Good.

Clinton/Obama is like asking for chocolate and getting a handful of rabbit droppings.

Dream ticket? Whose dream? I don't want Hillary anywhere hear the White House.

If he were Clinton's veep he would be so far out of the loop he might as well stay in Chicago, and keep his senate seat.

If Clinton were his veep, he would have to watch his back every single second.

Hillary as president is more like a nightmare, regardless of VP.

The only person for whom I believe that that is a dream ticket is John McCain.

Is there a duh tag?

His campaign has relied on keeping their supporters motivated, plus he's winning, no way he's going to admit to considering fallback plans now. I'd guess he wants to remove any thoughts of creating an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama dream ticket from the minds of the superdelegates too.

MorningBreath: If he were Clinton's veep he would be so far out of the loop he might as well stay in Chicago, and keep his senate seat.

If Clinton were his veep, he would have to watch his back every single second.

Exactly what I came in here to say. For Obama it's the brass ring or nothing.

My dream ticket:

President



Vice President



/Vote Johannson/Fudgie 2008

Why would he want to be Veep in this situation? He has more delegates and will finish with more (even though he will not reach the clinching number). I hope they pick Gore and broker the convention and the dems lose big time. But That i slike the Boston Red Sox up 3-0 and they decide to let Colorado win the series

Obvious tag? If the superdelegates job him, he'll go back to the Senate with an 80% approval rating in Illinois. When the party begs him to run in 2012, he'll tell them to kiss his shiny coffee-colored ass. And in 2016. And in 2020. He *might* deign to run again in 2024. He'd still not be too old.

Even if he had every intention of being a vp candidate he wouldn't farking say that now, if he had people who could go either way might think, cool, I can vote for Hillary and get Obama too. Strategically it is a bad move to say such a thing so who really knows what will happen...

MorningBreath: If he were Clinton's veep he would be so far out of the loop he might as well stay in Chicago, and keep his senate seat.

If Clinton were his veep, he would have to watch his back every single second.

Plus, McCain has stated several times that he sees himself more as a one term president. Might as well have Obama stay in the senate and then go after the presidential nod.

hillbillypharmacist: Clinton/Obama is like asking for chocolate and getting brutally raped.

I have taken the liberty of fixing that for you, old chap.

Note that he repeatedly says it's "premature". Meaning in the unlikely event that Clinton does get the nomination, then it's time to consider whether or not he'd like to run as VP. Obviously he's going to shoot the idea down so long as he's leading.

He would have to be a complete moran to be her VP. That'd be a 100% guaranteed ticket to not winning the Presidency.

Being tied to the Clintons does not help. Ask Al Gore.

Bill couldn't even give Gore a win in Arkansas.

Good, but obvious. Hillary was offering VP idea as a way of asserting that she was ahead somehow and still magnanimous- neither of which was true.

...and he's even less interested in having Hillary for one, I'm guessing.

To me that sounded like, "Hell yes, I'll be VP if things go sour, but I'm winning so far, so I'm not going to talk about it."

duh? he can run again in four years on the "you shoulda elected me in the first place" platform. just like gore would have won in 2004 if he wasn't too busy flying around in private jets telling people to stop burning oil.

or he could win the ticket and the office. prolly better for him if he loses though... if he wins it'll be because he stoops to her (the "system's") tactics. If he does that he'll lose his popular support and his media velvet-glove-handling, and he'll lose the general election.

if he walks the talk and clinton takes the nomination in a decidedly underhanded way, she'll flail around with iraq (just like obama or mccain would do.. all you can really do with iraq is flail around) and the economy will continue to tank and health care will go nowhere. he'll take it away from her during the re-election primary. she'll easily be the least popular president ever, even behind bush jr. and nixon.

he was never in it to win it. he didn't think he'd get this far. now he's faced with winning by becoming his opponent or waiting another four years. Here's to hoping he'll continue to take the high road, lose, and come back in four years.

Lawnchair: Obvious tag? If the superdelegates job him, he'll go back to the Senate with an 80% approval rating in Illinois. When the party begs him to run in 2012, he'll tell them to kiss his shiny coffee-colored ass. And in 2016. And in 2020. He *might* deign to run again in 2024. He'd still not be too old.

yeah, because he has done so much for IL. ?He has been running for pres since the dem convention, 1/2 year before taking his senate seat.

but the goofs here will like him regardless...he is like Ditka to them

I don't think he necessarily needs to go full blown negative to get the nomination. Merely giving the press a shove in the right direction would do the trick. The press loves calling someone out when they screw up. Forcing Hillary to talk about her "35 years of experience" is one of the nastiest tricks he can pull, and he's doing it without being nasty.

generaltimmy: but the goofs here will like him regardless...he is like Ditka to them

Ditka vs. Obama....

