Hillary, Vice-Presidents are usually chosen because they add something positive to the ticket and can bring votes.

What exactly is it that you can bring as Obama's vice-president, other than motivation for thousands of Republicans who likely would have stayed home in November?

Seems to me that she only keeps saying this, so that when it comes time for Obama to pick a running mate, she can play the well-I-was-going-to-put-you-on-my-ticket-so-please-return-the-gesture card.

Quid pro quo, and all that. Except that...well, no..I guess I shouldn't really distinguish Hannibal from Hillary.

CalvinMorallis: Seems to me that she only keeps saying this, so that when it comes time for Obama to pick a running mate, she can play the well-I-was-going-to-put-you-on-my-ticket-so-please-return-the-gesture card.

Quid pro quo, and all that. Except that...well, no..I guess I shouldn't really distinguish Hannibal from Hillary.

Yep. Exactly.

ORRRR She's trying to come up with a way to mesh the freaking Democratic party. I mean it's been pretty damn even as far as votes go. Combining the two huge poeople into one ticket might do something to repair the rift. Of course supports are too busy going "OMFG Clintonz are da ebils!!1111" to ever think that this drug out race is just making the party hemorrhage money and handing the election to McCain.

So now she's trying to get votes by saying "If you vote for me that's like a vote for both of us" since she can't win the nomination on her own. Classy...

Screw you Hillary.

Gwendolyn: ORRRR She's trying to come up with a way to mesh the freaking Democratic party. I mean it's been pretty damn even as far as votes go. Combining the two huge poeople into one ticket might do something to repair the rift. Of course supports are too busy going "OMFG Clintonz are da ebils!!1111" to ever think that this drug out race is just making the party hemorrhage money and handing the election to McCain.

ORRR the reason the party's hemorrhaging money in this drug out race is in the pantsuits.

I would think there is a very, very slim chance that Obama would agree to be her VP, and ZERO chance he would take her as his VP. I would hope.

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton for President, regardless of who is in the VP spot. Period. I disagree with a large part of her platform, I do not like her leadership style, and I care even less for her politics.

Why can't it be as simple as that?

Obama leads and continues to lead in fundraising, pledged delegate count, number of states won, and the popular vote, with and without Florida and Michigan.

The arrogance it takes to say, "Oh, I will gladly make Obama my Vice-President", as if it were a token to be dangled in front of the little people who dared to stray away, is nothing short of astounding. It smacks of a level of elitism that is just simply unimaginable.

He is winning. She is not. She is in no position to offer anything from a state of grace.

Fark that. If she gets the nomination, fark her and the horse she rode in on. She won't win in November, and if I were Obama, I would refuse to attach myself to her. She is a monster and a dirty politician. She wants to win so bad she is willing to burn the house down to try to do it, then she can attempt to salvage what is left of the democratic party when it is all done.

Gwendolyn: ORRRR She's trying to come up with a way to mesh the freaking Democratic party. I mean it's been pretty damn even as far as votes go. Combining the two huge poeople into one ticket might do something to repair the rift. Of course supports are too busy going "OMFG Clintonz are da ebils!!1111" to ever think that this drug out race is just making the party hemorrhage money and handing the election to McCain.

I won't lie: I am one of those "OMFG Clintonz are da ebils" people to whom you're referring; however, it should be ridiculously clear at this point that primaries and general elections are two different beasts. Yes, the two candidates may be fairly even in primary contests, but that doesn't mean they would be both perform at the same level as one another in a general.

Obama has crossover appeal. Clinton does not. It's really that simple.

Gwendolyn: ORRRR She's trying to come up with a way to mesh the freaking Democratic party. I mean it's been pretty damn even as far as votes go. Combining the two huge poeople into one ticket might do something to repair the rift.

A rift created by her own actions. She should not be awarded for behaving badly. Her latest bull shiat with praising McCain and all but endorsing him for President if she doesn't get the nomination is beyond the pale. She is a Lieberman Democrat, and has shown a horrendous willingness to throw the party under the bus to stroke her own ego.

