nashBridges: Ah, the first chink asian-american in the armor. Evangelical churches are always a little crazy, anyway.

C'mon.. at least try to be a little politically correct.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: C'mon.. at least try to be a little politically correct.

You win a Klondike Bar.

Good show.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: nashBridges: Ah, the first chink asian-american in the armor. Evangelical churches are always a little crazy, anyway.

C'mon.. at least try to be a little politically correct.

Win.

I believe him.

I blindly followed my pastor for a decade until I heard him say Hell was proven by the existence of "White Dwarf Stars", then I realized he'd been talking out of his ass for years.

"Chinaman" is not the prefered nomenclature.

dude.

vincentpriceisdead: I blindly followed my pastor for a decade until I heard him say Hell was proven by the existence of "White Dwarf Stars", then I realized he'd been talking out of his ass for years.

What does hell have to do with white, short, famous people?

IrateShadow: What does hell have to do with white, short, famous people?

Ask Verne Troyer.

Eh, I'm kind of over white people myself. But not nearly as much as I'm over religion.

There's no hate like tax-exempt hate.

I'd like to know if the clips floating around are unusual for him or not.

I looked at the church website- it seems pretty level headed to me.

Regular church attendance is a sign of mental weakness.

If he's anything like my dad he was probably asleep for most of the sermons. Hell, my dad slept during church so often he didn't even know we were Catholicoontil my sister's confirmation.

Arthur Jumbles: Catholicoontil

WINNER

simsite9: Arthur Jumbles: Catholicoontil

WINNER

WTF!?!?!

/Oh...... stupid filter.....

Bill_Wick's_Friend: "Chinaman" is not the prefered nomenclature.

dude.



"Celestial," goddammit!

monty666: Regular church attendance is a sign of mental weakness.

Wow. I mean WOW. I thought I have seen/heard of/come in contact with some closed minds. But that one, again wow, that was just fantastic.

I haven't been in a church other than funerals and weddings for 15 years, but even I could not display such arrogance about it in the few simple words that you did.

Congrats.

The new litmus test in Presidential Politics: You are personally responsbile for everyone you ever knew and everything they ever said. So when is McCain going to quit asking right wing christian nutters for endorsements and "spiritual advise"?

My pastor is into use of mildly offensive humor from the pulpit, and has gotten into refusing to use pronouns for God most of the time. That doesn't mean I do or approve of these things -- I just know that he's a good guy regardless.

Farwell and Robertson on 9/11:

Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."

Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell added, "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."

If you are white and blame the US for 9/11. It is A-OK!!!!

Not everybody shows their true face over 15 or 20 years, only to lose t overnight and pull off the mask for the world to see.

At least he's not a white-hating, America-damning Muslim.

Ah, the coyote ugly relationship between politics and religion.

Weak minded fools make great tools, until you actually have to fix something.

EwoksSuck: The new litmus test in Presidential Politics: You are personally responsbile for everyone you ever knew and everything they ever said. So when is McCain going to quit asking right wing christian nutters for endorsements and "spiritual advise"?

Did McCain ever denounce Hagee for his comments about Jews deserving the Holocaust?

And by the way Pat Robertson and Falwell have never taken back their remarks that liberals caused 9/11 to occur and the ACLU should be hanged. They have just said they are sorry people are offended by it.

Hmm, subby has an agenda?

ozarkmatt:


Wow. I mean WOW. I thought I have seen/heard of/come in contact with some closed minds. But that one, again wow, that was just fantastic.

I haven't been in a church other than funerals and weddings for 15 years, but even I could not display such arrogance about it in the few simple words that you did.

I think he's wrong, but I don't see how that's arrogant.

EwoksSuck: The new litmus test in Presidential Politics: You are personally responsbile for everyone you ever knew and everything they ever said. So when is McCain going to quit asking right wing christian nutters for endorsements and "spiritual advise"?

Indeed. Why should the "librul" media make anyone aware about Senator McCain and Rev. Hagee?

/crickets chirping

nashBridges: Fart_Machine: Did McCain ever denounce Hagee for his comments about Jews deserving the Holocaust?

