It's all coming together.

You mean just Hillary. Obama's actually leading McCain.

How is Obama handling himself wrong? I don't see him doing anything which would destroy the Dems chances.

The way Clinton and Obama are handling themselves makes it likely that Democrats will once again prove their mastery at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Great news for the country.

TheConvincingSavant: The way Clinton and Obama are handling themselves makes it likely that Democrats will once again prove their mastery at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Great news for the country.

Only is one is either:

A) Delusional.

or

B) A masochist

I'd say they're both.

2wolves: It's all coming together.

This - around this time last year, I wondered how the Democrats would manage to fark up the election this year, which seemed like it'd be even more of a lock than 2004. God bless 'em, they're trying.

TheConvincingSavant:

Great news for the country.

DamnYankees: How is Obama handling himself wrong? I don't see him doing anything which would destroy the Dems chances.

He's not stepping aside for the biatch. It supposed to be her turn you know.

The on thing not getting any play is how utterly pussified the Democratic leadership is.

Al Gore. Bill Richardson. John Edwards. Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi. Howard Dean. Joe Biden.

Why aren't these people stepping forward. You *know* they pretty much all favor Obama. The only person on that list who might favor Hillary is Richardson, and maybe Edwards. But as informed citizens they have to know that Hillary's only path to the nomination is destroying the party and undermining the vote. Why the hell aren't they stepping up? What the hell is wrong with these idiots?

DamnYankees: How is Obama handling himself wrong? I don't see him doing anything which would destroy the Dems chances.

He's setting race relations in this country back 20 years! He's not qualified to be president, and he's only winning because he's black. Once people figure out that he has never, not once, said anything of substance, and that there is NO way to find out any of his actual positions, they'll realize they were hoodwinked by his color, and all the gains black people have made by us giving them affirmative action will be lost.


/or something.

Plus, the only reason you won't vote for Hillary is because you hated your mother. Why are you so sexist?? Can't you see that equality of the sexes means that women need to be given more leeway???

I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee - but it’s not going to be pretty. She’ll have a big challenge in trying to put the party back together. But I think it can be done. The majority of the AA community know that Hillary is not some evil race baitor, and I can’t seen them voting for McCain, against their own self-interests.

what_now: Plus, the only reason you won't vote for Hillary is because you hated your mother. Why are you so sexist?? Can't you see that equality of the sexes means that women need to be given more leeway???

My mom, a white, 55 year old lifetime Democrat in California, voted for Barack.

I like my mom.

Somebody shoot Hillary Clinton and we've solved our problem.

The Stallion: I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee - but it's not going to be pretty. She'll have a big challenge in trying to put the party back together. But I think it can be done. The majority of the AA community know that Hillary is not some evil race baitor, and I can't seen them voting for McCain, against their own self-interests.

They just won't vote. If you listen to AA radio, the talk is all about Hillary stealing the nomination and destroying the party, alienating black people. Dem leadership are morons.

DamnYankees: I like my mom.

So does everybody else.

/I keed
//really dude, setting yourself up for Mom jokes on fark is not wise. Unless you like that sort of thing.

what_now: Plus, the only reason you won't vote for Hillary is because you hated your mother. Why are you so sexist?? Can't you see that equality of the sexes means that women need to be given more leeway???

But I love you mother, so who did she vote for (I forgot to ask) ...

what_now: DamnYankees: How is Obama handling himself wrong? I don't see him doing anything which would destroy the Dems chances.

He's setting race relations in this country back 20 years! He's not qualified to be president, and he's only winning because he's black. Once people figure out that he has never, not once, said anything of substance, and that there is NO way to find out any of his actual positions, they'll realize they were hoodwinked by his color, and all the gains black people have made by us giving them affirmative action will be lost.


/or something.

DamnYankees: My mom, a white, 55 year old lifetime Democrat in California, voted for Barack.

I like my mom.

Oh, so she's one of those Democrats who don't matter? Now, if she had voted for Hillary, as she clearly was supposed to, she'd be a representative of all democrats. But she didn't so she's an anomaly.

tortilla burger: Somebody shoot Hillary Clinton and we've solved our problem.

Are you kidding? Then they will bring her back as Zombie Hillary. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!?!


Braiiiiiiinssssss.....

The Stallion: I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee - but it's not going to be pretty. She'll have a big challenge in trying to put the party back together. But I think it can be done. The majority of the AA community know that Hillary is not some evil race baitor, and I can't seen them voting for McCain, against their own self-interests.

Could you explain the chain of events leading to that outcome? How will a large enough percentage of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates be convinced to back Clinton? I've looked at the math in several different ways, and it looks like she'll need about 2/3 of them to break her way, defying the will of the people as expressed in primaries and caucuses across the country.

DamnYankees: How is Obama handling himself wrong? I don't see him doing anything which would destroy the Dems chances.

Yah, but zOMG his middle name is WHO'S SANE!!!1!!11!!!ELEVEN!!1!!!

what_now: Plus, the only reason you won't vote for Hillary is because you hated your mother.