The straight up fact is that if she drops out pretty much all of her supporters (except for the freaks at hillaryis44.com) are going to swallow their pride and back Obama. The same is not true going the other direction.

big_pth: Fark that. If she gets the nomination, fark her and the horse she rode in on. She won't win in November, and if I were Obama, I would refuse to attach myself to her. She is a monster and a dirty politician. She wants to win so bad she is willing to burn the house down to try to do it, then she can attempt to salvage what is left of the democratic party when it is all done.

Didn't you resign today? ;)

Code_Archeologist: She should not be awarded for behaving badly

I agree with that. So far, except in corporate media, she hasn't. She's won two out of the last 16 contests. She's not a winner.

cameroncrazy1984: Code_Archeologist: She should not be awarded for behaving badly

I agree with that. So far, except in corporate media, she hasn't. She's won two out of the last 16 contests. She's not a winner.

Except that, you know, it's her turn, so fark you.

Gwendolyn: ORRRR She's trying to come up with a way to mesh the freaking Democratic party. I mean it's been pretty damn even as far as votes go. Combining the two huge poeople into one ticket might do something to repair the rift. Of course supports are too busy going "OMFG Clintonz are da ebils!!1111" to ever think that this drug out race is just making the party hemorrhage money and handing the election to McCain.

if that's the case, she needs to let the person who's winning the race take the reigns on the issue. she can say she's open to the idea of being on his ticket, but other than that she needs to stop talking.

Nope...I am a concerned democrat, who wants a decent candidate instead of a snarling schizo as the nominee

Whoops. Looks like we're going green, kids.

I hope this is just evidence she's in the 3rd of the 5 stages of grief, which is bargaining.

Denial - Obvious she has done this,
Anger - "SHAME ON YOU!"
Bargaining - "I can haz same tikket?"
Depression - "Why is everyone picking on me..?" (You know we will get much more of this)
Acceptance - "I hereby suspend my campaign."

The last two are just thinks I hope happen.

DamnYankees: I hope this is just evidence she's in the 3rd of the 5 stages of grief, which is bargaining.

Denial - Obvious she has done this,
Anger - "SHAME ON YOU!"
Bargaining - "I can haz same tikket?"
Depression - "Why is everyone picking on me..?" (You know we will get much more of this)
Acceptance - "I hereby suspend my campaign."

The last two are just thinks I hope happen.

I respect you more than I do the average farker, bud, but I gotta say: you're way off. I haven't seen any evidence that she's moved past denial, yet.

DamnYankees
Denial - Obvious she has done this,
Anger - "SHAME ON YOU!"
Bargaining - "I can haz same tikket?"
Depression - "Why is everyone picking on me..?" (You know we will get much more of this)
Acceptance - "I hereby suspend my campaign."

OMFG. That is the funniest thing EVAR.

She's already kind of been VP, so I doubt she's interested in that.

And I think she's pretty much burned her bridge when it comes to Obama, so I doubt he's interested either.

Frankly, I'm getting sick of seeing both them 24/7 during the friggin campaign. I can't imagine 8 years! ;-)

If you are going to take out the Clintons, you better cover them with at least six feet of dirt. Adding her to the ticket is like inviting Hannibal Lector in for Dinner.

CalvinMorallis: DamnYankees: I hope this is just evidence she's in the 3rd of the 5 stages of grief, which is bargaining.

Denial - Obvious she has done this,
Anger - "SHAME ON YOU!"
Bargaining - "I can haz same tikket?"
Depression - "Why is everyone picking on me..?" (You know we will get much more of this)
Acceptance - "I hereby suspend my campaign."

The last two are just thinks I hope happen.

I respect you more than I do the average farker, bud, but I gotta say: you're way off. I haven't seen any evidence that she's moved past denial, yet.

Oh, I agree. I don't think she's going to go down this path. I just hope she does and we're seeing the symptoms.

