his point about obama going down if he doesnt start fighting back is probably true. in any given week he's got two presidents and two senators attacking him from both sides. sticking to your guns is admirable, but it will probably cost him in the end.

Dan Brown's observations about Hillary are pretty dead on. Too bad the majority of Hillary supporters don't see that.

obama is in a precarious position. he doesn't want to revert to mudslinging, but he has to go on the offensive. if he doesn't do it right, he'll hurt himself.

As if I'd take political advice from the guy that wrote "Digital Fortress".

he should have stuck with his "Jesus liked to plow teh whores" theory.

I have to agree with all three of his predictions.

Obama is in the lead and there is little to suggest that he's going to lose that lead. He doesn't need to change anything.

flavor of the month: his point about obama going down if he doesnt start fighting back is probably true. in any given week he's got two presidents and two senators attacking him from both sides. sticking to your guns is admirable, but it will probably cost him in the end.

He does not have to attack her to do this. What I want to see is a snarky Obama that throws what she says back in her face. I would not like it if he started bringing up Guy Tucker unless Clinton mentions Rezko again. I would like to see him kill her with the Abramhoff thing as soon as the OMG his preacher gives a black message to his black congregation mess clears up.

burndtdan: obama is in a precarious position. he doesn't want to revert to mudslinging, but he has to go on the offensive. if he doesn't do it right, he'll hurt himself.

You can go on the offensive without wallowing in the mud. How? Keep hitting the "she just doesn't get it" meme.

"People are sick of having some arrogant political prima donna shoving their misbegotten agenda down the public's throat. We've had enough of that for 7 years now. 'Change' doesn't mean trading whose agenda agenda we get shoved down our throats! It means changing the climate in Washington to accept the will of the People!

She's from the old school. She doesn't get this. She can't get this. She will never get this. Because she is addicted to the slimey game she's played for so long. But we refuse to get down in that mud pit with her. We choose to rise above! We choose change!!!"

Or something like that.

/the words are flowing for me today

"Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one." - Nietzsche

Obama could fight back against Hillary - she's certainly got enough that could be used against her - but in doing so wouldn't he invalidate his claim of "change" and distaste for "politics as usual"?

Is it worth becoming the very thing you railed against in order to win the presidency?

Dan looks like he could use a really good BM in that picture...

Politics of cynicism vs. politics of hope.

My hope, let me show it to you.

Dan Brown, of The London Free Press? Was John Grisham of the Kitchener Picayune too busy to approve of Drew's rants?


Wait a minute. A journalist, who agrees with Drew on the media? From Ontario? Is it getting cold in here, or is it just me?

DaSwankOne: as soon as the OMG his preacher gives a black message to his black congregation mess clears up. (poppy)

Maybe this helps?

ThatGuyGreg: As if I'd take political advice from the guy that wrote "Digital Fortress".

lolmilliondigitprimenumbers

Obama can't continue to shrug off Clinton's attacks as old-style politics; he has established a reputation as a classy guy, yes, but voters want to be assured he's also a fighter.

Clinton has barely laid a glove on the guy. What are Obama and his supporters going to do when the real heavy stuff starts to fly? Cry louder?

lolmao666
Why do you find Obama so good?

Vision tempered by wisdom and humility.

/for one thing

barneyfifesbullet
Clinton has barely laid a glove on the guy.

You're kidding, I hope. Most of her blows have been deflected, but that's not for want of effort on her part. For crying out loud, she's actually said that McCain would be more qualified than Obama, which isn't just playing dirty, it's playing *so* dirty that it's virtually unheard of even in American politics.

Obama can't go negative. If he does he'll lose a bunch of support because he won't seem like a Washington outsider anymore. For an example of this see Gary Hart ca. 1984

Mistah Scrotie: If he does he'll lose a bunch of support because he won't seem like a Washington outsider anymore. For an example of this see Gary Hart ca. 1984

Going negative wasn't really Hart's major problem...

FTFA: Prediction # 3: Barack Obama is dead in the water if he doesn't fight back.

Gotta agree with this one. 100%. It's something I've been aching to see from Obama's campgain for a while now. And, he DID start to be a little more aggressive after Super Tuesday II. He's starting to bring up more questions about Hillary's "35 years of experience."

But there needs to be more. As has been mentioned, one can go on the offensive WITHOUT slinging mud. It's about setting the tone. It's about defining what the media and the campaigns will be talking about, not responding to what others say about him. I do think that if Obama wants to win over more Republicans he has to show that he's more of a "fighter."

Finally, I'll admit that I think the Obama campaign is aware about the potential pittfalls of being TOO aggressive against Hillary. They don't want him to come off as the overbearing male and let Hillary play the "poor woman" role. So I HOPE that's why some of his aggressive campaigning has been tempered.

IXI Jim IXI: Going negative wasn't really Hart's major problem...

