...and you have to put the magazine back after an hour.

Poor girl. I haven't really been following the sordid bits, but I feel bad that she'll never be able to go anywhere without getting recognized again. You know, unless she's playing it out for money, and in that case, you go, girl!

433: Poor girl. I haven't really been following the sordid bits, but I feel bad that she'll never be able to go anywhere without getting recognized again.

(A) Boo farking hoo. She's a whore

(B) Spitzer ain't Clinton & she ain't Monica. In a few months, she can walk down any NYC street & not be noticed. And NEVER be noticed if she moves out of NYC

rocinante721: (A) Boo farking hoo. She's a whore

A time honored profession with ancient roots going back to the beginnings of recorded human history.

(B) Spitzer ain't Clinton & she ain't Monica. In a few months, she can walk down any NYC street & not be noticed. And NEVER be noticed if she moves out of NYC

Why would she want to do that? She's going to write a tell all book about all the high profile clients she's spent time with, secure the movie rights and start a new perfume chain. Then she'll live off the proceeds.

I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

The man has some good taste. If I'm not mistaken, this comely young lass qualifies as "hittable".

I thought Penthouse went belly up?

You see, a Bristol girl is a one of a kind
And if you know her good enough she won't make you stand on line
She'll let you inside, make you pay for the ride
Take off her pants and then it smells like somebody died
You say "What the heck", because you already paid
Not knowin' that the guy that went before you had AIDS
Bang bang boogie, she was so amusin'
Next week you're at the clinic gettin' blood transfusions
At the...

I would definitely hit it.

Just look at those not-sharp knees.

Weaver95: rocinante721: (A) Boo farking hoo. She's a whore

A time honored profession with ancient roots going back to the beginnings of recorded human history.

(B) Spitzer ain't Clinton & she ain't Monica. In a few months, she can walk down any NYC street & not be noticed. And NEVER be noticed if she moves out of NYC

Why would she want to do that? She's going to write a tell all book about all the high profile clients she's spent time with, secure the movie rights and start a new perfume chain. Then she'll live off the proceeds.

I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

Because he spent a large part of his career "cracking down on prostitution rings".

Weaver95: I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

Because this is America and sex is dirty?

I would still like to know how The Fitz's name got leaked so quick when Senator Vitter's name never was leaked. He got outed by Larry Flynt.

There is a story right there.

433: Poor girl. I haven't really been following the sordid bits, but I feel bad that she'll never be able to go anywhere without getting recognized again. You know, unless she's playing it out for money, and in that case, you go, girl!

Eh, she's still somewhat generic looking (don't get me wrong, definitely hot and all, but not terribly distinctive), in a year no one will recognize her.

rocinante721: Boo farking hoo. She's a whore

Jackass.

drevil877: Weaver95: rocinante721: (A) Boo farking hoo. She's a whore

A time honored profession with ancient roots going back to the beginnings of recorded human history.

(B) Spitzer ain't Clinton & she ain't Monica. In a few months, she can walk down any NYC street & not be noticed. And NEVER be noticed if she moves out of NYC

Why would she want to do that? She's going to write a tell all book about all the high profile clients she's spent time with, secure the movie rights and start a new perfume chain. Then she'll live off the proceeds.

I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

Because he spent a large part of his career "cracking down on prostitution rings".

Should have spent time legalizing it.
Hindsight...

Chuck Wagon

I thought Penthouse went belly up?

Those aren't bellies.

I don't know if I'd buy this guys, just look at those sharp knees.

UnkleKrakker:
Should have spent time legalizing it.
Hindsight...

Oh, I think through the whole thing he was getting a lot of that.

barneyfifesbullet: I would still like to know how The Fitz's name got leaked so quick when Senator Vitter's name never was leaked.

According to the New York Times, which broke the story, the initial leak came from one or more of the Governor's aides. I can't find the story where they said that -- they seem to overwrite old stories with updates rather than keeping each version. On the other hand, the Times sometimes makes shiat up, so you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt.

I bet they asked his wife for interviews and a clothed photo set first.

TheFoy:
Jackass.

Internet White Knights itt

I'll do you one better, she is a whore [totally factual statement] but she also thinks she's too good for regular limp-dicks, going for the higher margin john. She's the worst combination of a hooker and a gold digger.

the worst combination of a hooker and a gold digger.