Lets just make this abundantly clear for anybody who might still support Clinton. Yesterday she poisoned the well by saying that only her and McCain were qualified to be President.

She aims to destroy the party's chances in November if she doesn't win the nomination. This crap about letting Barack be her VP is patronizing and shallow. She is offering it up because she knows that she can mortally wound the party if they do not back her, but she also knows that she cannot win unless she can get Obama's supporters.

I say to hell with her. I am going to donate even more money to the Obama campaign (I can hold off getting the new furniture for another month). I am going to volunteer to do more phone banking, I will do it through the entire Summer if I have to. Then after that is done, and she has lost the nomination, I will support who ever steps forward to challenge her in the primary for her Senate seat. We purged Lieberman for pulling the same shiat she is doing, and she will not be shielded from retribution just because she is a Clinton.

Maybe the democratic leadership really do hate her as much as they should...is it possible they're letting her tail-spin, just so they'll have legitimate excuse to ostracize her?

I can't imagine her settling for a VP slot after over two decades of planning for this. I think she'd rather see McCain beat Obama and take another crack at it in 2012 instead of waiting for 2018, when she'll be pushing 70 herself. Just my two cents.

Hillary Clinton once again suggests Clinton/Obama ticket for the general election



/ someone needs to drop a house on her

Nabb1: I can't imagine her settling for a VP slot after over two decades of planning for this. I think she'd rather see McCain beat Obama and take another crack at it in 2012 instead of waiting for 2018, when she'll be pushing 70 herself. Just my two cents.

You are absolutely correct in that assessment. She knows that she has this one lost, she is just trying to wreck the party so that no other Democrat can get in there. Then she will have a shot for 2012.

Obama can't pick her as his running mate, her style of politics conflict way too much with the change he is trying to bring to politics. If he does pick her (probably because he was forced) then i will lose a lot of respect for him.

Also and this I can't emphasize enough... DO NOT LET YOUR LIFE BE ALL THAT STANDS BETWEEN HER AND HER GOALS!

Code_Archeologist: Nabb1: I can't imagine her settling for a VP slot after over two decades of planning for this. I think she'd rather see McCain beat Obama and take another crack at it in 2012 instead of waiting for 2018, when she'll be pushing 70 herself. Just my two cents.

You are absolutely correct in that assessment. She knows that she has this one lost, she is just trying to wreck the party so that no other Democrat can get in there. Then she will have a shot for 2012.

If she does that though, there's NO WAY IN HELL they nominate Hillary in 2012. They'd be more likely to nominate Michelle Obama.

CalvinMorallis: Maybe the democratic leadership really do hate her as much as they should...is it possible they're letting her tail-spin, just so they'll have legitimate excuse to ostracize her?

I'm not so sure. At least as far as Dr. Dean is concerned. I think he, like the Clintons themselves, thought Hillary was going to slide through the campaign. They weren't expecting a real race. Othewise Dean would have kept Florida and Michigan in play. Now it's come back to bite them all in the ass. She wants the delegates as is. Dean's trying to save face. It would be funny to observe if it weren't so damned important.

Diogenes: CalvinMorallis: Maybe the democratic leadership really do hate her as much as they should...is it possible they're letting her tail-spin, just so they'll have legitimate excuse to ostracize her?

I'm not so sure. At least as far as Dr. Dean is concerned. I think he, like the Clintons themselves, thought Hillary was going to slide through the campaign. They weren't expecting a real race. Othewise Dean would have kept Florida and Michigan in play. Now it's come back to bite them all in the ass. She wants the delegates as is. Dean's trying to save face. It would be funny to observe if it weren't so damned important.

Dean hates the Clintons, though. Why would he be on their side in this?

ODDwhun:

DO NOT LET YOUR LIFE BE ALL THAT STANDS BETWEEN HER AND HER GOALS!



/ a message from beyond the grave ? [insert scary ghost noises here]

She can offer Obama VP all she wants; after all the crap she's pulled trying to win this primary, I highly doubt he'd accept.

I'd vote Nader if it comes down to Clinton vs McCain. I'm not voting for another hawkish corporate politician.

