...because the Constitution says "English-only?"

/you know who else didn't speak English?

Que?

Unbelievable. Third world death trap trucks being driven by 3rd world foreigners on our highways. A facist 3rd world country at that. I wonder how many will be hauling refugees here to infiltrate us?

This is insane.

/cue knee jerk racist accusations

Gary, we think you're racist for many reasons, not this comment.

However, whoever thinks bilingualism is the biggest constitutional nightmare this man is responsible for is a moron.

WTF has this got to do with the Constitution?

what_now: Gary, we think you're racist for many reasons, not this comment.

I know I know..I'm a cracker. Crackers are all racists. In fact, they are the ONLY racists. I really hate those purple farkers from Antarctica too. They are serious boogy men.

Your english grammar skills could use a little work, subby.

tchamber: WTF has this got to do with the Constitution?

Not a gawn damn thing.

Gary, it's the "towelheads" and other assorted things that you've said that has you farkied as a racist.

You're right on a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

Article II, Section III

he (the president) shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

My uncle and 8 others were killled in a traffic accident by a Mexican FedEX driver. The only documentation FedEX had on him was a PO Box in Mexico and a name that may or may not have been real. The guy just disappeared after talking to the police that day.

FedEX quietly settled it out of court but I know the pay out was freaking huge.

You know who else didn't speak English?



That's right.

Skail: ...because the Constitution says "English-only?"

/you know who else didn't speak English?

Most of the military advisors in the US's war of independence?

what_now: Gary, we think you're racist for many reasons, not this comment.

However, whoever thinks bilingualism is the biggest constitutional nightmare this man is responsible for is a moron.

Here in America, we spell it "moran". Moran.

When I see a beat up pickup doing 25 mph in a 45 mph zone, the driver is almost always Mexican. I wouldn't have believed it until I moved to Texas.

They're doing kph instead of mph ;)

Karma Curmudgeon: Article II, Section III

he (the president) shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

Except that the law doesn't require them to speak English. Be careful getting your federal law interpretation from World Net Daily.

xtex: You know who else didn't speak English?



That's right.

Thanks you for my Friday morning seizure.

The feds cracked down on the Fung Wah bus line because their drivers didn't speak English. When buses burst into flames, flipped over, or otherwise became hazardous drivers couldn't tell passengers what to do. That's why they need to be able to speak English. That, and saying "thank you Mr. Policeman can you please insert your nightstick deeper?" Talking to people is part of the job. For the traffic sign test I'm content to have them be able to understand the signs.

filth: Except that the law doesn't require them to speak English. Be careful getting your federal law interpretation from World Net Daily filth.

A brochure on the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's website (.pdf file, new window) instructs Mexican truck drivers, "Did you know ... You MUST be able to read and speak English to drive trucks in the United States."

Karma Curmudgeon: filth: Except that the law doesn't require them to speak English. Be careful getting your federal law interpretation from World Net Daily filth.

A brochure on the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's website (.pdf file, new window) instructs Mexican truck drivers, "Did you know ... You MUST be able to read and speak English to drive trucks in the United States."

I read it. The issue is whether the driver understands road signs and instructions well enough to drive safely. There is no requirement that he be fluent in English. And more importantly, there's no indication that the Feds are ignoring their own rules (Teamster fever dreams notwithstanding). In fact, the Mexicans have been complaining that they're getting tickets for not be proficient in English even if they're only operating near the border (I know, cry me a river).

The other issue here is that a federal agency's regs can't be used to stop implementation of a ratified treaty.

Mexican drivers take their English proficiency tests to drive here in Spanish The Constitution seen coughing a death rattle

I bet Mexican drivers know how to put a . in their sentences subby.

Skail: ...because the Constitution says "English-only?"

/you know who else didn't speak English?

Try to get this thru your politically correct skull - the traffic signs in this country are all in ENGLISH! If you can't read the damn traffic signs, how the hell can you drive safely!?