Did Obama ever denounce Jesse Jackson for calling New York "Hymietown"?

/do you see how stupid this game is?

I do...sort of. If you are going to ask Obama about Wright you have to ask McCain about Hagee. The difference is Obama said he doesn't agree with the radical parts of Wright's sermons. McCain, despite calling Hagee's type Agents of Intolerance 8 years ago (or something close) is now spooning him. It is only one step to Fred Phelps.

Corvus: And by the way Pat Robertson and Falwell have never taken back their remarks that liberals caused 9/11 to occur and the ACLU should be hanged.

Has Robertson even made any comments about his friendship with Charles "Eat Your Enemies" Taylor?

HowlingFrog: Corvus: And by the way Pat Robertson and Falwell have never taken back their remarks that liberals caused 9/11 to occur and the ACLU should be hanged.

Has Robertson even made any comments about his friendship with Charles "Eat Your Enemies" Taylor?

Has Obama?

Ha! And you all thought Mitt was freaky with his sacred underwear. At least he can say he's only doing it because it's the church he grew up in.

nashBridges: Fart_Machine: Did McCain ever denounce Hagee for his comments about Jews deserving the Holocaust?

Did Obama ever denounce Jesse Jackson for calling New York "Hymietown"?

/do you see how stupid this game is?

Yes, it is pretty stupid to connect Obama with comments made by his pastor which he has publically deounced. That's sort of the point.

nashBridges: chink in the armor

I've always wanted to find an asian dude at a Renaissance Faire, and ask him about this.

Honestly, who is going to be pushed away from Obama by this?

Sabyen91: Has Robertson even made any comments about his friendship with Charles "Eat Your Enemies" Taylor?

Has Obama?

Yep (pops).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Obama ever supporting Taylor. Pat Robertson does, and has referred to him as a "good christian". Although I suspect that support has more to do with gold and blood diamonds than anything else.

Before the Dawn: You panicked liberals are missing the central issue here. It isn't Pat Robertson or whoever. Throwing those names around isn't going to help you.

Remember Bush-senior's infamous phrase, 'Read my lips'? It was a lie and he was a one term president because of that lie. He will forever be remembered for 'Read my lips'.

The issue here is this: Obama says he has never heard these hateful comments from his self-described 'spiritual guide'. He claims to have never, ever heard them. He now says he would have quite the church if he knew.

If this is proven to be a lie, as it no doubt will be, he is done.

And how could you possibly prove it to be a lie. Don't see it happening.

..and yet, an atheist wouldn't stand a chance in non-existant Hell of getting elected in ths country, despite all the problems that wouldn't come with one.

/agnostic

Before the Dawn: Remember Bush-senior's infamous phrase, 'Read my lips'? It was a lie and he was a one term president because of that lie.

Yeah, that's it. It was the lie that did it. Nothing to do with a crappy economy, Ross Perot, or a charismatic southern Democrat. It was all "read my lips".

FTFA: Wright said his teaches are based on black liberation theology, which he summed up as "Africans speaking for themselves." Wake Forest University professor Terry Matthews, says in a lecture reprinted on the university's Web site that black liberation theology "seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle daily under the burden of white oppression."

Yeah. The FOX religion reporters apparently have to go to a website to learn about black liberation theology? And they get paid for this?



I know your readers don't read too many books, FOX, but that being the case, perhaps you could read the foundational work of black theology in the 20th century, and educate yourself on it for future reference?

HowlingFrog: Sabyen91: Has Robertson even made any comments about his friendship with Charles "Eat Your Enemies" Taylor?

Has Obama?

Yep (pops).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Obama ever supporting Taylor. Pat Robertson does, and has referred to him as a "good christian". Although I suspect that support has more to do with gold and blood diamonds than anything else.

Heh, yeah, he seems like a friend to Taylor. Whoever said that clearly didn't know about Obama's bill. Nice catch.

nashBridges: Ah, the first chink in the armor. Evangelical churches are always a little crazy, anyway.

The United Church of Christ is not a Evangelical denomination, nor does it have many Evangelicals in its ranks.

hitchking: Before the Dawn: Remember Bush-senior's infamous phrase, 'Read my lips'? It was a lie and he was a one term president because of that lie.

