Stay the hell out of my Kroger, winos!

Oh, sure. First it's wine in the grocery store, then it's meth in the pharmacy, and the next thing you know you have people farking turtles in the street. Way to hold the line, Tennessee.

Haha, half of Kentucky is still dry, in Lexington you can now by alcohol on sundays in stores, that just happened a few months ago.

Yeah well come up and visit PA sometime. We have the weirdest ass liquor laws in the US. We can't even buy beer at the supermarket.

submitter: Prohibition surrenders.

Actually, it doesn't. Come visit PA sometime and you will see. We're only a little better than Utah with our alcohol laws.

Cases only, unless you pick up a sixer at the bar before you drive home. WTF?!
Have to make a special trip to the distributor for your beer. Wonky hours. No Sundays. Separate stores for liquor. The LBC has such a stranglehold on the system that I don't see it changing anytime soon. I'd be extremely suprised to see it changed in my lifetime, and I'm only 26.


/farking Blue Laws
//fark them

haha, eddyatwork, it only took eight seconds to have two people chime in on the absolute retardation of PA Blue Laws.

Well done.

Reggaenomics: The LBC LCB

/FTFM. Too early, not done coffee.

eddyatwork: weirdest ass liquor laws

I would hope that ass liquor is heavily regulated.

as much as i enjoy the idea of a giant scrap between the grocery and liquor lobbies, i've seen this issue come up for discussion many times only to get buried again after some key donations and vapid posturing.

i'll believe it when i see it.

Reggaenomics: We're only a little better than Utah with our alcohol laws.

Yeah, it's insane.

BEER:

You can purchase a case (18 or more cans/bottles) at a distributor. Monday through Saturday is pretty much until 11pm (or when the store closes), Sunday is noon to five, assuming they open at all. If you get a keg or three cases (I think) you have to sign for it as part of an underage party law.

A six or twelve pack can be purchased at a store that also sells food, like a sub shop, pizza place, and the like. There is a limit of 192 oz. per purchase so if you want two twelvers you literally have to buy one, pay for it, take it outside, then come back in, pay for the second, and take that outside.

Obviously bars sell sixers and that's pretty loose and fast.

Convenience stores and grocery stores don't sell.

WINE:

No cross-state sales of wine, no mail order of wine allowed to PA.

Only sold in liquor stores. No Sunday sales.

HARD LIQUOR:

No Sunday sales.

sarahthustra: a giant scrap between the grocery and liquor lobbies

Actually they will unite on this for several reasons.

The grocery stores don't want to deal with carding people and the liability of underage clerks who aren't allowed to sell alcohol. Liquor stores obviously don't want to lose business. Bars don't want to lose business. Restaurants don't want to lose business. It's all about the bottom line.

In PA when they finally allowed beer sales on Sunday, the biggest objections came from the beer distributors who didn't want to have to be open for a very low boost in sales. Other industries felt the same way as above.

I live in Tennessee and am pleased about this news. That said, since I live about three miles from the Georgia border, it was never that much of a problem, as just across the line they do sell win in the grocery stores.

However, we can't buy cigarettes in a liquor store. Go try to figure out the logic behind THAT law. Go ahead and try. I'll wait...

eddyatwork: Actually they will unite on this for several reasons.

actually, not so much. the grocery stores want the wine sales in tennessee, they're part of the group pushing the legislature to allow it. it would lead to an increase in revenue and they already have a state structure in place to deal with carding and other liability issues in grocery stores due to beer sales. trust me on this one.

Wow...I'm so glad I live in the hippie Democratic People's Republic of California. I think that there might be a law preventing alcohol sales early on Sunday, maybe. Otherwise, you can buy the hard stuff, beer and wine at grocery stores, convenience stores, wherever. And, we don't have the stupid restriction on ABV for beers, either like some states (like Oklahoma).

Reggaenomics: The LBC

What about Snoop D O double G?

Being from TN, and having moved here from PA, I can tell you that both states are retarded.

In TN, the liquor stores are just that: Liquor stores. If it doesn't have alcohol in it, they can't sell it. That includes things like shot glasses, keg tabs, nonalcoholic mixers, Alcohol-company-branded merchandise, and such. The only way they can sell, say a shot glass, for instance, is if it's included in the package with something that is at least 30 proof. None of the liquor stores around here can even sell beer. Of course, you can get that in the grocery store. (WTF?)

