wrong election.

Like Clinton and McCain have clean closets.

/will be shocked if a Presidential candidate is ever not linked to a corrupt friend

damageddude: Like Clinton and McCain have clean closets.


When Clinton says she has 'faced adversity' it's because her (and Bill's) past has been probed again and again. How will Obama fare against the accusations? That's the sole question remaining in the Democratic nomination.

Actually, he didn't reveal anything new. He was interviewed on Olbermann tonight (mostly to talk about the Rev. Wright stuff)... but he said this is the same information that has been out for years, however at the request of the Chicago Trib, he provided more details.

You know, that whole transparency thing that only he seems to embrace.

mferris: Actually, he didn't reveal anything new. He was interviewed on Olbermann tonight (mostly to talk about the Rev. Wright stuff)... but he said this is the same information that has been out for years, however at the request of the Chicago Trib, he provided more details.

You know, that whole transparency thing that only he seems to embrace.

burn him at the stake.


i'll admit, it's a rough week for him.

SangamonTaylor: damageddude: How will Obama fare against the accusations? That's the sole question remaining in the Democratic nomination.

If the most they can come up with is "my pastor is kinda nutsy" then I think he's ok.

i also gotta add though.

i want to puke watching these pundits talk about the story about rev. wright, as if it was something that obama did.

obama did not involve himself in a crime with this man. obama did not say these things. obama did not do anything but know a man with unpopular and sometimes crazy opinions.

I notice the article says that Rezko raised 250,000 not that he donated 250,000 over the course of ten years. I would guess that most of that money came from completely harmless sources. Besides, didn't Obama rid himself of all the money Rezko himself donated?

burndtdan: obama did not do anything but know a man with unpopular and sometimes crazy opinions.

Everyone is taking the "throw anything you can at the wall and see what sticks" mentality. Because the system as it is makes some people A Whole Lot Of Money. That Obama wants to tear it down scares the ever-loving shiat out of them, and every little piece of filth they throw makes me dig my heels in for him because it reminds me just how much positive change someone not totally entrenched in the system (a la Hillary) can bring.

vincentpriceisdead: burndtdan: obama did not do anything but know a man with unpopular and sometimes crazy opinions.

Everyone is taking the "throw anything you can at the wall and see what sticks" mentality. Because the system as it is makes some people A Whole Lot Of Money. That Obama wants to tear it down scares the ever-loving shiat out of them, and every little piece of filth they throw makes me dig my heels in for him because it reminds me just how much positive change someone not totally entrenched in the system (a la Hillary) can bring.

he needs to get back on message and make exactly that clear.

and i mean he needs to sit down in front of a camera, and just issue a statement saying that this digging desperately through 6 degrees of obama to hope to find something bad is exactly what he's against.

I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

Rezko, already under indictment by the time Obama announced his presidential run, has not contributed to or raised funds for that race.

Good thing they thought to include that at the end, lest anyone come away with an incorrect assumption.

muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

if there's a ray of sunshine, i'm not sure the clinton camp can go a week without doing something worse.

muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

Nah. People have proved nicely non-racist. I'm cheered.

burndtdan: if there's a ray of sunshine, i'm not sure the clinton camp can go a week without doing something worse.

She didn't this week. Abramoff has been giving her money.

I really hate how the press goes after this, but goes after *NONE* of the *TONS* of Clinton scandals. I guess because we already know the Clintons are corrupt, we don't need to talk about it?

What happened to the separation of church and state?
People are acting like Obama himself actually said this. Pathetic.

Between Obamas crazed pastor and Rezko - are democrats sure they wouldn't like to sink both their ships? I hear Hillary may yet win Pennsylvania. Lets really screw things up and pronounce them both unelectable and let Mccain walk away with it. Why not, America can withstand another 4 years of Bushonomics and unconstitutionality right? Right?

/stupid asshjoles.

SangamonTaylor: damageddude: Like Clinton and McCain have clean closets.


When Clinton says she has 'faced adversity' it's because her (and Bill's) past has been probed again and again. How will Obama fare against the accusations? That's the sole question remaining in the Democratic nomination.

Then why won't the Clinton's release their Income taxes? Afraid of a little scrutiny? Obama has released his.

SangamonTaylor: damageddude: Like Clinton and McCain have clean closets.


When Clinton says she has 'faced adversity' it's because her (and Bill's) past has been probed again and again. How will Obama fare against the accusations? That's the sole question remaining in the Democratic nomination.

And yet the Clintons are still hiding...everything. Try again.

DamnYankees: I really hate how the press goes after this, but goes after *NONE* of the *TONS* of Clinton scandals. I guess because we already know the Clintons are corrupt, we don't need to talk about it?

