This is an exercise in just how low can you go baby!

That guy is a cancer to the world. Congrats on their smart and impressive decision.

This is Hugo Chavez in 10 years. Providing that he doesn't respect his term limits.

It's OK. Jimmy Carter will declare it a fair election.

oryx: It's OK. Jimmy Carter will declare it a fair election.

huh?

You white men won't allow Zimbabwe to succeed because you don't like our economic policy of seizing farmland and giving it to people who don't know anything about farming. This is why we need a leader like Mugabe, to fight the Western nations.

/at least he didn't decide to start a nuke program, like NK
//sad all around

cgraves67: This is Hugo Chavez in 10 years. Providing that he doesn't respect his term limits.

He'll leave office willingly, just to stick it to the American administration that says he's a petty tyrant and a dictator. Then, perhaps after a one- or two-term hiatus, his wife will run for the presidency, and she'll have tremendous support because so many people thought her husband's administration was a positive thing. But once she's elected, she'll have complete independence from her husband and govern without any of his influence or control. He certainly wouldn't have any position within her administration.

You heard it here first, everyone.

Robo Beat: But once she's elected, she'll have complete independence from her husband and govern without any of his influence or control.

Hillary?

How are those new farm owners working out ? Will Bono say we are not doing enough for them.

Erm, that was definitely the wrong thread. x.x

/curse the preview feature

At this rate we can all be billionaires with Zimbabwe Billionarie Dollar Bill.

/Past the 400 million dollar Gray Poupon, this cat burger needs a little somethin' somethin'.

"we will not allow" is the phrase of FREEDOM!
Don't cha know?
HEre's what Our Glorious LEader had to say in a time of crisis:
"Those in authority should take appropriate precautions to protect our citizens. But we will not allow this enemy to win the war by changing our way of life or restricting our freedoms."
* Remarks by the President In Photo Opportunity with the National Security Team, September 12, 2001
REALLY?
How's that economy and currency doin', Georgie boy?
Oh, right....I plum forgot....Iraq! They had everything to do with 9/11...money well spent!
Doofus.

or better yet:

"Nobody can threaten this country. Oh, they may be able to bomb buildings and obviously disrupt lives."
* Washington, D.C. (September 20, 2001)

But what can they do about Cal Basketball?

Remove all Republicans: Why doesn't the West actually HELP the people of Zimbabwe instead of just sitting around enacting sanctions all day on them? Even if Mugabe made a mistake in who he chose as farmers, that doesn't mean that everyone should just let the country go to hell.
Damned if you DAMNED if you don't. Mugabe didn't have to beat up the people who were running against him in the election. Mugabe didn't need to throw a birthday party for himself when his country is in dispear.

/see how easy that is?

Robert Mugabe was defeated once in a just & fair election, Then Jimmy Carter demanded new elections.

borg: Robert Mugabe was defeated once in a just & fair election, Then Jimmy Carter demanded new elections.

The more you know!

/thanks

borg: Robert Mugabe was defeated once in a just & fair election, Then Jimmy Carter demanded new elections.

How Tyranny Came to Zimbabwe
Jimmy Carter still has a lot to answer for (new window)

lolmao666: You farking bomb Irak but you don't bomb Mugabe? WTF?

The shrapnel from the bombs would add to their national wealth at this point.

Remove all Republicans:

Didn't we try sending all kinds of food and aid to Zimbabwe only to have Mugabe cease it or something? I thought I'd heard about that somewhere. If we could find a way to get around him to his people then great, but I'm pretty sure we've suspended aid becuase he's been stealing it from his people.

I may be wrong.

WWHD? What Would Hillary Do?

Remove all Republicans: just because Mugabe lost, that doesn't mean that the election was automatically fair and just. In 2000, we saw what a "fair and just" election looks like in this country.

