Sad thing is, is that I am getting really in tune w/ politi-speak & see it instantly.

McAulliffe totally dodged the first question (as well as a few others) with misdirection.

... and horseshiat on the "No al-Quada" thing on Bill Clinton. WTC was bombed a month after his inauguration & the Org grew under his watch. 9/11 plans were already underway before he left office.

rocinante721: ... and horseshiat on the "No al-Quada" thing on Bill Clinton. WTC was bombed a month after his inauguration & the Org grew under his watch. 9/11 plans were already underway before he left office.

Watching that part made me want to SCREAM!

Make sure to watch the following panel discussion (here).

T. Dawg: rocinante721: ... and horseshiat on the "No al-Quada" thing on Bill Clinton. WTC was bombed a month after his inauguration & the Org grew under his watch. 9/11 plans were already underway before he left office.

Watching that part made me want to SCREAM!

Make sure to watch the following panel discussion (here).

~~~
Last night was one of the more enjoyable episodes. There was no "but .. but Bush" talk as McCain, Clinton & Obama are the only players for Vote 2008.

Sadly, they only briefly touched on the Kid Gloves that Obama is getting due to racial issues, but they nailed it that Clinton (woman) & Obama (Black) are pretty much being light on each other because of a taboo to call a spade a spade (no pun intended) w/ reference to gender or race.

Obama has become the Magic Negro^TM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

I look forward to the Democratic Party being torn to shreds over this.

/paleo-conservative
//hates neo-cons
///RIP WFB

rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

I am being overly factitious with that characterization.

But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience & the MSM is practically fellating him.

I love me some Bill Maher

rocinante721: rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

I am being overly factitious with that characterization.

But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience & the MSM is practically fellating him.

Read this (pops). Obama wrote this article for Foreign Affairs back in July/August 2007. This article IMHO goes way beyond what's actually described in his platform on his website. In short, it provides the justification and motivation for his position.

I read this article in September. I knew nothing more about the man other than that he was a freshman Senator from Illinois, and he was African-American. When I finished reading this article, I knew instantly that this was who I was going to vote for as President.

His foreign policy not only recognizes the need to repair the damage caused by the Bush Administration over the last 7 years, but it also recognizes the desperate need for a new type of foreign policy. It is this new type that we should have had under Bill Clinton, but his advisors, just like Bush Sr. and Bush Jr., are still fighting with the mentality of the Cold War.

The Cold War is over, and so is the bipolar world that ruled it (U.S. v. U.S.S.R.). We have been living in a multipolar world since 1993, and the complexity of that world makes many more demands on global leaders than ever before. Hu Jintao gets this. Putin and presumably Medvedev by proxy knows it too. So does Europe. We have been stuck in this routine without actually giving any examination to it, and without actually noticing that the world is moving on without us.

He says he wants to change this vibe. I say give him a shot. Our other choice is to continue failed foreign and security policy ad infinitum.

rocinante721: rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

I am being overly factitious with that characterization.

But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience & the MSM is practically fellating him.

Yes, by not bothering to fact check ANY of the criticisms against Obama, the MSM is totally fellating him. Right. As for political/military experience NONE of the possible candidates for either party have any executive experience. And military experience has never been a prerequisite for office.

rocinante721: But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience

For that matter, neither does Hilary, other than being introduced to various military guys during her husband's administration.

McCain has plenty of military experience, but he doesn't seem to have a lot of executive experience either. His experience is almost entirely in the Senate.

You know what though? I'd still rather have Obama over either of them. I no longer trust McCain to make the tough decisions without the influence of his lobbyists and Hilary is doing nothing but negative campaigning on issues that she's weak on.

All I can say about the presidential campaign anymore is:

I'm moving to Antarctica.


I CAN HAZ ME SUM PENGUINS?

Atillathepun: And military experience has never been a prerequisite for office.

Other than Ike and Washington, I can't recall anyone with significant military experience who was anything resembling "good" as President. Grant is considered one of the 5 worst Presidents we've ever had. Jackson might have served 4 terms, but he was pretty crappy in retrospect as well.

"But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience & the MSM is practically fellating him."

People seem to think the President writes the books and handles the logistic work for the country. Good management skills, intelligence, knowing the right people to put in charge of things, these are all presidential qualities that actually matter. Experience is meaningless, being President is a singular experience. There is nothing like it on Earth.