I disagree with your use of the past tense.

DamnYankees: The on thing not getting any play is how utterly pussified the Democratic leadership is.

Al Gore. Bill Richardson. John Edwards. Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi. Howard Dean. Joe Biden.

Why aren't these people stepping forward. You *know* they pretty much all favor Obama. The only person on that list who might favor Hillary is Richardson, and maybe Edwards. But as informed citizens they have to know that Hillary's only path to the nomination is destroying the party and undermining the vote. Why the hell aren't they stepping up? What the hell is wrong with these idiots?

Because having top leaders pick sides would only increase the infighting and make the Democratic Party more likely to split in two?

skinnycatullus: I've looked at the math in several different ways,

It is disturbing that a leading candidate for POTUS, surrounded by the most loyal advisor's that money can buy, can't do simple addition.

OtitisMEDIA: But I love you mother, so who did she vote for (I forgot to ask) ...

MY mother? She honestly won't tell me. On the one hand, my father is solidly behind Clinton, because his life was better when Bill was in office, and he's a racist.

I've been an Obama supporter since before he announced, and have been pretty unwavering. One of my brothers voted for Obama because as he puts it "She [me] pays more attention to this stuff, so I do what she tells me".

My other brother was a smarmy Bush supporter until about..2006ish, and now he claims he "doesn't want to talk about politics" and that he's "always been a libertarian", so he didn't vote for a Democrat, because he fails at learning from his mistakes.

All of these people live in New Hampshire. I do not. My vote has less weight than there's.

(I suspect she voted for Obama, but doesn't want to talk about it).

I think Obama is going fine on his own. the people around him should STFU though.

DamnYankees
The on thing not getting any play is how utterly pussified the Democratic leadership is.

Exactly. They could end this contest today. Come out and say "There is no possiblity of Hillary overtaking Obama in states won, the popular vote, or delegates. The people of the Democratic Party have spoken and chosen Barack Obama as our nominee. The superdelegates will make it offical at Denver but this contest is over."

what_now Why do people keep echoing this "nothing of substance" fallacy? I've heard more substantive (which I think is the word you were looking for) policies outline by Obama than either Clinton or McCain. This is ridiculous. How has he set race relations back 20 years? He has done everything in his power to get past the race stigma. He got to where he is because he is incredibly eloquent, intelligent, and a great communicator. I don't know why people are hung up on "qualifications for president." This is the retarded for many reasons. One of which is the greatest presidents of our history had little to know "experience" that Clintonistas feel is so important. Another would be McCain has well over twice as much "experience" as Clinton in any measure thereof. Clinton is shooting herself in the foot by trying to win on experience.

Pelosi and Reid are making noise, but I think they worry about alienating the Clinton faction and what it would mean for their leadership roles. Edwards is a sniveling shyster who's waiting to see which way the wind blows. Al Gore is a messiah and can't be bothered with the petty issues of mortals. Dean is clearly in Obama's camp but as chair of the DNC, he can't really pick a side at this point.

Unright: DamnYankees: The on thing not getting any play is how utterly pussified the Democratic leadership is.

Al Gore. Bill Richardson. John Edwards. Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi. Howard Dean. Joe Biden.

Why aren't these people stepping forward. You *know* they pretty much all favor Obama. The only person on that list who might favor Hillary is Richardson, and maybe Edwards. But as informed citizens they have to know that Hillary's only path to the nomination is destroying the party and undermining the vote. Why the hell aren't they stepping up? What the hell is wrong with these idiots?

Because having top leaders pick sides would only increase the infighting and make the Democratic Party more likely to split in two?

How would it increase the infighting, exactly? Hillary's only path to win is via superdelegates. If Obama can get enough of them *now*, it would make her chances of taking over in superdelegates as high as her taking over pledged delegates - basically impossible. If these guys come out and endorse along with some others, it could make her mathematically unable to get enough supers to do it. Then she has zero ways to win and would be forced to drop out.

J-Bar

HA!! Got one!!

little to know = little to no

/fudge

skinnycatullus:

Could you explain the chain of events leading to that outcome? How will a large enough percentage of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates be convinced to back Clinton? I've looked at the math in several different ways, and it looks like she'll need about 2/3 of them to break her way, defying the will of the people as expressed in primaries and caucuses across the country.


Somehow, I believe that a miracle has to occur, perhaps in the sitting judges of the 11th circuit, and God will lead them to seat all of the delegates. God has to intevene in this election. It is our only hope. Keep praying for a miracle. I'm ready to start prayer groups to change people's hearts from acceptance of this devil and to deliver this nation from complete annihilation. Our country, and definitely the Democratic Party will be punished for condoning this outrage. The party of FDR and JFK? I don't think so. Hey, Kennedy's - how do you square TUCC with your Catholic upbrining? Rose Kennedy is rolling over in her grave right about now to know that she has so many members turning away from their upbringing and embracing Obama and all that he represents. Hail Mary, Full of Grace... Novenas until November 5, 2008.