Ohm look, another idiot Democrat. Hey dickbrain. It was the DEMOCRATS of Broward County that farked up your election. You people are so stupid, you can't even rig an election properly (except in Chicago, New York and Louisiana). Gawd, why don't you quit whining about that, even though you are wrong, and start concentrating on the excuses you are going to use when you lose the next election? Because you people are so stupid, you're going to blow this one too. You had this election wrapped up tighter than a 10 year old, and now Hillary is going to screw it all up for you. Count on it. She's going to bring in those Florida and Michigan delegates that you didn't want to count, show America what a really evil, crooked politician is, win steal your primary, and then no one is going to vote Democrat.

I fart in your general direction.

Remove all Republicans:

Everyone on the planet insults Bush. Very few sanctions. Modified food? Does the stuff that's selectively bred count?

Honestly, who pays you to strawman for them? FOX? Rush Limbaugh? Do you work for Bush directly or Hillary Clinton or what? What was the cost of your soul?

Remove all Republicans: I'm not sure what's your point. The fact that the president has shown a wanton disregard for his countrymen (boy, does that sound familiar) is not a reason not to help. If a woman has an abusive husband, you have be more willing to help, not just sit back and say "hey, you shouldn't have been with him in the first place!"

My point is it's easier said then done. They do NOT want the help of westerns (they = mugabe). Im sure as shiat the people do.

I'm willing to help anyone that ask for it. Westerns will get blamed for any wrong doing, any good things accomplished it will be Mugabe that takes credit(that does sound familiar).

/Did like how you compared Mugabe to a women who gets biatch slapped.

Remove all Republicans: We need to stop all GM foodstuff immediate, or we are of no help to them.

Right. We should change our ways because others are hurting themselves because of their OWN DECISION. That makes perfect sense.

This thread has been greatly derailed from some huge points.

TFA: Zimbabwe's police and army chiefs have said they will not allow Robert Mugabe to be defeated in this month's presidential election by opposition candidates they deride as "puppets" and "sell-outs" to Britain.

Is it so much better to have some moron who completely ruins your economy and ignores the people than someone who is (allegedly) a "puppet" of Britain? Oh, I get it, better a puppet from within than a puppet without.

The fact that they are brazen enough to announce this is evidence enough to know this guy needs to be gotten rid of. Next thing you know they are going to say there's no need for an election because they already know what they people want/need.

It's pretty sad that there are these banana republics where election fraud means total tards get made president, wreck the economy, and cause hyperinflation.

/wait, what?

Remember kids, dictators are a-ok so long as they sell us oil, lend us land for military bases, or give lip service to supporting American foreign policy.

Mugabe and Chavez are assholes, no question. However, they are no worse than a lot of other dictatorships that have Washington's blessing.

Look at countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, both run by dictatorships with Washington's blessing. Now, with a straight face, can you really tell me that these two countries are any better off than Zimbabwe or Venezuela in terms of human rights records?

Remove all Republicans: DoWhatNowToWhat: Damned if you DAMNED if you don't. Mugabe didn't have to beat up the people who were running against him in the election. Mugabe didn't need to throw a birthday party for himself when his country is in dispear.

/see how easy that is?

I'm not sure what's your point. The fact that the president has shown a wanton disregard for his countrymen (boy, does that sound familiar) is not a reason not to help. If a woman has an abusive husband, you have be more willing to help, not just sit back and say "hey, you shouldn't have been with him in the first place!"

What you may be missing is that Mugabe decides how aid is distributed, just as happens in most African dictatorships. And, guess what, the places that need it don't get it because they don't support Mugabe.

In the majority of the African famines, the starvation is a political tool to eliminate opposition and strike fear in to the population.

You can't just go in to ANY of these countries and start handing out food and medicine, because the government won't let you.

Why oh why do people refuse food, of all things, just because it is GM'd? Are they phenomenally stupid or, maybe, just maybe, it's another strain of protectionism. Remember, keep the people hungry and blame the evil other and maybe, just maybe, they won't notice the food and medicine turned away and/or sold to empower the ruling elite.