I'd think the train wreck that Hillary has been running shows what all her experience is worth. McCain I'm not so sure about. He managed to stay alive through all that lean time, but getting the nomination wasn't really his work...

Its a sure thing though that Obama and McCain have some real executive skills. Hillary has a hell of a time motivating anyone who doesn't think having a vagina is the most important thing in the world. I can't say the fact that she surrounded herself with useless sycophants when she thought her nomination was inevitable makes me feel good about her ability to pick em though.

Clinton will go down in flames.

rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

That term is a totally senseless term. Please stop using it. There have been TWO movies that fit that description - "The Legend of Bagger Vance" and "The Green Mile" - all other movies used to boost this inane theory (such as "Driving Miss Daily" or "The Shawshank Redemption") just do not fit that stupid mold if you take a moment to actually think about the films in question.

No, I didn't forget about Shaquille O'Neal's movie. That wasn't a movie. That was torture.

So, this is the "New Journalism"? Dodge the tough questions by blinking out the satellite feed?

lolmao666: People are voting for Obama only because he's charismatic unlike that evil biatch Hillary.

And Hillary get votes for morans womans who don't know shiat about politics and only vote for the female and because they loved Bill and not ``love`` but ``love``. They would fark him.

As opposed to a mouth breathing imbecile such as yourself who I can only guess is a Ron Paul supporter.

lolmao666: People are voting for Obama only because he's charismatic unlike that evil biatch Hillary.

You underrate the value of charisma. Being President of the United States is more than anything else convincing people to do what you want.

Of course, there is the fact that Obama's judgment has been shown to be better than Hillary.

Lando Lincoln: No, I didn't forget about Shaquille O'Neal's movie. That wasn't a movie. That was torture.

No, it wasn't. I believe the correct term is advanced interrogation technique.

karendotcom: I love me some Bill Maher

Ditto. I catch him every week.

Regarding this interview, I really could not believe that McAuliffe stooped so low as to reference a post 9/11 world for an excuse. It's such a dirty, evasive and dishonest claim that he sounded like a neo-conservative.

I'm unsure on technical difficulties, however. Maher's show has had a few here and there with satellite linkups, but it's only every involved a picture going blank. To me this looks as though someone at McAuliffe's camp literally pulled a plug.

lolmao666: People are voting for Obama only because he's charismatic unlike that evil biatch Hillary.

And Hillary get votes for morans womans who don't know shiat about politics and only vote for the female and because they loved Bill and not ``love`` but ``love``. They would fark him.

No, unlike the Obama supporters they leave their emotions out of it. Their support of Hillary Clinton is all about her policy stances, past experience, ability to debate and...



...well, you might have a point there.

This interview pretty much covers the main aspects of the Clinton campaign and dynasty.

Evasive answers to tough questions.

Answering tough questions with vauge bits of bullshiat.

I want to see Obama get the nod because after hearing the man speak and reading his ideas on policies I belive the man wants to be president in a genuine effort to make things better.

Clinton wants to be president because she wants to be president. She see's this as part of her career and a step up for her and those around her.

McCain is just another tool of the Republican party to continue our megalomaniacal oil/money/power experiment in the heart of the middle east.

Can you even call them that anymore? They aren't really Republicans anymore. We should call their party like the Shadow Impericals or something like that.

Would've been nice if Bill had said "Um, Osama was born after the year 2000?" or "How about the first WTC bombing?" when McAuliffe tried the "post-9/11 world" shiat.

I have always voted republican, but I think I'm going to have to go for Obama this time. If hillary gets the nomination, I'll have to go with McCain, though.

Lando Lincoln: rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

That term is a totally senseless term. Please stop using it. There have been TWO movies that fit that description - "The Legend of Bagger Vance" and "The Green Mile" - all other movies used to boost this inane theory (such as "Driving Miss Daily" or "The Shawshank Redemption") just do not fit that stupid mold if you take a moment to actually think about the films in question.

No, I didn't forget about Shaquille O'Neal's movie. That wasn't a movie. That was torture.

The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

I really, really wanted to take a swing at the dirty farker when he uttered the words 'post 9/11 world'.

fark. YOU.

We are trying to get these fear-mongering motherfarkers out of power, douchebag. Not replace them with fear-mongers that have a nice little 'd' in front of their names.

What InferiousX said.

darknys: Lando Lincoln: rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

That term is a totally senseless term. Please stop using it. There have been TWO movies that fit that description - "The Legend of Bagger Vance" and "The Green Mile" - all other movies used to boost this inane theory (such as "Driving Miss Daily" or "The Shawshank Redemption") just do not fit that stupid mold if you take a moment to actually think about the films in question.

