Of course this won't even be mentioned in the mainstream media, because they've been just too tough on Hillary.

It doesn't matter. She already got her headlines, and her media swooning, which has already justified her staying the race.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *gasp* HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, Hillary. You don't mess with Texas ;)

Senator Clinton will prevail!

It's her destiny.

Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

This was on CNN last night. I wasn't paying full attn since I was cooking, but they pretty much said Hillary took the popular vote, Obama took the delegates. I thought "Florida".

2wolves: Senator Clinton will prevail!

It's her destiny density.

FTFY ;)

hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

And the people's votes drive the delegate counts.

hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

What country are you from?

hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

then gore......nevermind

I fear this is destined to end in courtroom shenanigans with hard feelings all around Democratic circles and a smiling President McCain...

reverendfitty: hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

then gore......nevermind

I was just going to say, get ready to watch the cognitive dissonance as the same people who thought the electoral college was unfair in 2000 go "YAY OBAMA, DELEGATES NOT VOTES!" now.

/Obama supporter and electoral college acceptor, for the record
//system could use some tweaks for sure though.
///It'll be even funnier if Hill wins the total popular vote by the convention
////Did I say funnier? I meant scarier.

Best news I've heard today.

SpinStopper: 2wolves: Senator Clinton will prevail!

It's her destiny density.

FTFY ;)

Hahaha. Awesome.

BTW, this makes me take back some of the bad things I've said about Texas. However, there's a lot backlogged.

Raiden333: reverendfitty: hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

then gore......nevermind

I was just going to say, get ready to watch the cognitive dissonance as the same people who thought the electoral college was unfair in 2000 go "YAY OBAMA, DELEGATES NOT VOTES!" now.

I have a LOT of issues with the 2000 election, but none were with the Electoral College itself. I can say with confidence that almost all my liberal friends feel the same.

/almost all...

They sound too willing to have him as president.

The media knew all this. This big "3 win" headlines weren't in support of Hillary, they were in support of ratings. Big headlines. Big ratings. Lots to talk about now that Hillary's "made a comeback".

They'll change once the caucus is counted. "Obama takes Texas, shifts momentum back" Big headline, big ratings. They'll ask to throw a confetti party for Obama to add to the drama. Nothing to see here.

So that reduces Hillary's net delegate gain from Tuesday to, what, 9 delegates?

May all her victories be as decisive.

So.

If Senator Clinton ends up with fewer Texas delegates than Senator Obama,
- Will she congratulate Senator Obama?
- Will the media update their scorecards to show Texas as a "win" for Senator Obama?

BuckTurgidson: So.

If Senator Clinton ends up with fewer Texas delegates than Senator Obama,
- Will she congratulate Senator Obama?
- Will the media update their scorecards to show Texas as a "win" for Senator Obama?

- Hahahahaha
- Only if they can present it as OBAMA'S AMAZING COME FROM BEHIND LAST SECOND HALF COURT 95-YARD FAT-LADY-INTERRUPTING COMEBACK FROM OUT OF NOWHERE WIN!!!!!! Because they know people would watch that shiat.

BuckTurgidson: So.

If Senator Clinton ends up with fewer Texas delegates than Senator Obama,
- Will she congratulate Senator Obama?
- Will the media update their scorecards to show Texas as a "win" for Senator Obama?

Considering they don't count Nevada as a win for Obama, I doubt they'll count Texas as a win for Obama.

DamnYankees: It doesn't matter. She already got her headlines, and her media swooning, which has already justified her staying the race.

This - Texas is old news. Now, can anyone explain to me WHY they've got to figure out who they vote for twice, especially when the lesser vote is the outdated farmer BS?

This whole process thought up by the dems is utterly ridiculous and confusing.

Welcome to three weeks ago, when anybody who understood the Texas Twostep realized that Obama was getting more delegates under any viable scenario.

I was just going to say, get ready to watch the cognitive dissonance as the same people who thought the electoral college was unfair in 2000 go "YAY OBAMA, DELEGATES NOT VOTES!" now.


What people?

I don't think anyone thought Gore should have been declared president because of winning the popular vote. Everyone knew the rules and everyone knew that Bush and Gore both based their startegies on the rules (ie, Gore would have focused on getting out the vote in big dem states instead of fighting over swing states if it was popular vote that decided)

People in 2000 where just using Gore/Bush as evidence that the electoral college NEEDS to be thrown away, as in for future contests. Not that it should be thrown away retroactively to help Gore.

Jubeebee: BuckTurgidson: So.

If Senator Clinton ends up with fewer Texas delegates than Senator Obama,
- Will she congratulate Senator Obama?
- Will the media update their scorecards to show Texas as a "win" for Senator Obama?

- Hahahahaha
- Only if they can present it as OBAMA'S AMAZING COME FROM BEHIND LAST SECOND HALF COURT 95-YARD FAT-LADY-INTERRUPTING COMEBACK FROM OUT OF NOWHERE WIN!!!!!! Because they know people would watch that shiat.

cnn.com hasn't changed the caucus results since yesterday morning i don't think.

SpinStopper: 2wolves: Senator Clinton will prevail!

It's her destiny density.

FTFY ;)

You old meanie!

Just you wait.

generaltimmy2008-03-06 01:36:07 PM
This whole process thought up by the dems is utterly ridiculous and confusing.

I think the Republican process is way stupider, actually. Winner takes all in the primaries is idiotic because it basically gives the nomination to whoever can eek out a few early wins.

That means the Republicans are stuck with McCain, an option the vast majority of republicans did not want, because he won SC and Florida by a few measly points.

It doesn't matter, the damage is done.