Beware of the voice of altruism, for it is only concerned with propagating and empowering itself.

/Has no one learned anything from the Great Leap Forward, Mussolini's failures, or the Great Society?

SharkTrager
What you may be missing is that Mugabe decides how aid is distributed, just as happens in most African dictatorships. And, guess what, the places that need it don't get it because they don't support Mugabe.

In the majority of the African famines, the starvation is a political tool to eliminate opposition and strike fear in to the population.

You can't just go in to ANY of these countries and start handing out food and medicine, because the government won't let you.

PJ O'Rourke's book All the Trouble in the World demonstrates this quite effectively. Another wonderful (miserable) example is Hussein under the sanction regime. And there is always the classic of Ethiopia in the 80s.

Remove all Republicans: Mugabe's the husband. The people of Zimbabwe are the woman. We need to ignore the desire to just attack the husband and work to help the woman.

Well now you are just empowering him aren't you. I don't really consider that a good analogy. Let us pick a better one.

Mugabe is the Captain of the Titanic, the passangers are the citizens of Zimbabwe. Mugabe has chosem to run full steam into the ice burgs and fill the biggest life boats with the least amount of people.

We can help, but you have to help yourself first. We can't keep on helping you out of the hole if you keep on throwing dirt in. He should re-distribute the land to people who know what to do with it, stop setting the price for food. Let the general elections run it's course. Then maybe someone can step in.

DoWhatNowToWhat

We can help, but you have to help yourself first. We can't keep on helping you out of the hole if you keep on throwing dirt in. He should re-distribute the land to people who know what to do with it, stop setting the price for food. Let the general elections run it's course. Then maybe someone can step in.

There is no reason for Mugabe to do this. He has succeeded in what he set out to do - place himself and his cronies in positions of perpetual power. Without a full-scale invasion by a western country (one which could drag South Africa in on Mugabe's behalf), the only hope for Zimbabwean people is to storm the Bastille, and the only chance that that would succeed is in the midst of a power struggle left by Mugabe's death.

So it's sort of like what the Democrats do to Nader, only with more force?

luidprand:
You really think South Africa would turn out for Mugabe? I was under the impression that SA treated the rest of the continent like an annoying hillbilly cousin.

themindiswatching: Robo Beat: But once she's elected, she'll have complete independence from her husband and govern without any of his influence or control.

Hillary?

Nothing gets past you.

"This must serve as warning to puppets. We will not allow any puppets to take charge," he the puppet said.

That's better.

Remove all Republicans: Suicidal Writer: So it's sort of like what the Democrats do to Nader, only with more force?

More like to Kucinich. Nader did that to himself.

After unsuccessfully trying to persuade Nader not to run again, Democratic operatives have been actively trying to keep him off the ballot in key states -- while their Republican counterparts have been working just as hard to get him on the ballot. (new window)

DoWhatNowToWhat: We can help, but you have to help yourself first. We can't keep on helping you out of the hole if you keep on throwing dirt in.

No, screw Zimbabwe. If leftists and isolationists want to get pissy about the US poking its nose into foreign affairs because of what goes wrong when we do, then they need an object lesson in what happens when the US doesn't get involved and Zimbabwe is perfect for that.

Elsewhere, I'm still all for accidentally dropping a daisy-cutter on Bashir's palace in Khartoum. Oops.

Phoenix_M: borg: Robert Mugabe was defeated once in a just & fair election, Then Jimmy Carter demanded new elections.

How Tyranny Came to Zimbabwe
Jimmy Carter still has a lot to answer for (new window)

And there is your Nobel Peace Prize winner. *golfclap*

Robo Beat: cgraves67: This is Hugo Chavez in 10 years. Providing that he doesn't respect his term limits.

He'll leave office willingly, just to stick it to the American administration that says he's a petty tyrant and a dictator. Then, perhaps after a one- or two-term hiatus, his wife will run for the presidency, and she'll have tremendous support because so many people thought her husband's administration was a positive thing. But once she's elected, she'll have complete independence from her husband and govern without any of his influence or control. He certainly wouldn't have any position within her administration.