No, I didn't forget about Shaquille O'Neal's movie. That wasn't a movie. That was torture.

The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

The Stand and The Shining were based on Books, and yeah, neither really fits the standard boilerplate of 'magical negro'.

rocinante721: Obama has become the Magic NegroTM who enlightens peoples lives by merely showing up. He is a Morgan Freeman film character.

Considering that he's played the character of God™ in a couple movies, sure. But nobody thinks Obama is God™.

starsrift: Lando Lincoln: No, I didn't forget about Shaquille O'Neal's movie. That wasn't a movie. That was torture.

No, it wasn't. I believe the correct term is advanced interrogation technique.

I think the current terms in use are "Highly coercive interrogation (HCI)" in the 1983 CIA "Human Resources" manual and "enhanced interrogation techniques" per wikipedia.

Oh, and you can trust me. Because unlikes some other Farkers, I can type using an actual ™ symbol.

Aeonic_Blue: I really, really wanted to take a swing at the dirty farker when he uttered the words 'post 9/11 world'.

fark. YOU.

We are trying to get these fear-mongering motherfarkers out of power, douchebag. Not replace them with fear-mongers that have a nice little 'd' in front of their names.

THIS.

I'm glad Bill took him to task for that. I used to like Terry but now he can shove it up his ass.

Bill Maher: the campaign is getting nastier...there is a lot of hate...

Terry McAuliffe: Well let me tell you about how awesome Hillary is...

wanker

"Things have changed in this post 9/11 world"?

So Hillary is running on being more like George W. Bush?

Terrorists and Al Qaeda didn't exist during the Clinton administration?

So now she is saying Bill Clinton and the intelligence people who warned George W. Bush about OBL and Al Qaeda were actually lying?

Bill Clinton needs to put that girl in line. She is f'n everything up good he did.

darknys: The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

The Shining: the "Magic Negro" most certainly did not fix everything.

Bruce Almighty and the Evan movie: the black guy was GOD. He wasn't a "Magic Negro."

What Dreams May Come: Cuba Gooding's character wasn't magical, nor did he make everything all better.

The Shining: the black lady did not make everything all better.

Maybe we should yell at Steven King for making all these black characters that have special powers. But then again, most of the characters in his books have special powers, be they black or white or what have you. But we focus on the black ones for some reason.

Aeonic_Blue: I really, really wanted to take a swing at the dirty farker when he uttered the words 'post 9/11 world'.

fark. YOU.

We are trying to get these fear-mongering motherfarkers out of power, douchebag. Not replace them with fear-mongers that have a nice little 'd' in front of their names.

I keep telling people that the Hillary camp and the GOP are blurring the lines between themselves more and more as the days go on. Pretty disturbing.

darknys: The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

I am just sick of the dumbass whitey character we currently have in office.

I really don't care what color the person is. You really think most people are prejudiced against white people and black people are treated better than everyone else by people?


You do know Obama graduated magna cum laude at harvard law school. I bet you didn't.


You know maybe that has something to do with why people think he is smart more than the color of his skin.

darknys:

The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

Hmm, so it seems that if a black guy appears in a movie, he better damn well not be a benevolent force or it's racist?

I'm going to go find all the movies where an old white dude has supernatural powers and make up a name for that. Magical Pale Wrinklebutt, perhaps.

I've been sitting on the fence for the whole campaign. But to hear Clinton's campaign manager use the term "post-9/11 world" just decided it for me. I'm voting for Obama.
/not that it will matter

Lando Lincoln: darknys: The Shining, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty, What Dreams May Come, and The Stand miniseries would like a word with you... and that's just off the top of my head.

The Shining: the "Magic Negro" most certainly did not fix everything.

Bruce Almighty and the Evan movie: the black guy was GOD. He wasn't a "Magic Negro."

What Dreams May Come: Cuba Gooding's character wasn't magical, nor did he make everything all better.

The Shining: the black lady did not make everything all better.

Maybe we should yell at Steven King for making all these black characters that have special powers. But then again, most of the characters in his books have special powers, be they black or white or what have you. But we focus on the black ones for some reason.

The magical negro doesn't make everything better, he helps or inspires the white hero and it's the WH who fixes everything. Obama can't be a magical negro unless you decide to view America, or at least white America, as the hero who needs to be convinced that he can still make a difference as long as he believes in himself....Yes, we can!

It was a really good episode. Too bad Maher didn't get to finish the interview.

Corvus: You do know Obama graduated magna cum laude at harvard law school. I bet you didn't.

I did, but that's trivial compared to being President of the Harvard Law Review.

Non-lawyers may not understand this, but that puts Obama in the top 10 legal minds of that year. And that's being conservative. He could have easily gotten a 200K+ job right out of law school. He choose to work for civil right and the poor.

