Because she performs above & beyond in the postseason?

I'd prefer to see her entombed.

Uh.... I don't know who that Buddy guy is.... but are you really trying to imply that Madonna is not an important part of music history? Or are you taking issue with the "rock n roll" part? I don't think they have a pop music hall of fame, so maybe you can like... suck it up and get over it, aye?

Di Atribe: I don't think they have a pop music hall of fame, so maybe you can like... suck it up and get over it, aye?

They don't have a shoe shopping hall of fame either, so should we just use Baseball's HOF instead?

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a crock. Music that's so firmly anti-authoritarian should not have such a body deciding who should be canonized.

ThatGuyGreg: They don't have a shoe shopping hall of fame either, so should we just use Baseball's HOF instead?

Love her or hate her, she changed pop music. Do you take issue with Michael Jackson being inducted as well?

submitter: Buddy Biancalana

/as Ben Kenobi

There's a name I've not heard in...

/end Ben Kenobi

anal brazil men: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a crock.

Can I get that on a T-shirt?

His Wiki, in its entirety:

Roland Americo "Buddy" Biancalana (Born February 2, 1960 in Larkspur, California), is a retired Major League Baseball shortstop.

Biancalana played for two teams in his career: the Kansas City Royals (1982-1987) and Houston Astros (1987). He attended Redwood High School in Larkspur and was drafted by the Royals in the first round (25th overall pick) of the 1978 June Regular Phase draft.[1] Biancalana made his Major League Baseball debut on September 12, 1982, and played his final game on October 4, 1987.

Biancalana was a member of the Royals team that won the World Series in 1985. Despite having started only 35 games all season, manager Dick Howser benched regular shortstop Onix Concepcion in favor of Biancalana on September 20th. Biancalana started 13 of the next 15 games as the Royals won the American League West division by one game over the California Angels.[2]

Biancalana was the starting shortstop for the Royals in all 14 post-season games, playing error-free defense in every game, and was an integral part in several run scoring innings for the Royals in the World Series.[3] He batted .278 in the series with an on base percentage of .435, both well above his career numbers.[4]

He is a former field manager for the Amarillo Dillas of independent United League Baseball.

/saw him play at Omaha
//glad he made it to the bigs

anal brazil men: Do you take issue with Michael Jackson being inducted as well?

I couldn't give a shiat about any of this. It's in CLEVELAND for crying out loud.

anal brazil men: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a crock. Music that's so firmly anti-authoritarian should not have such a body deciding who should be canonized.

ThatGuyGreg: They don't have a shoe shopping hall of fame either, so should we just use Baseball's HOF instead?

Love her or hate her, she changed pop music. Do you take issue with Michael Jackson being inducted as well?

Absolutely. Pop music is about as related to rock and roll as Kraftwerk is to the Nazi party. Besides, is this supposed to be about greatness or about easily swallowed pap?

That said, yeah, Cleveland, who gives a flying fark?

/You know who else swallowed easily... oh wait, same chick.

madmann: Absolutely. Pop music is about as related to rock and roll as Kraftwerk is to the Nazi party.

Soul, country, r&b, disco, blues, folk, and gospel are other genres that RnR Hall of Fame inductees worked in. The term is being used loosely.

Besides, is this supposed to be about greatness or about easily swallowed pap?

You're a big classic rock fan, aren't you?

ThatGuyGreg: They don't have a shoe shopping hall of fame either, so should we just use Baseball's HOF instead?

Those 2 things are not comparable. I believe that is what is called a "false dichotomy." Madonna is incredibly influential to popular music. Pop influences Rock and vice versa.

Shoe shopping is not comparable to baseball so your dumb analogy is rendered useless.

Di Atribe: Shoe shopping is not comparable to baseball so your dumb analogy is rendered useless.

Clearly you've never met my ex.

Hey, "Burning Up for Your Love" was a rocker.

Seriously, how are you going to be a purist about what defines "rock and roll?" Johnny Cash is in there, you know. And any number of people who never touched a guitar.

And in the end, what does it matter? It's an empty honor anyway.

"she changed pop music"



ok I'll take the bait on that one.


What exactly did she change?
She sure pushed the attention whore envelope no doubt but what exactly did she change or innovate?

Did she revolutionize any compositional style or incorporate any new kind of musicality? What instrument does she master?
What is her songwriting style?

What about recording?
Any engineering or studio techniques she pioneered?

Other than a constant barrage of image related stunts--what has Madonna actually done?

No, it's the equivalent of putting Joe Montana in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Madonna was great at what she did; it just wasn't rock and roll.

The Rock N' Roll hall of fame is such a sham, that I doubt anyone would care if someone put The 84 Denver Broncos and Urkel in it. It's a crock of shiat.