Or, possibly, the best. With a gold digger, you never know how deep they'll dig, how low they'll go.

With this sort of establishment, at least you get an invoice.

Weaver95: I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

The problem with Clinton & that fat girl was the fact that she was an intern in an office that he was in charge of... there's inherent problems with big bosses who screw underlings. Aside from that, sex away. Who cares?

Spritzer should have at least done this with an intern, although that would be shady. Banging whores opens himself up to all sorts of potential corruption.

Who runs the whorehouse? Is this his only whorehouse that he goes to? Is he a patron at mob-run whorehouses? Does his use of whores mean that he's already ruined by corruption - blackmail, bribery, assistance in tax evasion or whatever? He could be clean, he could be totally corrupt... is it fair to the people of New York that they have to live with those questions while he remains in office?

As for why he was investigated... if anyone does suspicious banking activity, it's automagically investigated. The banking regulations are clear, and the stuff Spritzer did was just plain dumb (the money transfers, not talking about soliciting whores).

Spritzer should have known that what he was doing would be automatically flagged because I'm sure his busts of big name people were initiated through similar procedures (although maybe Spritzer never saw someone attempt to Structure a series of money transfers in order to get around the banking regs... something that modern pattern-recognition software can pick up easily. The Feds got him because Spritzer did the types of things that the Feds really know how to do).

Shifting suspicious quantities of money into shell corporations is just not a good thing, even if it's your own money that you're using to pay for whores.

Kohl: I'll do you one better, she is a whore [totally factual statement] but she also thinks she's too good for regular limp-dicks, going for the higher margin john. She's the worst combination of a hooker and a gold digger.

Well, to be fair, she apparently WAS too good for the regular limp-dick if she could pull down 5k an hour.

And at least the hooker is honest.

Granted, she may well be a horrible person (the wanna-be singer thing would point towards some idiocy), but being a hooker doesn't make someone one. Didn't you ever see Pretty Woman? Sheesh...

Weaver95: I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

I don't think prostitution is legal in NY.

Not like in London. Sheesh. Link (new window). NOT SAFE FOR WORK

Hell, NOT SAFE FOR HOME probably.

Discreet hotels, maybe.

TheFoy:
Well, to be fair, she apparently WAS too good for the regular limp-dick if she could pull down 5k an hour.

And at least the hooker is honest.

Granted, she may well be a horrible person (the wanna-be singer thing would point towards some idiocy), but being a hooker doesn't make someone one. Didn't you ever see Pretty Woman? Sheesh...

To be fair, my favorite comment on this was from a different thread "Anyone who could pull me out of that would crowned the king of England." I think everyone would hit it two times, but the facts are these: Jersey girl runs away to the big city to work on her music career [lol idol] and can't afford her manhattan lifestyle. Does she get a job? Find more affordable digs? No, she farks spitzer-looking-dudes at 2 grand an hour. I really can't say that she has my sympathy.

TheConvincingSavant: Weaver95: I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

I don't think prostitution is legal in NY.

well yeah, but the (now former) governor seems to be of the opinon that it's an ok profession.

Ok, here's what I don't get... She's a HOOKER! Yes, she's pricey, but she's still just a whore. How is she not being charged with prostitution and is instead cashing in on her "15 min"??

Weaver95: I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

IIRC, there is the possibility he used government funds and/or resources.

Plus, you know, prostitution is a felony in New York; a felony conviction means losing the right to vote, to possess firearms, to hold any position of fiduciary trust... stuff like that. I'm not sure about the requirements for impeachment under the New York constitution, but a felony fits the "high crimes and misdemeanors" term rather well.

Kohl: I think everyone would hit it two times, but the facts are these: Jersey girl runs away to the big city to work on her music career [lol idol] and can't afford her manhattan lifestyle. Does she get a job? Find more affordable digs? No, she farks spitzer-looking-dudes at 2 grand an hour. I really can't say that she has my sympathy.

given how much $$$ she's gonna make off of all this, I'd say that her career choice was working out for her. The facts are these: sucess in this country is measured by money. She's making a LOT of money and stands to make still more. By that standard, she's a sucess.