Obama is really hard to attack, because he's acted far better than nearly anyone. The Clinton campaign claims that the GOP will attack him in various ways. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how.

Terry McAulife is a dirtbag.

Someone has been at wikipedia 'polishing' his entry and removing stuff, such as;

He turned a $100,000 stock investment in Global_Crossing, with the help of company CEO Gary Winnick, into a stake that he sold for $18,000,000 before the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in January 2002[ref]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/books/review/Perlstein.t.html?fta=y

Yeah, he made a fortune in the largest corporate bankruptcy in America (yes, bigger than Enron).

Everyone has a little evil spark in them. Most folks hardly ever notice. Most folks are mostly decent.

But a person in power... especially a person who seeks power... should never be fully trusted.

Think of the stanford prison experiments. Even the the most decent can be tempted. Even the most honest corrupted.

Never trust the ones at the top. Never trust your leader.

/not a tinfoil mad hatter, just a realist.

marksman: I have always voted republican, but I think I'm going to have to go for Obama this time. If hillary gets the nomination, I'll have to go with McCain, though.

Yup, same here.

So on Obamas side hard questions aren't asked.
And on Clintons side hard questions aren't answered.
Sure hope that extra pigment or vagina work out for the democrats.

sexy-fetus: So on Obamas side hard questions aren't asked.
And on Clintons side hard questions aren't answered.
Sure hope that extra pigment or vagina work out for the democrats.

What "hard questions" would you like to see Obama asked?
I suspect you're confusing "hard questions" with questions that Obama has trouble answering. Theoretically speaking, if a candidate is prepared for all questions, doesn't that make him, somewhat obviously, an extremely viable choice? The only thing that could be bad, is that if his answers are "wrong", in your view.

/ And btw, I'd just like to note that I find your username particularly disturbing..

rocinante721: But let's face it, the man has no practical Executive political/military experience & the MSM is practically fellating him.

Maybe you need to call the Waaaaaaaaaaahmbulance?

WAH WAH DEY DONT TWEET WIDDLE HIWWAWY DA SAME! NO FAYAH!

McAuliffe is sleaze. However, Maher is no genius when it comes to interviewing anyone or leading a panel. I always get the feeling it's not that he's not interested in the answers, but that he's just smugly asking things to make himself look good and say that he's influencing the race or whatever the issue is. That and his latest specials have really reeked of low-hanging fruit humor school of thought.

I enjoyed PC and even the first couple of years of the HBO show, but I find it tedious the past couple of years, especially lately with featuring like Matt Taibbi and Dan Savage who are simply mindless straight ticket guys. Am really hoping for more thoughtful conversation and fewer tools like Affleck and that guy from West Wing.

Neeek: Corvus: You do know Obama graduated magna cum laude at harvard law school. I bet you didn't.

I did, but that's trivial compared to being President of the Harvard Law Review.

Non-lawyers may not understand this, but that puts Obama in the top 10 legal minds of that year. And that's being conservative. He could have easily gotten a 200K+ job right out of law school. He choose to work for civil right and the poor.

Obama is really hard to attack, because he's acted far better than nearly anyone. The Clinton campaign claims that the GOP will attack him in various ways. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how.

Her claims in that regard kind of remind me of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon, where he's showing Elmer what not to do during the fight (biting, kicking, etc.) by doing it *to* him during the introductions: "None of this *bonk*, or this *smack*, or like so *chomp*...." By the time the general rolls around, he'll be well versed in dealing with dirty politics.

sicksad: Everyone has a little evil spark in them. Most folks hardly ever notice. Most folks are mostly decent.

But a person in power... especially a person who seeks power... should never be fully trusted.

Think of the stanford prison experiments. Even the the most decent can be tempted. Even the most honest corrupted.

Never trust the ones at the top. Never trust your leader.

/not a tinfoil mad hatter, just a realist.

Kinda guessing your ancestors were the ones kvetching at the back of the Moses wagon train:

"The desert. Some garden spot this is. How many years we've been following this schmuck? "A burning bush talked to me, now we gotta go that way", he says. Schlepping with shrubbery, some prophet. It's farcockteh, is what it is. Now Pharoah, there was an honest man. Don't push the blocks, you get a whipping. Simple instructions, who couldn't follow that? We give it up to go foraging for water in the cactus, half the time I gotta spend pulling needles outta my tokhes. Lochs and bagels every 6 months never sounded so good! Oy!"

mista_tibbs: Her claims in that regard kind of remind me of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon, where he's showing Elmer what not to do during the fight (biting, kicking, etc.) by doing it *to* him during the introductions: "None of this *bonk*, or this *smack*, or like so *chomp*...." By the time the general rolls around, he'll be well versed in dealing with dirty politics.

He's from Chicago. He knows dirty politics far better than her.

Maher the mindslut.