We have thread after thread after thread of wackos who tell us that road safety is paramount and that any excess inflicted on drivers is fine so long as it's in the name of 'road safety'. I expect every last one of you jackbooted thugs to be up in arms about this horrific breech of safety protocol and rightly fear mexican drivers on the roads. I know who you are and I'll be watching your comments on this thread....

filth: I read it. The issue is whether the driver understands road signs and instructions well enough to drive safely. There is no requirement that he be fluent in English. And more importantly, there's no indication that the Feds are ignoring their own rules (Teamster fever dreams notwithstanding). In fact, the Mexicans have been complaining that they're getting tickets for not be proficient in English even if they're only operating near the border (I know, cry me a river).

The other issue here is that a federal agency's regs can't be used to stop implementation of a ratified treaty.

I don't really know anything about this. My initial post was for those who didn't see any constitutional implications in this. But it seems to me that knowing a red, octogonal sign means "alto" does not certify that one can understand signs reading "accident ahead", "jakebrake not allowed", "slippery when wet", etc. And I'm not familiar with anything in NAFTA or any other treaty that would preclude the enforcement of the law as described in TFA.

Weaver95: We have thread after thread after thread of wackos who tell us that road safety is paramount and that any excess inflicted on drivers is fine so long as it's in the name of 'road safety'.

We do?

mediaho: Weaver95: We have thread after thread after thread of wackos who tell us that road safety is paramount and that any excess inflicted on drivers is fine so long as it's in the name of 'road safety'.

We do?

Have a chat with 7of7 about it some time.

Try to get this thru your politically correct skull - the traffic signs in this country are all in ENGLISH! If you can't read the damn traffic signs, how the hell can you drive safely!?

So you're saying an immigrant truck driver cannot tell the difference between a big red sign with four letters that says 'ALTO' and 'STOP'?

Godscrack: So you're saying an immigrant truck driver cannot tell the difference between a big red sign with four letters that says 'ALTO' and 'STOP'?

How about these little gems:

ALL HAZARDOUS CARGO MUST EXIT

ALL TRUCKS MUST EXIT WHEN LIGHT IS FLASHING

BRIDGE OUT AHEAD

LOAD LIMIT 20,000 LBS

MAX HEIGHT 13'9"

NO TRUCKS

The list goes on ;)

Godscrack: So you're saying an immigrant truck driver cannot tell the difference between a big red sign with four letters that says 'ALTO' and 'STOP'?

I would say that's not a problem except that we have other signs beside "stop." "Bridge Out" or "detour" (with instructions) for instance.

Godscrack: Try to get this thru your politically correct skull - the traffic signs in this country are all in ENGLISH! If you can't read the damn traffic signs, how the hell can you drive safely!?

So you're saying an immigrant truck driver cannot tell the difference between a big red sign with four letters that says 'ALTO' and 'STOP'?

Yes becuase the ONLY sign on our roads are bug red ones that say stop. How about the ones that flash warnings above the roadway, "CONSTRUCTION AHEAD*flash*Lanes merge in 3 miles*flash*SLOW DOWN*Expect Delays." OR "CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION*ACCIDENT AHEAD*SLOW DOWN*" Those types are pretty damn important and are just on big black rectangles with yellow lettering.

The list goes on ;)

I bet it does! Soldier on!

Godscrack: So you're saying an immigrant truck driver cannot tell the difference between a big red sign with four letters that says 'ALTO' and 'STOP'?

I'm saying that a mexican truck driver barrelling down the road at 80mph who's lost and trying to figure out where the hell he's going isn't going to have time to figure out which off ramp he's supposed to take and isn't going to have time to check his spanish/english dictionary while moving thru rush hour traffic.

So he's doding thru traffic, trying to understand the traffic signs, isn't sure what the speed limit is and has no idea if he's on a one way street or if he's gotta worry about lanes shifting or construcion up ahead. So he isn't in the correct lane when that construction crew suddenly shows up in his path(because he couldn't understand the sign that said 'road work in 2 miles), is going too fast to stop by the time he sees them, and causes a 40 car pileup because he suddenly shifted into traffic without warning.

It is inconcievable to me that we advocate red light cameras in the name of safety, but let drivers on the road who can't read the damn road signs!

Weaver95: It is inconcievable to me that we advocate red light cameras in the name of safety, but let drivers on the road who can't read the damn road signs!


I have a woman in my class insisting immigrants, even illegals, should get the right to vote. I shared my views on this and other immigration and voting issues and my professor asked "were you a repressive dictator in a past life?"

I'm still not sure how to take that.