A lot of people attribute his loss in Illinois (and thus his momentum) as a result of his negative campaigning. He tried to counter Mondale's 'where's the beef' unsuccessfully.

barneyfifesbullet:

What, exactly, is the heavy stuff you proport will soon begin to fly?

YOS SHEE WOLL

Political analysts are about as useful as sports analysts.

/I also hate books
//same plot over and over

I meant to say I hate his books, not books in general.

/oopsies

mrexcess

HOLLARY CLONTON / WOLL SMOTH '08

mrexcess: YOS SHEE WOLL

My God, that is disturbing.

Maybe he thinks Billary will pull a Vince Foster on Obama?

Mr_Fabulous: You can go on the offensive without wallowing in the mud

Agreed, and as an example I point to his response to the Ferraro thing. "I don't think her comments were racist, they were, however, ridiculous." (or something close to that) I actually laughed and clapped when I heard the NPR newscaster mention it and it was even better catching Obama saying it on CNN later. Something about the way they both said ridiculous implied an eye roll).

I think this is where he'll be going with a good portion of the stuff that gets thrown at him, brush it off and point out it's dumb we're even talking about it how about we talk about this horribly mismanaged, misguided, war my colleagues voted for, or maybe the wrecking of the Constitution or maybe... etc.

lolmao666: Why do you find Obama so good? Well, he's standing next to Hillary... anyone would look great against Hillary, even you-know-who.



Well, maybe not anyone...

erik-k: barneyfifesbullet:

What, exactly, is the heavy stuff you proport will soon begin to fly?

Ask Al Gore and John Kerry. Both of whom were much more qualified for the job than Obama, BTW.

puffy999: My God, that is disturbing.

Her running mate...

barneyfifesbullet: Ask Al Gore and John Kerry. Both of whom were much more qualified for the job than Obama, BTW.

Oh yes, you are the decider, the one who determines who is qualified, and what those qualifications are.

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy, and others were unqualified, I'm sure, if you were the one to make the determination.

enigmatic_cat: Her running mate...

Will Smith?

Really, that edited photo doesn't look THAT much different than Will.

odinsposse: Obama is in the lead and there is little to suggest that he's going to lose that lead. He doesn't need to change anything.

This.

Obama doesn't need to go on the offensive, but his attack dogs could use more bite.

deeproy: odinsposse: Obama is in the lead and there is little to suggest that he's going to lose that lead. He doesn't need to change anything.

This.

Obama doesn't need to go on the offensive, but his attack dogs could use more bite.

Speaking of attack dogs, where the hell is Kennedy? He'd only hurt Obama if he right at Hillary but it seems as if he should be doing some interviews, saying something about the Rovian politics. All it'd take is Teddy Kennedy on MSNBC or CNN saying "how can anyone say the media's going easy on Obama? You've pressed him over and over on Rezko even when there's nothing there but god forbid anybody say 'Whitewater' or somehow you're a sexist."

The media gets a new round of talking about themselves, gets to rip open every scandal in the Clinton years again, and focus on issues that might actually make a difference. Obama can chuckle and hold up his list of earmarks, ask where her tax returns are, get back to campaigning. It's all so easy.

barneyfifesbullet: Ask Al Gore and John Kerry.

You mean DNC annointed candidates who ran lousy campaigns? How does that apply here again except for Hillary following their example?

puffy999: enigmatic_cat: Her running mate...

Will Smith?

No. Its Woll Smoth.

both curtis and brown are retards

FTA

He has already given Hillary a free hand to define him - allowing his opponent, as Kerry did four years ago, to get the upper hand.

No way. Kerry got defined because he didn't reply. He was stupid enough to believe that people wouldn't believe blatant lies. He waited *weeks* to counter the Swift Boating.

Obama is on TV immediately with every single issue. They're all bullshiat, but he stands his ground immediately.

That's what got Kerry. Not failing to lie like an asshat.

enigmatic_cat: puffy999: My God, that is disturbing.

Her running mate...

Is this the fate of Fark? To so be some 4chan dumping ground? Brings threadshiatting to some new level.

Sadly I think a 4channing of Fark would raise the level of debate and discussion.

Newbaca: Sadly I think a 4channing of Fark would raise the level of debate and discussion.



LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

If I were Obama with the money he has coming in to his campaign I would go hire writers off the Daily Show and Colbert or political satirists and just fill the air waves with ads that point out all of the absurd garbage that comes out of the Clinton and McCain camps. Kill'em with wit and humor. Voters like that and it makes him look witty and not like a jerk. It would be a different kind of campaign ad that we really have not seen before from a different kind of politician. I think it would convert so many people to his side he would win this thing with a landslide. Don't hire celebrities. Just let his opponents kill themselves with their own words and use humor to point it out.

barneyfifesbullet: Ask Al Gore and John Kerry. Both of whom were much more qualified for the job than Obama, BTW.

And both of whom were about as inspiring as the Yellow Pages.

EwoksSuck: Or they could talk Reverend Moon into printing up an "Obama wins by Landslide" paper...