I don't remember PA's laws because I was underage at the time, but any state that elected Arlen Spector has to be retarded.

I went up to Illinois this past summer. We had a great time smoking in the grocery store and looking at shelves that had Jagermeister next to Beenie Weenies. There were bottles of Jack Daniels at the gas station, We bought our ice, beer, liquor, hamburger meat, hot dogs, and batteries AT THE SAME STORE, and it was wonderful.

uhm, Tennessee trifecta in play?

/got nothin'

Tennessee trifecta now in play?

now, if only Massachusetts will allow wine sales in grocery stores.

/don't live there.

the eidolon: eddyatwork: weirdest ass liquor laws

I would hope that ass liquor licker is heavily regulated.

sorry, pet peeve

I had to go to Omaha Nebraska for training once. What a miserable place. I went riding around trying to find a liquor store when the grocery store across from my hotel sold full liquor. That and the awesome steakhouse redeemed that horrid town for me.

That's one little thing I miss about Michigan, since I now live in Maryland. You can buy any kind of alcohol in just about any little grocery store, any day of the week, except (for some strange reason) on Sunday between like 2 and 7 am.

KellyLockhart: across the line they do sell win

I would really like to buy some win.

Tennessee Trifecta seems to be in play.

Do alcoholism rates actually decrease in states/counties with these complicated and convoluted restrictions?

/fark the Puritans and the hell they hath wrought.

dj_bigbird

The only restriction on the sale of alcohol in California is alcohol cannot be sold between the hours of 2am and 6am.

/drunks only have a 3 hour wait tomorrow morning

Very often the liquor manufacturers encourage stricter alcohol laws and package stores. That way they don't have to compete or spend money on advertising.

Reggaenomics: submitter: Prohibition surrenders.

Actually, it doesn't. Come visit PA sometime and you will see. We're only a little better than Utah with our alcohol laws.

Cases only, unless you pick up a sixer at the bar before you drive home. WTF?!
Have to make a special trip to the distributor for your beer. Wonky hours. No Sundays. Separate stores for liquor. The LBC has such a stranglehold on the system that I don't see it changing anytime soon. I'd be extremely suprised to see it changed in my lifetime, and I'm only 26.


/farking Blue Laws
//fark them

Texas removed the Blue Laws, back in the late 80s/early 90s. But would you believe Irving, Tx is dry as a bone? Can't even get a can of beer, much less anything else.

I live in Pennsylvania, so I get a kick out of antiquated liquor laws.

Wine? In a grocery store? It's madness!

eddyatwork: Yeah well come up and visit PA sometime. We have the weirdest ass liquor laws in the US. We can't even buy beer at the supermarket.


Shiat.

And I thought things were bad enough in The People's Republic of Washington with our state-run liquor stores.

Trance750

Texas removed the Blue Laws, back in the late 80s/early 90s. But would you believe Irving, Tx is dry as a bone? Can't even get a can of beer, much less anything else.

So do the high school kids go strait to meth?

"We feel like (alcohol regulation) is in a nice position in Tennessee right now. It seems to work for us, the consumers and the state," he said. "If we start making changes, that could lead to more changes, and then we might end up in a place that's not so nice."

WTF does "nice" mean? People use words without meaning when they either don't understand what they're talking about or they want to hide their true motivation. And I wonder what the president of the board that distributes wine could possibly be hiding?

The_Sponge: eddyatwork: Yeah well come up and visit PA sometime. We have the weirdest ass liquor laws in the US. We can't even buy beer at the supermarket.


Shiat.

And I thought things were bad enough in The People's Republic of Washington with our state-run liquor stores.

I don't think you can get booze in supermarkets in Jersey either...it's liquor store or bar.

In Virginia most grocery stores have their own wine aisle.

king_nacho: Haha, half of Kentucky is still dry, in Lexington you can now by alcohol on sundays in stores, that just happened a few months ago.

Yeah, that may be true, but Lexington is still a pretty drinky town. Ain't nothin' quite like a Liquor Barn.

/kinda like Kroger, but with a lot of alcohol.

You mean soon i can just pick up my giant box of Franzia at the Wallyworld while i'm getting the hamburger helper and dog food and all that other mess?

Yee-haw!!!