But ... but ... Obama gets only positive press! They're only mean to Hillary!

muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

A theology preaching liberation from oppression, as identified through the oppression and suffering of Jesus. Yep, that'll scare them.

/Dem Nigeros out ta get cha
//Lazy and shiftless
///Boogie boogie boogie

Two bad Obama stories in a row? His empire is crumbling?

Someone else put it rather nicely:

Obama doesn't get asked hard questions and Clinton doesn't answer hard questions.

It's been both easy and hard for both candidates. I spend a lot of time on CNN at work and this past week, they were pretty liberal with their lambasting of Clinton re the whole Ferrarro thing. Obama needs the heat turned up a bit to show that he can actually deal with it, because if he gets the nomination (as he should), it will get much, MUCH worse in the general election.

Side note: can't stand Clinton at all, what a total sleaze. And the one question I've been burning to know the answer to: what is Clinton counting as her 35 years of experience, and why have I not seen that come up in any debates or interviews? Have I not been paying attention?

It's a smart move to dump all this stuff now.

There is 5 weeks till the next primary which means that there is plenty of time for this and the flap with his pastor to get overanalyzed, and then he can tell all the people whining about his connection to Rezko to STFU, and RTFA.

And in those 5 weeks, I'm sure Hillary will do something to swing the spotlight back to her campaign before the vote actually happens.

Nemo's Brother: Two bad Obama stories in a row? His empire is crumbling?

Just wait til McCain is in the spotlight. Three words...Agents of Intolerance.

muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

I'm more inclined to say that if they actually understand liberation theology, they'll have less of a problem with Obama's church. A few Sundays ago, my sister was involved in a discussion about politics with some people after church, and someone said that he was concerned about Obama because Obama believed in liberation theology and liberation theology was all about hating white people. Once those who were part of the discussion explained that no, that's not what liberation theology is, and explained what exactly it means, he had much less of a problem with the whole thing.

I don't entirely agree with liberation theology, but it's emphasis on looking at the Bible through the lens of struggle against oppression is useful because the Bible says a heck of a lot more on the topic than the average American Christian realizes.

On the other hand, the Prosperity Gospel...might make a dent. McCain is going to have a lot to answer for.

Nemo's Brother: Two bad Obama stories in a row?

The guest moderators from Hillaryis44 are here again tonight.

Sabyen91: On the other hand, the Prosperity Gospel...might make a dent. McCain is going to have a lot to answer for.

The Prosperity folk are the ones that even most of the far-right think are nuts. They've turned the whole "blessed are the poor" thing on it's head.

Before the Dawn: rynthetyn, what you just said is a lie.

'Black liberation theology' teaches that whites are the enemy of blacks - i.e. whites are the oppressors/enemy.

This man's beliefs have helped shape Obama's political career. In fact, they probably inspired it since he was a 'community organizer' while a member of this congregation. That's very pertinent since this 'church' is a combination place of worship & political action center. Where's the IRS, BTW?

The two major figures in Obama's life & brief political career are Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright. Oh, there's also his wife who constantly speaks of America with thorough disgust.

You're a jackass.

Before the Dawn: rynthetyn, what you just said is a lie.

'Black liberation theology' teaches that whites are the enemy of blacks - i.e. whites are the oppressors/enemy.

This man's beliefs have helped shape Obama's political career. In fact, they probably inspired it since he was a 'community organizer' while a member of this congregation. That's very pertinent since this 'church' is a combination place of worship & political action center. Where's the IRS, BTW?

The two major figures in Obama's life & brief political career are Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright. Oh, there's also his wife who constantly speaks of America with thorough disgust.

Tsk. Tipped your hand too much with that one. Had me going right up until though.

6/10

Before the Dawn: rynthetyn, what you just said is a lie.

'Black liberation theology' teaches that whites are the enemy of blacks - i.e. whites are the oppressors/enemy.

This man's beliefs have helped shape Obama's political career. In fact, they probably inspired it since he was a 'community organizer' while a member of this congregation. That's very pertinent since this 'church' is a combination place of worship & political action center. Where's the IRS, BTW?

The two major figures in Obama's life & brief political career are Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright. Oh, there's also his wife who constantly speaks of America with thorough disgust.

No, what you said is the lie. Have you studied any liberation theology? My guess is no. You probably believe everything Hannity told you.

/However, it is true that whites have been oppressors
//Open a history book, see if slavery, Jim Crow, and systematic discrimination ring a bell

Before the Dawn: rynthetyn, what you just said is a lie.

'Black liberation theology' teaches that whites are the enemy of blacks - i.e. whites are the oppressors/enemy.