Allow me to indulge myself by answering my own questions--

one quick google and this pretty much sums her up completely:
Biographyby Stephen Thomas Erlewine

After a star reaches a certain point, it's easy to forget what they became famous for and concentrate solely on their PERSONA. Madonna is such a star. Madonna rocketed to stardom so quickly in 1984 that it OBSCURED most of her MUSICAL VIRTUES. Appreciating her music became even more difficult as the decade wore on, as discussing her LIFESTYLE became more common than discussing her MUSIC. However, one of Madonna's greatest achievements is how she MANIPULATED THE MEDIA and the public with her music, her videos, her PUBLICITY, and her sexuality. Arguably, Madonna was the first female pop star to have complete control of her music and IMAGE.



I took the liberty of putting key words in CAPS.

Pretty much sums up her "achievements"

Queen attention whore.

Subby:
The better analogy would be inducting an overrated cricket player in the baseball Hall of Fame. I would suggest one, but I don't even know a legitimately great one. Cuz cricket's fer fags.

/no, i don't mean cigarettes

Wow.. i thought I was the only person here on Fark who used that obscure baseball name..

I have a friend of mine, and we always try to bring up obscure or semi-known baseball players from the early 80's..

Chet Lemon!

Nickleback is aural rape

They make Daughtry sound like Mozart by comparison

priestrape: Nickleback is aural rape

They make Daughtry sound like Mozart by comparison

Man...this idiot is obviously in the wrong thread. Dope.

craigdamage: She sure pushed the attention whore envelope no doubt but what exactly did she change or innovate?

I don't see big difference between "look at me I wear long hair/play abrasive music/worship Satan/paint my face/gonna eat this whole sandwich/'ll finish it later yay/../..." and "Look at me I roll on floor on MTV awards/released extremely controversial book featured strong adult content and softcore pornographic photographs depicting simulations of sexual acts^[1]"

Madonna inducted to Rock & Roll hall of fame.

Nine men on Fark subsequently get all hot and upset.

Film at eleven.

anal brazil men: madmann: Absolutely. Pop music is about as related to rock and roll as Kraftwerk is to the Nazi party.

Soul, country, r&b, disco, blues, folk, and gospel are other genres that RnR Hall of Fame inductees worked in. The term is being used loosely.

And I'm saying, it shouldn't be. If a rock and roll artist experimented with other genres, and incorporated them into his style, fine. If they are known primarily for another genre, well, that's a little different, isn't it? Or are you one of those people who think boys should be allowed in Girl Scouts?

Besides, is this supposed to be about greatness or about easily swallowed pap?

You're a big classic rock fan, aren't you?

You're an easily swallowed pap pop music fan, aren't you?

madmann: If a rock and roll artist experimented with other genres, and incorporated them into his style, fine. If they are known primarily for another genre, well, that's a little different, isn't it?

I'm just curious as to what your definition of "rock and roll" is. Some objective criteria I could use in deciding who plays "rock and roll" and who doesn't. And, while we're at it, a working definition of "primarily" would help, too.

The notion that Madonna doesn't belong in the Rock Hall of Fame is complete and utter "elitist music snob" BS. The woman was arguably the most popular musical performer of the eighties - without question, she is "in the conversation" with Michael Jackson and Prince.

A quick look at her wikipedia entry says she has 36 Top Ten hits (12 reached #1), tied with Elvis Presley for the most by any person in history. Her music in the eighties spawned tons of copy cats. She didn't just influence music, either - at the height of her popularity she had women ages 8 to 28 dressing like her and emulating all of her mannerisms.

Was she my favorite? No. But to say she's not deserving of entry in any Hall of Fame is ridiculous. I've actually seen music snobs recently make arguments that the Dave Clark Five (a band with one #1 hit) belongs in the HOF but Madonna doesn't. It's ludicrous - how these idiots stay employed, I have no idea.

<sub>craigdamage: "she changed pop music"

ok I'll take the bait on that one.

What exactly did she change?
She sure pushed the attention whore envelope no doubt but what exactly did she change or innovate?

Did she revolutionize any compositional style or incorporate any new kind of musicality? What instrument does she master?
What is her songwriting style?

What about recording?
Any engineering or studio techniques she pioneered?

Other than a constant barrage of image related stunts--what has Madonna actually done?</sub>

She sang the most hits. She also became the most famous. Since it's the Hall of Fame, I consider that a pretty good starting point for conteplating her induction.

What a pathetic joke the rock and roll hall of fame has turned out to be. WTF did anyone expect, putting it in Cleveland anyway? Yeah, put the whore in there, she sucks and so does the R&R Hall of fame.

/wonder how much she paid them to gain entry?

I love the crappy logic that Maddonna should be in the RnR hall of fame because Michael Jackson is in there. Well, no, the problem in MJ should not be in there either. Neither of them is rock and roll in any way. The better analogy would be putting a Rugby star into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It is a related game, might share some influences but, in the end, it is not he same game.

/Mojo Nixon was right, it is the Rock n' Roll Hall of Lame

anal brazil men: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a crock. Music that's so firmly anti-authoritarian should not have such a body deciding who should be canonized.

ThatGuyGreg: They don't have a shoe shopping hall of fame either, so should we just use Baseball's HOF instead?

Love her or hate her, she changed pop music. Do you take issue with Michael Jackson being inducted as well?