Looking at realclearpolitics, the polls have swung recently nationally and in PA.

It doesn't matter who has more 100 more delegates if nobody has enough heading into the convention. If it looks like Hillary has more momentum, she'll get the Nom nom nom.

Politics is more about appearance than just facts

Texas has the most absolutely retarded primary system ever. If the democrats down there are too stupid to actually have a decent voting system, then they brought this whole mess on themselves.

Texas, It's like whole other country.

It's good to be back in the charge of f*cking up national level politics. Florida and Ohio had been hogging all the lime-light lately.

burndtdan: cnn.com hasn't changed the caucus results since yesterday morning i don't think.

Heck, they are showing Michigan and Florida has wins for Hillary on CNN.com. Why not add Texas into that 'wtf do you qualify as victory' column too? It'll make her feel better.

It doesn't matter who has more 100 more delegates if nobody has enough heading into the convention. If it looks like Hillary has more momentum, she'll get the Nom nom nom.

Politics is more about appearance than just facts

Wyoming and Mississippi will blunt that momentum for Hillary.

Powerslacker: Welcome to three weeks ago, when anybody who understood the Texas Twostep realized that Obama was getting more delegates under any viable scenario.



So....nobody?

Raiden333: I was just going to say, get ready to watch the cognitive dissonance as the same people who thought the electoral college was unfair in 2000 go "YAY OBAMA, DELEGATES NOT VOTES!" now.

It's not cognitive dissonance. We were pissed that Gore lost because votes for Gore were not counted, not because Bush got more EC delegates (or whatever they are called). We (at least I) fully understand that it is possible for a candidate to lose the election even though they had a larger popular vote count. It sucks when it happens, but hey, them's the rules.

And besides, Obama is winning both in delegate count and popular vote count at this point in time.

Momentum is useful only if you use it to gain something. Obama used his momentum to rack up a huge 140+ delegate lead on Clinton. Clinton has momentum now but is faced with Wyoming and Mississippi plus a 7-week break between now and Pennsylvania. It's very much a case of being all dressed up with nowhere to go.

Not to mention, if Obama didn't get real momentum after 11 straight wins with an average of 33 point victory spread, then I doubt Clinton will get much after 3/4 wins with only like an 8 point spread.

Godscrack: They sound too willing to have him as president.

If it makes you feel better, when you're around we'll be all like, "Meh. Obama is okay I guess." Then when you leave we'll actually be excited about Obama representing us. We wouldn't want to break your fragile "creeped-out" meter or anything.

El Uno Magnifico: Momentum is useful only if you use it to gain something. Obama used his momentum to rack up a huge 140+ delegate lead on Clinton. Clinton has momentum now but is faced with Wyoming and Mississippi plus a 7-week break between now and Pennsylvania. It's very much a case of being all dressed up with nowhere to go.

Exactly. I haven't looked at the polling for Wyoming or Mississippi but if Hillary's campaign strategy remains constant we should expect to hear that they don't matter very soon.

Raiden333: reverendfitty: hillbillypharmacist: Delegate counts don't decide who wins. People decide who wins!

then gore......nevermind

I was just going to say, get ready to watch the cognitive dissonance as the same people who thought the electoral college was unfair in 2000 go "YAY OBAMA, DELEGATES NOT VOTES!" now.

/Obama supporter and electoral college acceptor, for the record
//system could use some tweaks for sure though.
///It'll be even funnier if Hill wins the total popular vote by the convention
////Did I say funnier? I meant scarier.

He's also ahead of her in the popular vote by 600,000 right now.

equilibrium_0: El Uno Magnifico: Momentum is useful only if you use it to gain something. Obama used his momentum to rack up a huge 140+ delegate lead on Clinton. Clinton has momentum now but is faced with Wyoming and Mississippi plus a 7-week break between now and Pennsylvania. It's very much a case of being all dressed up with nowhere to go.

Exactly. I haven't looked at the polling for Wyoming or Mississippi but if Hillary's campaign strategy remains constant we should expect to hear that they don't matter very soon.

Neither will Texas by the time Friday rolls around.

You know, because Bush has a house there so there's anti-Clinton name recognition. Or something.

He's winning Texas?

Does that mean he has to take it home afterwards?

Weird system. The results are not surprising, though. Obama's supporters are more energized than Clinton's. Their way of doing things is interesting in that it allows observers to see some numbers which gauge the difference in the motivation level of the candidates' supporters.

equilibrium_0: Exactly. I haven't looked at the polling for Wyoming or Mississippi but if Hillary's campaign strategy remains constant we should expect to hear that they don't matter very soon.

The MSM wants this to continue as long as possible. This means giving the current underdog (HRC) as much benefit as possible. I would be very surprised to hear much about Wyoming or Mississippi. Instead, you will hear tons of noise about how PA is the next big showdown.

I came here for "Obama is coming, open wide"-related pics, and I'm disappointed :(

Reason enough to vote for Obama.... twice.

/Would vote for it like the fist of an angry god.

Thought so

I went to check the MSNBC website to see if they had this story on their political page.

Two articles on the main page:

"Clinton Camp Urges Obama to Be Positive"

and

"Clinton aide compares Obama to Kenneth Starr"

Sigh.

WHY does anybody buy her bullshiat again?

I know, I know...vagina.

DavIng: I came here for "Obama is coming, open wide"-related pics, and I'm disappointed :(

Post 'em yourself.

The problem is that for the most part, the primary isn't scored on the state level, it's scored on a congressional district level. Likewise, the general is scored on the state level, not the national level. That makes things seem weird.

Also, in all likelihood, Obama got more voters in the caucuses. It's a two-part election, and he won part two.