And if she finagles her way into overturning the pledged delegate count at the convention, or seats FL/MI without a revote, I'll be middle-aged before I consider voting for any Democrat again.

DamnYankees: If she does that though, there's NO WAY IN HELL they nominate Hillary in 2012. They'd be more likely to nominate Michelle Obama.

People have short attention spans. And if you read the exit polling, the majority of her supporters are not part of a demographic that would be described as savvy media consumers.

DamnYankees: Dean hates the Clintons, though. Why would he be on their side in this?

"Politics makes for strange bedfellows" is the best I can suggest. Maybe Obama hasn't supplicated himself enough to Dean. Maybe the Clintons made some deals with him. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Diogenes: DamnYankees: Dean hates the Clintons, though. Why would he be on their side in this?

"Politics makes for strange bedfellows" is the best I can suggest. Maybe Obama hasn't supplicated himself enough to Dean. Maybe the Clintons made some deals with him. Nothing surprises me anymore.

But what is your evidence that at any point in this process Dean has shown favoritism to the Clintons? I think he's being pretty impartial so far.

DamnYankees: But what is your evidence that at any point in this process Dean has shown favoritism to the Clintons? I think he's being pretty impartial so far.

I didn't intend to characterize it as favoritism - though I apologize if I did. It was more like resigned acceptance. No one really expected Obama do this well.

Diogenes: DamnYankees: But what is your evidence that at any point in this process Dean has shown favoritism to the Clintons? I think he's being pretty impartial so far.

I didn't intend to characterize it as favoritism - though I apologize if I did. It was more like resigned acceptance. No one really expected Obama do this well.

Hm, I think I see it the complete 180. I interpert Dean right now as restrained glee. He LOVES seeing Obama take down the Clintons, but can't show it. So he's trying to come off as impartial as possible.

DamnYankees: Hm, I think I see it the complete 180. I interpert Dean right now as restrained glee. He LOVES seeing Obama take down the Clintons, but can't show it. So he's trying to come off as impartial as possible.

I have to agree with this one. It is an open secret among the Clinton camp that they do not like Dean and are planning on forcing him out if she becomes President. That her grand plan of inevitability has crashed and burned has got to be making him dance for joy when he is alone in his office.

Code_Archeologist: It is an open secret among the Clinton camp that they do not like Dean and are planning on forcing him out if she becomes President. That her grand plan of inevitability has crashed and burned has got to be making him dance for joy when he is alone in his office

Exactly. In the meantime, though, as has been pointed out by others, he has to pretend to be impartial.

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At least that's the sincere hope that keeps me from quaking too much as I try to sleep at night.

She needs him. He doesn't want or need her. He'd be insane to take her.

Obama/Clark

She knows he won't take it.

Empty claims.

Oh wait, this is Hillary.
They're ALL empty.

Headso: Obama/Clark

WANT

A depressing post from Andrew Sullivan:

"Jon Chait on the fratricidal maniac that is Hillary Clinton. Money quote:

Pennsylvania is a swing state that Democrats will almost certainly need to win in November, and Clinton will spend seven weeks and millions of dollars there making the case that Obama is unfit to set foot in the White House. You couldn't create a more damaging scenario if you tried.

If she cannot win the White House, she wants McCain to beat Obama. She is clearing the ground for him. A reader points out what the Clintons' next move would be as McCain takes office:

She and her numerous supporters will view this as a repudiation of Obama, not Clinton. If he loses the general election as a result of this, it will prove her right all along-that the only way to further the Democratic agenda is to beat the Republicans at their game. New politics will have been a sham. If the victors write the history books, then the triumph of cynicism will not be cause for despair, but rather cause for celebration of the one cynic who saw all this, and tried to save us hopemongers from ourselves.

This is the Golden Rule about the Clintons - and take it from someone like me who actually endorsed the guy in 1992 and came to see what lies beneath: it's always, always, always about them."

It's a bait and switch! Don't fall for it!