I hope they pass this. Not holding my breath, though. After all, they still make Jack Daniels in a dry county.

lelio: "We feel like (alcohol regulation) is in a nice position in Tennessee right now. It seems to work for us, the consumers and the state," he said. "If we start making changes, that could lead to more changes, and then we might end up in a place that's not so nice."

WTF does "nice" mean?...

"Nice" means - We think it is the job of government to latch onto laws from the Progressive era which were founded on the premise that it is the governments job to enforce your physical and moral health.

Butte, Montana FTW - Only town in the country with no open container laws!

That's one reason I love Vegas. The bars never close and you can buy booze 24/7. Bad part is to work in any establishment that sells/serves booze of any kind, you have to pay the county and take a class for a TAM/Alcohol Awareness Card. Add another 45 bucks or so if they happen to have a slot machine or two in there for a "Sherrif's card". Ah, well, don't drink and don't work in a place that has slots, so I'm not affected by either.

I like getting my wine at a liquor store where people know their shiat, and I doubt some kid at my local Stop-and-Shop is going to provide the same level of help.

Not that I want the state involved, though. I think it'd shake out okay for local liquor stores; I don't see a lot of mass-production crap wine on their shelves anyway.

So even Tennessee will be laughing at Pennsylvania soon. That's just plain sad.

Reggaenomics: /farking Blue Laws

Here here-- last night, I had a sudden craving for one of these--



(no shiat, I really drink this stuff)

-- but here, even at the 24/7 stores, one can't buy wine or beer after 12 PM except at a bar. So, when I'm at Sheetz,after waiting five minutes in line for the shiat-head in front of me to get the right brand of menthols-- the store clock says it's 12:01 AM, and I get turned away, un-beered.

OH, THE HUMANITY...
/srsly, Blue Laws suck.

In Mass. we voted this down last year. It wasn't about prohibition.

Because wine and beer aren't sold in grocery stores, there is a significant market for dedicated wine and beer stores. Because these stores sell tons of wine and beer, their selection is enormous. If you let wine and beer in grocery stores, the fear is that these specialty stores will go out of business or have to limit their selection. People weren't ready to give up their supply of Harpoon and Magic hat so that grocery stores could inundate them with cases of Coors and Becks. No one wanted Sam Adams to be what passed for "fancy beer."

Only Louisiana's and Nevada's liquor laws make any sense. 24 hour sales. Grocery stores can sell beer and liquor.

Brown Jug Liquor - Alaska's Friendly Spirits



Alaska is the worst state per capita for alcoholism. With stores named the Brown Jug I can see why. They just beg for overly hairy men that smell like urine to hang around drinking cheap vodka or whiskey from containers covered in brown paper bags.

/Also you can buy beer anyday of the week even at da Wals Marts
//Not that I am complaining

I, too, live in PA and I am getting a kick out of these replies...

I will be watching this with great interest. If it goes through, I will send this information to my legislator to let him know that we're on the fast track to becoming the most backward state in the union.

The funniest thing up here is that one convenience store in Altoona, a Sheetz, applied for and got a liquor license to sell beer. It went through, and the scramble went on for months about how that license shouldn't have been approved. For a few months, they had beer in the cooler, but they couldn't sell it. Not exactly sure what happened, but the lawyers for Sheetz apparently said, hey, we have a license, PA gave it to us, so we're going to sell beer. Now they are, and PA beer distributors and other lobbyists have their knickers in a knot. A few grocery stores here in PA have applied for licenses as well.

Not to mention the fact that PA won't issue any new liquor licenses. They have to buy someone else's that's going out of business, and it can only be transferred within the county, apparently.

/Vodak is teh evil in PA
//can't have license. not yours.
///you can has cheeseburgers in pa though, cheesesteaks, too

Nuuu: People weren't ready to give up their supply of Harpoon and Magic hat so that grocery stores could inundate them with cases of Coors and Becks. No one wanted Sam Adams to be what passed for "fancy beer."

This is retarded. Grocery stores in NC sell all kinds of high end beer.

UnoriginalAndrew
Only Louisiana's and Nevada's liquor laws make any sense. 24 hour sales. Grocery stores can sell beer and liquor.

Louisiana's drive thru daiquiri hut is awsome. They make some really good drinks at reasonable prices. Also gas stations sell liquor and beer 24/7

buys booze here:

In CT we can't buy alcohol after 8 pm or at all on Sunday.

Absolutely no logic there other than our puritanical roots.

/doesn't punish the heavy drinker, just the poor planner.