So lets dispense with the notion that she's somehow incompetent.

suckasmooth: Ok, here's what I don't get... She's a HOOKER! Yes, she's pricey, but she's still just a whore. How is she not being charged with prostitution and is instead cashing in on her "15 min"??

I guess that would depend on the circumstances. Technically, this wasn't a prostitution sting, and the people that found it were the NYT, not the police. If they choose to investigate, then maybe you'll see a charge.

Solon Isonomia: Plus, you know, prostitution is a felony in New York; a felony conviction means losing the right to vote, to possess firearms, to hold any position of fiduciary trust... stuff like that.

No, that's just for people like us. Spitzer isn't going to face jail time over this.

Wait and see - at the end of the day, he'll only lose his job and that's it.

Weaver95: Kohl: I think everyone would hit it two times, but the facts are these: Jersey girl runs away to the big city to work on her music career [lol idol] and can't afford her manhattan lifestyle. Does she get a job? Find more affordable digs? No, she farks spitzer-looking-dudes at 2 grand an hour. I really can't say that she has my sympathy.

given how much $$$ she's gonna make off of all this, I'd say that her career choice was working out for her. The facts are these: sucess in this country is measured by money. She's making a LOT of money and stands to make still more. By that standard, she's a sucess.

So lets dispense with the notion that she's somehow incompetent.

I'm saying she's incompetent. Just because she might luck out of the situation doesn't mean its by her own design. She couldn't make the connections as a singer, she was living above her means, and she was inadvertantly unmasked. It's not like she gamed the system and came forward, striking when the iron was hot to get herself a deal. She fell into this.

Aside from that, I wasn't even on about her being a failure, I was pointing out to the white knight crowd that there's no reason to feel bad about the poor little rich girl.

Weaver95: No, that's just for people like us. Spitzer isn't going to face jail time over this.

Wait and see - at the end of the day, he'll only lose his job and that's it.

The pragmatic side of me agrees with you. The calculating side differs; he pissed off a lot of people as attorney general. I wouldn't be surprised if the current New York AG as well as the various US Attorney offices in New York was being flooded with calls from half of Wall Street baying for blood.

There's a very good chance he'll be hung out to dry, thrown under the bus, screwed over, or any other euphemism. Hell, maybe William Dafoe's Green Goblin was right: New York City loves a hero but loves it more when the hero falls.

I feel bad for her. She's 22, and ran away from an abusive home as a teen. For all the arguments in favor of the legalization of prostitution, they often miss out on the fact that it's women with such backgrounds that are most drawn to it.

Not saying it should be illegal, she is an adult, and adults should be able to do what they want with other consenting adults in sexual matters. It sort of reminds me of the professional porn industry. It seems to attract a high proportion of those who have suffered trauma or addictions, yet, due to the internet, amateur porn is pretty much reigning. The biggest difference is that since it isn't an industry and there is often no money in it, or little money, it is populated with average people who just want to show off.

Prostitution, being private, is another ball game. After legalization, there would need to be some sort of cultural effort to remove the stigma attached to it, which would allow for people to tell their parents they want to be prostitutes like they can tell their parents they want to be bartenders or brewers. I know that is hopeless currently though.

Although, once you get to the hi-class prostitutes, you're going to find a number of normal women who are just in it for the cash and they have other jobs too (I recall a professor being busted a few years ago in the DC scandal).

It just bothers me that people, male or female, who are clearly damaged can be somewhat exploited by the culture at large. 5 years ago, at 17, she would have elicited sympathy. Now at 22, which is still very young, she is seen as another hot "whore".

Kohl: Aside from that, I wasn't even on about her being a failure, I was pointing out to the white knight crowd that there's no reason to feel bad about the poor little rich girl.

Rich as in she comes from money or rich as in she charges five grand a night? If it's the latter I doubt she's that rich; she probably doesn't keep the whole sum, let alone a majority of it.

I still say, there's something in the Hudson river water. Spitzer gets popped for cheating, but I guess the water is worse on the Jersey side, where it turned their governor gay.

Suicidal Writer:

It just bothers me that people, male or female, who are clearly damaged can be somewhat exploited by the culture at large. 5 years ago, at 17, she would have elicited sympathy. Now at 22, which is still very young, she is seen as another hot "whore".