If you look at the numbers, Hillary can't win.

dang it!

Mentat: Dean is clearly in Obama's camp but as chair of the DNC, he can't really pick a side at this point.

He can say "we need this to end, and mathematically, the only way Clinton can win is to overturn the will of the people. I call on superdelegates to not let that happen - let's end this now."

Would it have been wrong for the chair of the RNC (whoever that is) to tell people to endorse McCain against Huckabee? The only reason people pay more respect to Hillary than Huckabee is because she's a biatch who has name recognition.

The Stallion

and God will lead them to seat all of the delegates. God has to intevene in this election

I lol'd

TheConvincingSavant: The way Clinton and Obama are handling themselves makes it likely that Democrats will once again prove their mastery at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Great news for the country.

The great news is that the headline is wrong, as is the article.

Obama is handling this in a civilized positive manner. If anything, the Clinton campaign is making it more likely that he'll win the general election, as long as he continues to stay away from the mudslinging.

DamnYankees: The Stallion: I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee - but it's not going to be pretty. She'll have a big challenge in trying to put the party back together. But I think it can be done. The majority of the AA community know that Hillary is not some evil race baitor, and I can't seen them voting for McCain, against their own self-interests.

They just won't vote. If you listen to AA radio, the talk is all about Hillary stealing the nomination and destroying the party, alienating black people. Dem leadership are morons.

That's exactly the situation they have to avoid to pretty much ensure a win. If Obama is the nominee and can continue to deliver the black community, a likely outcome, and actually brings young people 18-29 into the booths, the Dems can win. If it looks like the nomination was stolen to give it to Hillary, they can lose the young people back to the couches and possibly the black community for this election, I doubt for much longer.

As for the leadership not saying anything. Nancy all but endorsed Obama, I don't see Al really loving how much the Clintons did for him, Harry wants to be FDR with fireside chats so I've got no clue about him and that just leaves the rest of the undeclared presidential hopefuls. I think it's so weak for all the leaders to be silent. If they came out for one candidate or the other, they could end the kitchen sink approach that is allowing for this situation to continue.

/Really is there's to lose
//I hope it's Obama v. McCain, would be less shrill, but more interesting to me

Hate to keep doing this but:



That is all.

Either way, The Republicans are SOL...

Options are:
1. The well educated, I speak better English than you (rednecks), Muslim raised black man.
2. The uber, give no head, power hungry, move or I will crush you, superbiatch.
3. The follow Bush Jr. course, more of you will die, no earmark, lobbyists are harmless, moderate conservative.

And if you don't like America in the next four years, you could as you say 'Leave it' or enlist, which is the same as leaving it, but at the same time dodging bullets and IEDs.

odinsposse: DamnYankees
The on thing not getting any play is how utterly pussified the Democratic leadership is.

Exactly. They could end this contest today. Come out and say "There is no possiblity of Hillary overtaking Obama in states won, the popular vote, or delegates. The people of the Democratic Party have spoken and chosen Barack Obama as our nominee. The superdelegates will make it offical at Denver but this contest is over."

They could also make the case for unifying the party, which would force Clinto to argue that even though the most important people ni the party want them to unify and think they should end it now, she doesn't care. She would come off as more selfish than ever.

quickdraw: tortilla burger: Somebody shoot Hillary Clinton and we've solved our problem.

Are you kidding? Then they will bring her back as Zombie Hillary. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!?!


Braiiiiiiinssssss.....

I said it about a month ago and got flamed but I still think this will happen:

The race will go to the convention. Hillary won't leave for anything. Obama will be the bigger man, step aside gracefully and let Clinton deal with the shiatpile Bush leaves her. He'll never say "I told you so" to anyone and we'll have President Obama in '12 or '16.

Clinton has too much bad karma for history to look at her 20 or years from now with anything but contempt. Obama on the other hand could become one of the greatest leaders in our history. I can see him folding his cards now and waiting for a new opportunity later.

or something

If Hillary cannot win the nomination, she's already laid the groundwork for running in 2012... against McCain. She simply won't stand to wait 8 more years.

The Stallion: I have no doubt that Hillary will be the nominee - but it's not going to be pretty. She'll have a big challenge in trying to put the party back together. But I think it can be done. The majority of the AA community know that Hillary is not some evil race baitor, and I can't seen them voting for McCain, against their own self-interests.

When did Hillary become the chosen candidate of the recovering alcoholic community?

ipsofacto: If Hillary cannot win the nomination, she's already laid the groundwork for running in 2012... against McCain. She simply won't stand to wait 8 more years.

McCain won't run in 2012. I'm calling it now.

vernonFL: The Stallion

and God will lead them to seat all of the delegates. God has to intevene in this election

I lol'd

It's just a little Dues Ex Machina, if it was good enough for the Greeks it's good enough for the Democrats. Does Hillary even belong to a church or attend? With all the questions about the craziness of Obama's pastor, I have no idea what the she is supposed to be.

/Apparently my ability to type correctly has atrophied
//Their's not there's
///My head, it is hanging in shame