Yeah, that's it. It was the lie that did it. Nothing to do with a crappy economy, Ross Perot, or a charismatic southern Democrat. It was all "read my lips".

That is a fair comment. He was the incumbent though...The lie or the tax increase, one or the other, probably had a little to do with it. Reagan raised taxes a lot more but he lowered it first so he could BS for a second term.

Somacandra: nashBridges: Ah, the first chink in the armor. Evangelical churches are always a little crazy, anyway.

The United Church of Christ is not a Evangelical denomination, nor does it have many Evangelicals in its ranks.

Yeah, my friend's dad is a UCC minister. He is liberal, white and pretty quiet.

Think of it this way, over the past 20 years or so most of the major "spiritual advisors" that have been able to get on TV have turned out to be gay, pedophiles, adulterers, coke fiends, or a combination of several. Now I'm not going to say it wasn't obvious that Ted Haggard is gay, but how many of you knew he was snorting cocaine? Are you all to blame for it becuase you didn't know? I think not.

Before the Dawn: From TFA: "black liberation theology "seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle daily under the burden of white oppression."


Hmmm... so, Obama hasn't heard this yet?

That's very interesting.

You're a jackass.

Before the Dawn: You panicked liberals are missing the central issue here. It isn't Pat Robertson or whoever. Throwing those names around isn't going to help you.

Remember Bush-senior's infamous phrase, 'Read my lips'? It was a lie and he was a one term president because of that lie. He will forever be remembered for 'Read my lips'.

No, he was a one term President because of a failed economy.

The issue here is this: Obama says he has never heard these hateful comments from his self-described 'spiritual guide'. He claims to have never, ever heard them. He now says he would have quite the church if he knew.

If this is proven to be a lie, as it no doubt will be, he is done.

Actually his statement says he didn't become aware of the controversial comments until the start of his Presidential campaign and he didn't think it appropriate to leave because Wright was retiring anyway. This really isn't that new of a story here, it's just being rehashed for media controversy.

If this is true, then Obama is too stupid to be POTUS. If it is not true then Obama is just another liar. No change in this candidate. Just the sane old same old.

Anyone who thinks Reverend Wright's statements about America are controversial must admit their historical ignorance. Frederick Douglass, one of the most honored intellectual leaders in American history, said pretty much the same thing about America and especially July 4th. And as far as 9/11 and blowback goes, Benezir Bhutto said the same thing in the Washington Post op-ed pages before she died and no one jumped down her throat--in fact she was supported by the Bush Administration. Last time I checked, Senator Clinton didn't grow up with the existential double-consciousness of being both Black and American (new window) either, so maybe Rev. Wright has a point/.

In the end, I think its important to remember that Rev. Wright was a United States Marine before he became a Christian pastor and biblical scholar. As far as I am concerned, if you've put your ass on the line by serving, you can say any damn thing about America you want. You've earned it. Its sure as hell more than anyone at FOX has done.

Before the Dawn: Somacandra, how do you reconcile Obama's inspiration from the teachings of 'Black Liberation Theology' with his message of unity - in particular, his oft-repeated phrase, 'There isn't a white America, there isn't a black America'.

It's kind of a strange juxtaposition, isn't it?

Do you think that America will embrace 'Black Liberation Theology' and get on board?

How do you reconcile McCain teaching Apocalyptic Hageeesque theology and living past the next decade?

Before the Dawn: Somacandra, how do you reconcile Obama's inspiration from the teachings of 'Black Liberation Theology' with his message of unity - in particular, his oft-repeated phrase, 'There isn't a white America, there isn't a black America'.

It's kind of a strange juxtaposition, isn't it?

Do you think that America will embrace 'Black Liberation Theology' and get on board?

Do you believe everuthing you have ever heard? Do you subscribe to every belief of eveeryone you know? I think you should think about this harder. Just because he goes to a church where the reverned said something it doesn't necceasrily mean he believes and takes everything at face value. I'll reiterate it again you are a jackass and you are looking for a fight where there really isnt one.