You heard it here first, everyone.



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Remove all Republicans: Suicidal Writer: After unsuccessfully trying to persuade Nader not to run again, Democratic operatives have been actively trying to keep him off the ballot in key states -- while their Republican counterparts have been working just as hard to get him on the ballot. (new window)

Well, then it's too bad he chose to become a tool of the Republicans. Hard to feel sorry him then.

It shows that the Republicans were fighting for citizens liberty to have a chance at the presidency. Granted, they were obviously doing it to help themselves, but they were, in reality, fighting for a political minority. That shows that the Democrats have even more to worry about, if Nader is such a threat, perhaps, the problem isn't Nader...

Remove all Republicans: Falcc: Modified food? Does the stuff that's selectively bred count?

Instead of making fun, why don't you read about serious problems with nations that need our food rejecting it. We need to stop all GM foodstuff immediate, or we are of no help to them. What is the point of being the world's superpower if the rest continues to reject our aid? We should be working to get allies on our side, not keep getting ourselves more and more isolated?

Also, now that prices have gone up, we're seeing all the GM companies take advantage of the situation to try to push their poison on everyone. The US is the only country with teh power to stop this and instead they are encouraging this crap.

So improving crop growth rates, drought resistance and pest resistance is totally evil? I try and not eat GM foods, but I am not a fanatic about it. Having GM food is better than starving to death. So if we send aid and they reject it, it's our fault? We must be so evil to try and stop them from starving. You know why there is no foreign investment in Zimbabwe? There is zero incentive. See also the economies of Venezuala, Bolivia, Cuba for more examples of the fallacy of redistibuting wealth. We cant help them until they help themselves.

They'd probably have a revolution, if they could afford to buy bullets. Mugabe will die in power, or be killed in power. He pays his army in real money, so they will remain loyal.

reddsharkk: Remove all Republicans: Falcc: Modified food? Does the stuff that's selectively bred count?

Instead of making fun, why don't you read about serious problems with nations that need our food rejecting it. We need to stop all GM foodstuff immediate, or we are of no help to them. What is the point of being the world's superpower if the rest continues to reject our aid? We should be working to get allies on our side, not keep getting ourselves more and more isolated?

Also, now that prices have gone up, we're seeing all the GM companies take advantage of the situation to try to push their poison on everyone. The US is the only country with teh power to stop this and instead they are encouraging this crap.

So improving crop growth rates, drought resistance and pest resistance is totally evil? I try and not eat GM foods, but I am not a fanatic about it. Having GM food is better than starving to death. So if we send aid and they reject it, it's our fault? We must be so evil to try and stop them from starving. You know why there is no foreign investment in Zimbabwe? There is zero incentive. See also the economies of Venezuala, Bolivia, Cuba for more examples of the fallacy of redistibuting wealth. We cant help them until they help themselves.

You know those shows and commercials that parody the dark ages by someone saying something smart and then everyone around them points at them shrieking "Witch, Witch!". GMO's is pretty much that. It's an upper level of understanding/technology that is shunned by the hollywood educated barbarian masses.

I want to see Remove all Republicans and Skookum go at it one of these threads. It'll be a fight for the ages.

Then again, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they were the same person.

Remove all Republicans: Tainted1: You know those shows and commercials that parody the dark ages by someone saying something smart and then everyone around them points at them shrieking "Witch, Witch!". GMO's is pretty much that. It's an upper level of understanding/technology that is shunned by the hollywood educated barbarian masses.

You guys can be insulted but it's obviously that our European allies are much more interested in protecting people from the possible imaginary ill effects rather than corporate profits.

These are the same hollywood educated folks who fall for the Dihydrogen Monoxide stunt all the time. Their lack of scientific understanding isn't insulting as it is dangerous as hell and helps kill thousands of starving people. These are the leftwing equivalents to the young earth/intelligent design nutbags.