Yes. But only because he doesn't play rock and roll, and I don't believe he has influenced or inspired anyone to play rock and roll. Of course he's made some amazing music in his life, and I think he changed music forever. But has nothing to do with rock and roll. Same with Madonna

madmann: Pop music is about as related to rock and roll as Kraftwerk is to the Nazi party.

GODWINNED IN THE... *counts*... TENTH POST!!1!

Considering some of the males inducted into the R&R hall of fame Madonna is nowhere close to being inducted to the whore hall of fame.

"Leave Madonna alone!"

Uzzah: madmann: If a rock and roll artist experimented with other genres, and incorporated them into his style, fine. If they are known primarily for another genre, well, that's a little different, isn't it?

I'm just curious as to what your definition of "rock and roll" is. Some objective criteria I could use in deciding who plays "rock and roll" and who doesn't. And, while we're at it, a working definition of "primarily" would help, too.

As Louis Armstrong said about jazz, "If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know." While I see a small bit of overlap, most things are either obviously rock or obviously not. Come on, you're not arguing that "Madonna is a rocker!", are you? If that's the case, ok, you're entitled to your opinion, wrong as it is. For primarily, you could open a dictionary. Or we could just go with "first or most notably".

To those of you arguing that "rock" should include pop, rap, DISCO (for God's sake)... fine, then change it to the Generic Music Hall of Fame. That's what it is now anyway. I, for one, would support that decision.

Krack: The notion that Madonna doesn't belong in the Rock Hall of Fame is complete and utter "elitist music snob" BS. The woman was arguably the most popular musical performer of the eighties - without question, she is "in the conversation" with Michael Jackson and Prince.

A quick look at her wikipedia entry says she has 36 Top Ten hits (12 reached #1), tied with Elvis Presley for the most by any person in history. Her music in the eighties spawned tons of copy cats. She didn't just influence music, either - at the height of her popularity she had women ages 8 to 28 dressing like her and emulating all of her mannerisms.

Great, we're giving awards for popularity and fashion mistakes. We have an chart for popularity. It's called SoundScan. As far as fashion, who gives a fark? You get bonus points in music for that?

Krack: But to say she's not deserving of entry in any Hall of Fame is ridiculous.

See, and THERE'S the problem. ANY Hall of Fame? Well, surely not. I don't expect to see her in the Hockey HOF anytime soon. It's a Rock and Roll HOF.

"Hall of Fame" is just a term. It's meant to symbolize greatness in a field. If you argue that, then tell me: Do we elect players to the MLB HOF based on how much fame they acquired?

It's not a popularity contest.
It's not a SoundScan report.
It's not TigerBeat magazine.

At least, it shouldn't be. But what do I know, throw Mahalia Jackson, Luciano Pavarotti, Paris Hilton and Buck Owens in there. Not my worry. That's the joy of having it already suck donkey balls, I don't have to defend it.

Just sayin'.... it's not what it's advertised to be.

King Something: GODWINNED IN THE... *counts*... TENTH POST!!1!

You know who else liked to keep careful track of people's statements...? ;)


/And, no, The Dave Clark Five didn't deserve a place either, Krack... R&R, just not "great" enough.

I'd say it's more akin to putting Tony Danza in the Baseball HOF.

Madonna:Rock and Roll::Madonna:Acting

She recorded for Sire Records and she lived in New York City while doing it.

That alone gets her in.

I just love the fact that Iggy Pop, an exceptionally influential rock and roll artist not yet inducted for god knows why, is inducting Madonna into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame by covering some of her tunes with The Stooges. Anyone who can take this event seriously after knowing that is clearly delusional.

I'd say it's more equivalent to putting Joe Schilabotnick in the HOF.

/obscure?

joan jett and KISS still arent in there though.

R&RHoF is a bit crock-y

Are the Osmonds in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? If they are, then fair enough, let Madonna in as well.

It's not as if anyone actually gives a toss about the thing or believes membership is in any way correlated with rock'n'roll greatness. Well, maybe negatively.

Not at all, subby.

I can't stand that idiot, but she deserves her spot.

Well. it is caled the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent.

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame became a misnomer in it's second year.
It should be called the Pop Music Hall of Recognition.

I can't say anything that Krack hasn't already.

Marvin Gaye, James Brown, and Sam Cooke were some of the first inductees. I love them all but none of them are rock n' roll. Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame sounds cooler than Music Hall of Fame, so they went with that, but it's really the Music Hall of Fame. Madonna was and is a massive figure on the music scene since before the Hall of Fame even opened. It's not the most offensive thing in the world to let her in, it's not like they inducted Rush or anything. I'll burn the place to the ground when that happens.

I named an ice climb "Desperately Seeking Screws-In" in her honor, probably too obscure and not funny to non-climbers.

/I kill me
//Pro Tools and pitch correction should get inducted for allowing the severely under-talented to have a career in music
///Ella didn't need Pro Tools cause she could SING!!

NYZooMan: Well. it is caled the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent.

dingdingdingdingding

The RRHOF will be rendered meaningless until Rush is inducted.

\elitist music snob