This man's beliefs have helped shape Obama's political career. In fact, they probably inspired it since he was a 'community organizer' while a member of this congregation. That's very pertinent since this 'church' is a combination place of worship & political action center. Where's the IRS, BTW?

The two major figures in Obama's life & brief political career are Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright. Oh, there's also his wife who constantly speaks of America with thorough disgust.

Anyone like this guy among your recent ancestors?



You have no clue at all.

/And your new Alt is fooling absolutely no one
//Except maybe glassa

Rezko
Crazy pastor
Subliminally forces people to utter racist remarks
Muslim
No experience
Red phone
Fake messiah
Magic Negro

Yep, still better than Hillary.

Is it "greenlight a douchebag" night on Fark, or what? This is the third pinheaded "Obama is tangentially connected with someone who may or may not have done something wrong" thread in the past few hours.

...you've got to be kidding me. This is considered controversial and race-baiting? Saying that Obama doesn't fit the typical mold for politicians? That the USA's foreign policy is responsible for terrorists being pissed off at America? I've heard of being thin skinned, but good farking damn people you take it to a whole other level.

/just saw the clips of what people are pissed at on Countdown
//talk about making a mountain out of a molehill

Well at least this latest kerfuffle about Obama's pastor might hush out the previous kerfuffle that he's a mooslim terrist in hiding.

Xixox: Well at least this latest kerfuffle about Obama's pastor might hush out the previous kerfuffle that he's a mooslim terrist in hiding.

since you used the word kerfluffle i'll have to assume you're a homosexual

From his churches website:

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land"

Not too bad, but kinda weird. I wonder if they are getting a USA tax break

So the press can't find anything on Obama, so they dig up dirt on his neighbor and his pastor? This is the most bullshiat, Mayberry election imaginable.

Wake me up when they flay his milkman.

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: On the other hand, the Prosperity Gospel...might make a dent. McCain is going to have a lot to answer for.

The Prosperity folk are the ones that even most of the far-right think are nuts. They've turned the whole "blessed are the poor" thing on it's head.

But that is what Hagee preaches. McCain will have to deal with that if he wants to keep his support.

seabass242: From his churches website:

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land"

Not too bad, but kinda weird. I wonder if they are getting a USA tax break

Hmm, if they were actually in Africa they wouldn't be subject to USA taxes and since they are a church they aren't subject to USA taxes. Either way...

deeproy: muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

A theology preaching liberation from oppression, as identified through the oppression and suffering of Jesus and redemption through marxism, christianity, and black supremecism. Yep, that'll scare them.

/Dem Nigeros out ta get cha
//Lazy and shiftless
///Boogie boogie boogie

FTFY

muckdog, you are afraid of a lot of things, aren't you?

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: On the other hand, the Prosperity Gospel...might make a dent. McCain is going to have a lot to answer for.

The Prosperity folk are the ones that even most of the far-right think are nuts. They've turned the whole "blessed are the poor" thing on it's head.

But that is what Hagee preaches. McCain will have to deal with that if he wants to keep his support.

I was agreeing with you. The Prosperity guys are so far out there that if this gets picked up and repeated, even the far-right is going to have a problem if McCain doesn't repudiate it.

Before the Dawn: Sabyen91: since they are a church they aren't subject to USA taxes.


It's a combo church/political action organization. Right now it's functioning as an Obama campaign center and therefore should be taxed.

IRS... hello?

That only counts if the minster/priest is white. I'm sure it is in the IRS regulations somewhere. Geez, don't farkers know anything?

Nemo's Brother: Two bad Obama stories in a row? His empire is crumbling?

Hillary called in a few favors from her friends in the media.

muck4doo: I think the story on his church and pastor is going to hurt him more than Rezko is. Especially as more people find out exactly what "Black Liberation Theology" actually is. This could sink him.

Only with the kind of people that listen to slander and baseless assertions. You know, the people that were ranting about he was a Muslim not too long ago..

You clearly either have no idea what a United Church of Christ is, or more likely, you're being deliberately dishonest to mislead those who genuinely don't know better.

Swift-boaters have been bringing up the "OMG OBAMA GOES TO A BLACK CHURCH!!1" story almost as long as the "OMG OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!!!' story, and now all the sudden it's suddenly a huge "scandal" that a retiring pastor that Obama has repeatedly stated disagreements with dared to claim that US foreign policy was responsible for the sentiment responsible for 9/11. You know, the truth.. The fact that you're going around spreading bullshiat about Obama belonging to a "black Marxist group" as you claimed in another thread over his involvement in this church while conveniently ignoring McCain's ties to a minister that claims Jews deserved the Holocaust and that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment against homosexuals casts some serious doubt on your objectivity..