Tainted1
These are the same hollywood educated folks who fall for the Dihydrogen Monoxide stunt all the time. Their lack of scientific understanding isn't insulting as it is dangerous as hell and helps kill thousands of starving people. These are the leftwing equivalents to the young earth/intelligent design nutbags.

THIS

I think RAR is saying that he eats only nuts, berries, and meat he hunts.

'Cause everything else is or has been GM'd.

/The difference between what is done now and what was done hundreds of years ago is degree - as in, we are dramatically restraining ourselves from the practices of the past.

Remove all Republicans

Your douchedome knows no bounds. Mugabe TAKES all the aid you put into the country, rerouting it from areas of the country that are starving because he is the one who engineered the starvation to punish regions for MDC support.

Agricultural policy is one of the reasons you see manufactured starvation as a tool of punishment in most socialist utopias - zimbabwe, the SU, north korea all readily come to mind. Only an idiot would trust the government to give them food. They made themselves dependant on a megalomaniac for food and now they starve. Woo hoo!

There's no point in sending it - the people who need it will never see it.

So what's next for you? Gonna make excuses for Kim Jong-il too? Oh, well i guess he isn't black, so he isn't a perpetual victim is he? I swear, when you are willing to extend this to robert mugabe you are beyond the pale.

You remind me of this douche bag

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7303819593374742000&q=mugabe+london+park &total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Is this really what they teach you in university?

On the bright side, i suppose we have 2 czarangelus's now!

someone tell me why no one has put one between his eyes?

Let's get some context on the GMO food thing.

It was Zambia that refused GM food aid, and they refused it for the very good reason that it came in whole seed version (ie, unground maize). If this was distributed, some people would inevitably use some of it to try and grow crops, or at a minim some of it would get into the wild and probably contaminate other maize crops. Zambia would then find it extremely difficult to sell their maize to EU nations due to the restrictions on GM food in the EU. (The EU buys a lot of stuff from Africa). In other words, it would screw up Zambia's export market in maize to one of their biggest target markets. Which might not seem like a big deal to you, but to Zambians, I imagine it's quite a big deal.

In any case, GM food is hardly a panacea for Africa's famines, which are either deliberately created (this is discussed earlier in the thread), and in any case, have got a lot to do with socioeconomic factors rather than Africa being an intrinsically shiatty place to grow stuff. Compare First World farm productivity with African farm productivity, and you'll see that plenty can be done without using GM to increase production.

And yes, Mugabe's a bastard.

Remove all Republicans

No he does not have a point at all. He's displacing blame to the west when it is so perfectly clear that mugabe is personally responsible for both the collapse of the agricultural industry, the collapse of the tourism industry and the collapse of price stability and the establishment of a police state apparatus designed by north korea, the destruction of the critical press, operate "drive-out-the-filth" and all the rest.

He is a megalomaniac. Since 1980 he has been hiding behind the defense of "the big bad west". Only a fool would continue to parrot the excuses that have led Zimbabwe to the abyss.

Face the facts. He's a sick monster, and it is his fault the country is a nation of the verge of starvation, although you owuld apperantly prefer to ignore my point about mugabe stealing the aid, wouldn't you? He has to feed his security forces somehow, doesn't he?

"let me be a hitler 10-fold"

Remove all Republicans: ManicParroT: It was Zambia that refused GM food aid

Um, read the first article I posted. It specifically mentions Zimbabwe and Tanzania in African, along with Taiwan.

It is not an isolated country. There is a larger concern among the African nations about GM food. If the US wants to be really helpful, the US needs to eliminate its production of GM and join the rest of the world in putting people's health above corporate profits.

It wasn't a concern in Africa untill a bunch of Euro and Amero Hippytard busybodies basically fed them a steaming pile about poison being introduced into the food. Basically, a bunch of leftnuts lied out their arses in order to provide a super pyric victory against modern technology at the costs of thousands starving to death.