It bothers me when I see people characterize charging $2000 an HOUR to hit it as exploitation. There are people out there who fit the description you gave. This isn't one of them. She has stars in her eyes and can't say no to the ballin' lifestyle.

Solon Isonomia: Kohl: Aside from that, I wasn't even on about her being a failure, I was pointing out to the white knight crowd that there's no reason to feel bad about the poor little rich girl.

Rich as in she comes from money or rich as in she charges five grand a night? If it's the latter I doubt she's that rich; she probably doesn't keep the whole sum, let alone a majority of it.

Even if she's taking home half, that's still an ungodly amount on ass. On one occasion, Spitzer paid $4300. at even two johns a month and 50%, she's taking home more than most 22 year old's with college educations. I say she did more than that, so yeah, poor little rich girl, living the ballin' lifestyle, working 4-8 hours a week.

Suicidal Writer: Not saying it should be illegal, she is an adult, and adults should be able to do what they want with other consenting adults in sexual matters.

The trick is the states use public health and safety justifications when it comes to anti-prostitution laws. Not just regarding STDs, but preventing domestic (or general) violence, mental/emotional abuse, and addressing some correlation between women with cervical cancer and married women with spouses who commit adultery or utilize prostitutes.

Granted, the recent research regarding the link between a virus and cervical cancer could lead to that issue being treated like STDs in an institutionalized sex trade (such as Nevada's testing standards)...

Kohl: Even if she's taking home half, that's still an ungodly amount on ass. On one occasion, Spitzer paid $4300. at even two johns a month and 50%, she's taking home more than most 22 year old's with college educations. I say she did more than that, so yeah, poor little rich girl, living the ballin' lifestyle, working 4-8 hours a week.

Not that I'm defending her (I have no sympathy and I think she should be prosecuted; she broke the law, knew she broke the law, and she's been caught), but this kid is living in New York City and is trying to maintain an image of high class. She's probably living decently, but she's probably as "rich" as the upper middle class idiots who bought McMansions: living beyond her means to maintain a lifestyle, or even just the image of a lifestyle.

I suspected as much. She's undoubtedly the new Jessica Cutler.

Beat hustler to the punch I see.

I just read this on CNN and looked for the nearest Spitzer thread:

When the Emperors Club VIP said it was sending Kristen, a call girl it described as a "petite, very pretty brunette, 5 feet 5 inches, and 105 pounds," Client 9 was pleased

/Very amused

TheFoy: (the wanna-be singer thing would point towards some idiocy)

She already made over $700,000 from her song being downloaded over a million times @ 98 cents a download, with her cut being 70%.

I'd say she's more successful than most 22 year old musicians already.

What annoys me about all this is the expansion of government power was geared towards giving the Federal government and FBI the tools to "protect America" from terrorists, not to protect America from a hypocritical governor with happy pants.

Personally, I think this was a gross misconduct of Federal power and resources. Look how easy it was for the Feds to get a warrant. Once they realized he was just soliciting prostitution, why wasn't the matter wither dropped by the Feds, who were looking for something altogether different, or handed over to state officials.

We may not like Spitzer, but his case shows the serious erosion of our personal freedoms. Why should we have to worry about informing our banks about modest transfers of money (under 10,000 dollars). Can you see how easy you can come under suspicion for buying a couple of motorcycles from Craigslist, or a home purchase.

Seriously, the Spitzer case is a sign of a serious breach of the abuse of police powers of the US government.

beoswulf: TheFoy: (the wanna-be singer thing would point towards some idiocy)

She already made over $700,000 from her song being downloaded over a million times @ 98 cents a download, with her cut being 70%.

I'd say she's more successful than most 22 year old musicians already.

DAMN!

I gonna make me a song and f**k some politician!

/better check the airline schedules and start hittin the bathroms!

Weaver95:
I still don't see what the dust up is over any of this. Assuming that elliot didn't use government funds to pay for his happy fun time, what's the big deal? Why resign?

Same reason I get all happy when Christian conservatives or others who have a morality kick get caught. Hyprocicy. I liked when Spitzer went after the bad apples in Wall Street and thought he would make a fine Attorney General someday. Now he is no better than Larry Craig with a (D) after his name instead of an (R).