He's one step away from a Tom Eagleton or a Gary Hart, as we all are.

When the GOP is done with him, most Fox viewers will believe he is a gangsta rap producer who writes lyrics for Ludacris and will offer Suge Knight cabinet level access to your SS info.

His supporters should be called Noobians.

He could be a JFK, he could be a Jimmy Carter. It will depend on the staff he picks. Right now he's a Jimmy Carter.

Yes, I'll vote for him and I'l be happy about it.

obama is in the lead. he should be the nominee. fark clinton. she acts like a spoiled lying whorebiatch and i greatly greatly disapprove of her character. she's like george bush.

generaltimmy: yeah, because he has done so much for IL. ?He has been running for pres since the dem convention, 1/2 year before taking his senate seat.

Yet he managed to vote against immunity for the telecoms while campaigning.

You know who didn't?

Donald_McRonald: generaltimmy: but the goofs here will like him regardless...he is like Ditka to them

Ditka vs. Obama....

Duh Bears.

Lawnchair: Obvious tag? If the superdelegates job him, he'll go back to the Senate with an 80% approval rating in Illinois. When the party begs him to run in 2012, he'll tell them to kiss his shiny coffee-colored ass. And in 2016. And in 2020. He *might* deign to run again in 2024. He'd still not be too old.

Exactly.

Assume he gets hosed and doesn't get the nomination. Either:

1. McCain wins. This will then destroy Hillary's chances of ever getting the nomination again. Democrats simply don't re-nominate General Election losers. By 2012, people will be begging Obama to run.

2. Clinton wins. She'll most likely suck and accomplish almost nothing despite having a Dem majority in Congress. In 2010 the Dems start losing seats in Congress, just as they did under Bill. She'll either lose to the Republicans in 2012 in which case Obama gets the nod in 2016, or she'll squeak by but her VP will be so weakened by his ties to her that Obama could get the nod from a Dem Party desperate for a change of pace in 2016.


The only reason Hillary keeps floating this 'Dream Ticket' talk is because she wants the option open for her to be the VP.

Obama has absolutely no reason to think about a VP slot, even for a moment forgetting the fact he holds the lead in every measurable metric in this primary season. He'd be buried by both Hillary and Bill and turned into a political non-entity. As you said, go back to the Senate, get the much vaunted 'experience' that seems to be the only argument the unwashed masses are buying against him, then crush all opposition whenever he chooses to make another run.

She has every reason in the world to want him as her VP, and he has absolutely no reason at all to want to be hers.

Fark you Hillary. If you manage to steal this nomination, you're going to have to win the general without Obama, and without many of his supporters' votes or money.

madmann: The only person for whom I believe that that is a dream ticket is John McCain.

Why does the liberal media hate the Democrats?

Oh C'mon Obama, the Back of the Bus is more Comfortable than the front anyway.

Hillary, look at a scoreboard You are Currently losing this thing 23-7-2 (Yes, Obama actually WON Texas despite what you saw on the news) It's late in the four quarter. Unless you've got Frank Reich (new window) as a campaign advisor, You are DONE. So please kindly STFU with all this "well Barack would make a good Vice president for me " bullshiat.

No you CAN'T have the top of the ticket. Not Yours.

Where's the pic of him biatch-slapping her?

/Need to save that one.

Magorn
Yes, Obama actually WON Texas despite what you saw on the news

Oh, come on! I thought the media was biased against Hillary Clinton! That's what her supporters keep telling me.

Ed Finnerty: generaltimmy: yeah, because he has done so much for IL. ?He has been running for pres since the dem convention, 1/2 year before taking his senate seat.

Yet he managed to vote against immunity for the telecoms while campaigning.

You know who didn't?

He voted against the amendment for immunity. He managed to skip the final vote on the bill that included immunity.

The two skipped the final passage vote for that measure as they headed back out on the campaign trail but McCain, who has a commanding lead for his party's nomination, stuck around for it.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/13/clinton-leads-obama-in-missed-senate -votes/

I'm glad he's said he has no intention of being a VP candidate. I think he ought to push it more. He can't risk losing voters because Hillary is dangling the "A vote for me is a vote for both of us" carrot. Letting people think for a second that giving her the nomination would let them have both of the candidates they like would be a bad tactical move on his part.

cltbuilder: He voted against the amendment for immunity. He managed to skip the final vote on the bill that included immunity.

