

How will that play out in Pennsylvannia? I don't know, you don't know - nobody knows. But one thing I do know is that it hurts Obama, possibly very badly... as it should.

Why should some of the opinions of Obama's pastor, which Obama doesn't agree with, affect anythying?

And why the huge farking double standard?!?

McCain gets endorsements from radical preachers who are anti-Catholic bigots? No big deal.

Huckabee ran for months and months, and we weren't even allowed to read or review any of the sermons that he himself gave, when he used to be a minister. That would somehow be not fair and out-of-bounds.

Not to mention the fact that anyone who raised any questions at all about Mitt Romney's Mormon religious affiliations was denounced all around.

I think all that's fine. A person's religion should be out-of-bounds. It's their own private matter. By why do all the other candidates get a pass on religious matters, but Obama gets a weeks worth of headlines for things he didn't even say and doesn't believe or agree with?

Weaver95: I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to see hillary release her tax returns, and I want to see Bill release the financial records concerning his presidential library. I suspect their using the library to launder money into Hillary's campaign.

I don't even care about that, truth be told. I just don't want another Captain Ahab at the helm of the ship of state. Obama doesn't have all of the answers and he's not the messiah, but he's sane. At this point, that's all I want out of a President.

hillary4real: The party is being torn apart by this battle.
We all know how it will end up, but, Obama continuing to battle on will have the same effect that Nader had in 2000 only magnified.
If Obama doesnt give up this fight soon we will definitely be looking at McCain as president this November.


Damn it Hilary4real... you were a funny and effective troll for awhile, but you are exposing your insincereity with comments like that.

Ron Paul Revere: Obama's wife saying "this is the first time I've been proud to be an American"

Don't be an asshole.

From the context of the interview, it's plainly obvious that she was talking about the political process and people's involvement in it. People can love their country but become cynical about politicals. The Obama campaign is reaching those people, and Michelle Obama was talking about how proud she was of people approaching and participating in the political process with optimism and enthusiasm.

Both Barack and Michelle have repeatedly said that they love America and owe everything, how far they have come, to this country. That their story wouldn't have been possible elsewhere.

The very last line of Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, is "My heart is filled with love for this country."

So go chew on that for a little while.

Comparing the preacher to "your crazy uncle who you love but says weird embarrassing stuff at the Thanksgiving table" seemed to work.

That's because we all have beloved family members who are weird and embarrasing...but we tolerate their less palatable comments because they're part of the family. Is that wrong? No...but it's very human of us.

"You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family."

Ron Paul Revere [TotalFark] Quote 2008-03-15 03:16:25 PM
Doc Daneeka: McCain gets endorsements from radical preachers who are anti-Catholic bigots? No big deal.

None of them were close personal friends, advisors, nor inspiration for his book and its title. They might as well be Siamese twins.


ACtually, a big double standard I saw ponited out is that on the Republican side we werne't allowed to see any of Hucakbee's sermons or even talk about his time as a pastor.... this despite the fact he was running as a christian candidate.


How come Obama's ex-pastor's comments are more relevant that Huckabee's OWN comments?

Likewise, no one was allowed to talk about Mitt Romney's religion or question what his church teaches without being branded as a a horrible un-american.

Mentat: Weaver95: I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to see hillary release her tax returns, and I want to see Bill release the financial records concerning his presidential library. I suspect their using the library to launder money into Hillary's campaign.

I don't even care about that, truth be told. I just don't want another Captain Ahab at the helm of the ship of state. Obama doesn't have all of the answers and he's not the messiah, but he's sane. At this point, that's all I want out of a President.

No, I really want to find out if Hillary and Bill are getting money from overseas sources. I think stuff like that is important.

We're sorry but this video is not available.

WTF?

Is it cause I'm Canadian?

Weaver95: robsul82: Obama has a way of making potential messes just go away with a nice turn of phrase. Comparing the preacher to "your crazy uncle who you love but says weird embarrassing stuff at the Thanksgiving table" seemed to work.

That's because we all have beloved family members who are weird and embarrasing...but we tolerate their less palatable comments because they're part of the family. Is that wrong? No...but it's very human of us.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to see hillary release her tax returns, and I want to see Bill release the financial records concerning his presidential library. I suspect their using the library to launder money into Hillary's campaign.

that's the biggest thing here, in my opinion. i can argue all day (and i probably will) about the wright thing, but in the end, his opponent stinks of criminal activity. we're supposed to care what his pastor said and turn a blind eye to that stuff?

whereisian: We're sorry but this video is not available.

WTF?

Is it cause I'm Canadian?

no, it was just a part of colbert platinum, and you must not be a platinum member (i don't think they let canadians into the platinum membership, so i guess in a way you're right)

^ btw i was kidding for the sticklers who will point out it wasn't part of colbert platinum

Weaver95: No, I really want to find out if Hillary and Bill are getting money from overseas sources. I think stuff like that is important.

I agree that's important and I don't want to minimize the importance of seeing her tax returns, but for me, her megalomania is the deciding factor in whether or not I'll vote for her. Money laundering would be a bonus.

burndtdan: (i don't think they let canadians into the platinum membership, so i guess in a way you're right)

They do, but only if you use American dollars. Of course, with the current exchange rates, Canadians still probably wouldn't qualify.

Before the Dawn: Bill Frist: How come Obama's ex-pastor's comments are more relevant that Huckabee's OWN comments?

Likewise, no one was allowed to talk about Mitt Romney's religion or question what his church teaches without being branded as a a horrible un-american.


That is absolutely hysterical.

Besides the fact that Huckabee and Romney aren't in the presidential race, their faith had been THE target of the left - in every conceivable way.


This is great. You can ridiuclue the 'fundie', Huckabee. You can mock and ridicule the mormon, Romney.

But don't you dare - don't you dare - question Obama's church.

Don't you DARE...

the only problem people had with huckabee's faith was when he said that he wanted to rewrite the constitution.

if obama said something like that, he'd be treated the same.

Besides, liberals have famously been calling for a complete re-write, from bottom to top, for decades.


Translation: "Why even try to be taken seriously? Maybe I can catch a few bored liberal farkers with this shiat anyway"

Before the Dawn: burndtdan, the notion of amending the US constitution isn't exactly a 'new thing'.

Besides, liberals have famously been calling for a complete re-write, from bottom to top, for decades. Perhaps should read up on this... seriously.

amending it, no.

starting again from scratch is a slightly different idea. also, i would ask you to cite examples of "liberals" calling for a rewrite.

Orobor0nwed!

Something I'd never thought I'd type.

TexasIsBetter: the other option being the most liberal and inexperienced junior senator in office. Not to mention his Muslim background and affiliations. Its going to be REAL hard to sell that to the majority of the American people when they could easily choose a war veteran, solid Christian, and someone who is proven in office. I mean come on, ANYONE would have had a better shot than these two candidates. Rookie move yall, rookie move.

Anybody who would not vote for Obama because of his "muslim background and affiliations", or vote for McCain because he's a "solid Christian" would not vote for a Democrat in a election, ever.

But hey, there's always the other 80% of the country that isn't made up of bigoted religious zealots.

Before the Dawn: (Laughing) Do a little research dude...

you're the one making the outlandish claim (laughing). why don't you back up your words.

/sources, or it didn't happen.