Gwendolyn: I have a woman in my class insisting immigrants, even illegals, should get the right to vote. I shared my views on this and other immigration and voting issues and my professor asked "were you a repressive dictator in a past life?"

You don't think legal immigrants should be able to vote?

filth: I read it. The issue is whether the driver understands road signs and instructions well enough to drive safely. There is no requirement that he be fluent in English.

Take a look at the .pdf, not the article:

all drivers operating
trucks in the United States to be able to read and speak the
English language sufficiently to:
Converse with the general public;
Understand highway traffic signs and signals in the English language;
Respond to official inquiries; and
Make entries on reports and records.

mediaho: Gwendolyn: I have a woman in my class insisting immigrants, even illegals, should get the right to vote. I shared my views on this and other immigration and voting issues and my professor asked "were you a repressive dictator in a past life?"

You don't think legal immigrants should be able to vote?

Why should a non citizen be allowed to vote in our elections? They'd vote according to the US policies relating to their own country, in their own self interest, not the interest of America.

Hell no I don't think they should.

mediaho: You don't think legal immigrants should be able to vote?

A legal immigrant is not always a citizen.

Gwendolyn: Why should a non citizen be allowed to vote in our elections?

Chuck Wagon: A legal immigrant is not always a citizen.

Oh duh. Is it too late in the day to blame my idiocy on lack of coffee?

mediaho: Gwendolyn: Why should a non citizen be allowed to vote in our elections?

Chuck Wagon: A legal immigrant is not always a citizen.

Oh duh. Is it too late in the day to blame my idiocy on lack of coffee?

Yes when they are a citizen by all means please vote away. :p

Immigrants, like the people here on Visas no.

mediaho: Oh duh. Is it too late in the day to blame my idiocy on lack of coffee?

I would say yes. Instead, say you got drunk at lunch.

Karma Curmudgeon: But it seems to me that knowing a red, octogonal sign means "alto" does not certify that one can understand signs reading "accident ahead", "jakebrake not allowed", "slippery when wet", etc. And I'm not familiar with anything in NAFTA or any other treaty that would preclude the enforcement of the law as described in TFA.

I agree.

The law says truck drivers in the USA must speak English.

I wish they would do that for emergency room doctors.

When I see the word 'Alto' I think 'Stop'. Goes both ways. Who farking cares if they can speak English? If they know what the signs mean, it doesn't mean shiat.

This is also an issue on construction sites. There are so many Mexican workers who can't read or speak English, it becomes a major safety hazard.

Employers should have English speaking requirements when communication is important to safety.

Weaver95: We have thread after thread after thread of wackos who tell us that road safety is paramount and that any excess inflicted on drivers is fine so long as it's in the name of 'road safety'. I expect every last one of you jackbooted thugs to be up in arms about this horrific breech of safety protocol and rightly fear mexican drivers on the roads. I know who you are and I'll be watching your comments on this thread....

Well, that was intense. Are you morally against seatbelts or something?

Why would anyone be arguing these guys shouldn't have to understand the road signs?

Shaggy_C: When I see the word 'Alto' I think 'Stop'. Goes both ways. Who farking cares if they can speak English? If they know what the signs mean, it doesn't mean shiat.

If you read the thread, you would have realized that this has already been covered. And driving around any area with any type of traffic or signs would let you know that not all signs are just "STOP".

hockeyfarker: Why would anyone be arguing these guys shouldn't have to understand the road signs?

Because by forcing them to learn English we're destroying part of their culture.

SpaceyCat: If you read the thread, you would have realized that this has already been covered.

I guess I should have just found a post that seemed reasonable and written "THIS!!1!" in huge bold font, right?

Why require them to speak English? Most of the signs have pictures, and you don't have to be able to understand Spanish to know the guy's giving you the finger.

Skail: ...because the Constitution says "English-only?"

If we're going to use your boundlessly liberal standard, why not print the Constitution in the language of an IKEA assembly manual?

spleef420: Because by forcing them to learn English we're destroying part of their culture.

Ok, well, I guess sometimes you gotta say "Hey, this person is not worth arguing with, cause f*ck", and move on with the Farking.

Shaggy_C: I guess I should have just found a post that seemed reasonable and written "THIS!!1!" in huge bold font, right?

That is preferred, yes. Quick and to the point.