The two skipped the final passage vote for that measure as they headed back out on the campaign trail but McCain, who has a commanding lead for his party's nomination, stuck around for it.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/13/clinton-leads-obama-in-missed-senate -votes/

I stand corrected and humbled.

/Just cranky because my three week old PS3 died last night. Waiting to go replace it this morning.

Ed Finnerty: I stand corrected and humbled.

/Just cranky because my three week old PS3 died last night. Waiting to go replace it this morning.

Hillary didn't bother to show up for either vote. :)

Ed Finnerty: Where's the pic of him biatch-slapping her?

/Need to save that one.

At your service, guvnah.

mferris: At your service, guvnah.

Thank you!

*saved*

I think a lot of people who would vote Obama will not do so if Hillary was his Veep.

Nemo's Brother: I think a lot of people who would vote Obama will not do so if Hillary was his Veep.

Amen. If the Democratic Party can't bring themselves to win with the country practically handed to them on a silver platter, they don't deserve the Presidency.

Nemo's Brother: I think a lot of people who would vote Obama will not do so if Hillary was his Veep.

And you are absolutely correct. Obama has nothing to gain by being Hillary's VP, she is the single most divisive person in US politics, and being associated with her will simply result in that hate rubbing off on him, and as for her being his VP, she brings absolutely nothing positive to the table with her. All Hillary can do is cost Obama votes.

If Hillary cared about anything more than Hillary, she'd have long ago withdrawn and put support to Obama, and distanced herself so as not to taint him (pause to get that thought our of your mind), anyone who thinks she is motivated by anything other than self interest is not, nor has been, paying any attention whatsoever.

The only positive thing Hillary has proved is that there is positively the same sort of idiots on the left as on the right, who are more than willing to vote for a candidate that is eminently unqualified for the office.

Hillary as a VP is really the only way I can imagine protecting the first black President from being assassinated by some racist asshat.

Having said that, none of the three remaining contenders offer anything significant. We're in for 4 years of more of the same.

redbucket: if he walks the talk and clinton takes the nomination in a decidedly underhanded way, she'll flail around with iraq (just like obama or mccain would do.. all you can really do with iraq is flail around) and the economy will continue to tank and health care will go nowhere. he'll take it away from her during the re-election primary. she'll easily be the least popular president ever, even behind bush jr. and nixon.

You forgot to add that Congress will fight her on every "policy" she tries to pass. The first time she tries to implement anything will be just like her Bill era health care plan: she'll piss off every congressman in her subliminal assertion that she's smarter than them, they will recoil and/or laugh out loud, she will wait out the remainder of her totally ineffective term having not accomplished anything.

I can see it now: she's crying in a press conference in her fake southern accent "but C-c-congress won't pass my healthcare bill. I was just trying to help you America..."

Richard Pye: hillbillypharmacist: Clinton/Obama is like asking for chocolate and getting brutally raped.

Me, I prefer to be gently raped.

Mentat: Nemo's Brother: I think a lot of people who would vote Obama will not do so if Hillary was his Veep.

Amen. If the Democratic Party can't bring themselves to win with the country practically handed to them on a silver platter, they don't deserve the Presidency.

Cette chose qui vous avez dit

Glad he finally responded and shoved her duplicitous conciliation in her face.

Wraithbane: Obama has nothing to gain by being Hillary's VP, she is the single most divisive person in US politics,

I wonder who is honestly more divisive - Bush or Hillary. The very fact that there's actually a competition there says all you need to know about whether she should be President.

Magorn: Oh C'mon Obama, the Back of the Bus is more Comfortable than the front anyway.

Hillary, look at a scoreboard You are Currently losing this thing 23-7-2 (Yes, Obama actually WON Texas despite what you saw on the news) It's late in the four quarter. Unless you've got Frank Reich (new window) as a campaign advisor, You are DONE. So please kindly STFU with all this "well Barack would make a good Vice president for me " bullshiat.

No you CAN'T have the top of the ticket. Not Yours.

+7 for the Frank Reich reference

Nemo's Brother: I think a lot of people who would vote Obama will not do so if Hillary was his Veep.

Yeah. Because too many of us believe that hiring a sniper probably isn't beneath her.

hillary's next strategy?

voodoo mind control:



no! obama, stop choking yourself! don't give in to her curse!