Ron Paul

/Ron Paul

What a tool.

RON PAUL.

And the USA continues to put those namby-pamby softie-pants UN guys in their place with their tough action.

I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this. It doesn't involve money, or the passage of anti-freedom laws. It's just saying "the Palestinians shouldn't lob shiat into Israel".

I guess since he knows he's a joke, he can restart the pandering to his antisemitic base.

" BILL TITLE: Condemning the ongoing Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, and for other purposes"

I'm guessing this is the part Paul was against.

Nothing like voting to condemn something as a hidden way of actually attempting to deal with a problem.

Something as stupid as that kind of vote deserves a no.

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this.

Not wasting tax-payer dollars on sending a strongly-worded letter?

Why would you vote yea? Because the US supports Israel no matter what? The people of Palestine were there long before it was decided by the winners of WWII that the Jews should get the land that for hundreds and thousands of years belonged to the palistinians.

The middle east would be a much better place if the US and other western countries would just keep their noses out of the situation and let Israel deal with the consequences of being plopped down on land that they have no real rights to fifty years ago.

PurplePimpSaber: Not wasting tax-payer dollars on sending a strongly-worded letter?

It's probably more likely to be, "What the Palestinians and the Israelis do to each other is no business of the Federal Government of the United States."

RON PAUL!!!11!2

In other news, I wonder where Congressman Fitch is...

/check the "Present" roll call and you'll get it
//yeah, I still got nothin'

Oh and:

404! Resolution Not Found!

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this.

The legislative branch shouldn't be meddling in international relations.

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this. It doesn't involve money, or the passage of anti-freedom laws. It's just saying "the Palestinians shouldn't lob shiat into Israel".

I guess since he knows he's a joke, he can restart the pandering to his antisemitic base.

Here's a possible excuse. I'm not saying I agree with it, though a part of me does appreciate the principle. Possibly Paul voted no because he is against these kinds of silly, pointless resolution bills that waste time Congress should be spending on voting on actual bills that enact a policy. This in particular reminds me of when I lived in Ithaca, NY, and the local city council voted a resolution condemning the War in Iraq. I wanted to go to a meeting a scream "Fix the damn potholes, you idealist upstarts! Then worry about Iraq."

Uh... that second "a" should be "and," but you knew that already.

I've gotta say - I'm with RP on this one. This is just another hollow gesture so these guys can claim they're doing something down there in Washington.

It's probably not the reason he voted nay, but whatever.

Going to be fun to see Ron Paul's Retarded Mouse Army and the anti-Semites fighting over their claim to this one when it goes live.

jbuist: dahmers love zombie: I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this.

The legislative branch shouldn't be meddling in international relations.

Nay.

The Libertarian critique is that this is not a matter that affects US interests.

Karma Curmudgeon: Nay.

The Libertarian critique is that this is not a matter that affects US interests.

It can be both.

Guy Innagorillasuit

...good

EsteeFlwrPot: ...good

why?

benlonghair: The middle east would be a much better place if the US and other western countries would just keep their noses out of the situation and let Israel deal with the consequences of being plopped down on land that they have no real rights to fifty years ago.

right. the middle east would be better with constant war that would inevitably involve nukes

Glasgowsfinest
EsteeFlwrPot: ...good

why?

because that land isnt theirs.

/Land
//Not Yours

Yeah, but check out who voted "present".

Moran (VA)

What moran.

EsteeFlwrPot: because that land isnt theirs

and texas belongs to mexico. and pennsylvania to the leni lenape. and scotland to the picts. and mexico to the aztecs...

I think the only thing that's going to settle this, is the second coming.

kronicfeld: It can be both.

I've not seen an historically consistent aversion to Congressional intervention in foreign affairs in the libertarian mindset. If anything, it's exactly the opposite. WWI and WWII spring to mind.

The idea that Congress should butt out of foreign affairs is another thing new to conservatism.

albo
and texas belongs to mexico. and pennsylvania to the leni lenape. and scotland to the picts. and mexico to the aztecs...

pretty much, yeah. I wouldnt blame the natives if they tried to get america back, id be pissed off too if I were them.

EsteeFlwrPot: because that land isnt theirs.

Zionism is racism.

Czar would have voted nay.

timmy_the_tooth
Zionism is racism.

Riiiiight....

EsteeFlwrPot: because that land isnt theirs.

riiiight.

thanks for clearing that up. It was theirs, and now it isn't.

Glasgowsfinest
thanks for clearing that up. It was theirs, and now it isn't.

It belongs to the Jews. It has for thousands of years and it will forever no matter who tries to live in it.

If you really want the answer, look up his speeches in the 80s and 90s on resolutions such as this. His Congressional speeches on Bosnia spring to mind, although I am running out the door to work. I'm sure you could find them online without too much trouble.

Enjoy the upcoming flame war.

EsteeFlwrPot: because that land isnt theirs.

/Land
//Not Yours

So it's good it belongs to someone else?

EsteeFlwrPot: It belongs to the Jews. It has for thousands of years and it will forever no matter who tries to live in it.

So if you're not Jewish you shouldn't be there? That sounds a bit... racist to me.

EsteeFlwrPot: Glasgowsfinest
EsteeFlwrPot: ...good

why?

because that land isnt theirs.

/Land
//Not Yours

You guys need some kind of final solution to this Palestinian problem. You know, the most efficient way to stop the Palestinian backbiting and put an end to the whole land issue is to deport and contain as many as you can, and kill the rest.

The world might be pissed for a while, but the biggest complainers would be dead. That way nobody has to deal with this shiat anymore.

From the bill:

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) condemns, in the strongest possible terms, the ongoing Iranian-enabled rocket attacks on Israeli civilians;

(2) supports the sovereign right of the Government of Israel to defend its territory and stop the rocket attacks on its citizens;

(3) recognizes the difficult balance Israel faces as the competing pressures of being the primary supplier of numerous necessities for Palestinian civilians, such as fuel, electricity, and medicine, even while rockets are being fired at Israel from Palestinian areas;

(So we totally understand if you cut off all three)

...

(7) recognizes that the rocket attacks against Israel would not be possible without the material support of the Governments of Iran and Syria;

(And we are placing these two countries on notice.)

Just my take on it.

I found it more interesting to discover that while there are several hundred morans in the house of representatives, there are actually two Morans, one from Kansas, and one from Virginia.

By the way, here is the main part of the resolution: The full text can be found Here (new window)

I've bolded the parts that I believe Paul was most against. Once again, go back and read his speeches on the House floor about similar resolutions in the past. He makes his point more clearly than I could, whether or not you agree on it is up to you.

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) condemns, in the strongest possible terms, the ongoing Iranian-enabled rocket attacks on Israeli civilians;

(2) supports the sovereign right of the Government of Israel to defend its territory and stop the rocket attacks on its citizens;

(3) recognizes the difficult balance Israel faces as the competing pressures of being the primary supplier of numerous necessities for Palestinian civilians, such as fuel, electricity, and medicine, even while rockets are being fired at Israel from Palestinian areas;

(4) supports Palestinian civilians who reject Hamas and all forms of terrorism, desiring to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors;

(5) places responsibility for launching the rocket attacks on Hamas and other terrorist organizations, such as Islamic Jihad, in Gaza;

(6) regards these rocket attacks and the fostering of terrorism in the Palestinian territories as direct hindrances to the peace process in the region;

(7) recognizes that the rocket attacks against Israel would not be possible without the material support of the Governments of Iran and Syria;

(8) calls on all nations, including Egypt, to take affirmative, transparent, verifiable steps to stop the flow of rockets and other terrorism-enabling materials (including human resources) to the Palestinian territories; and

(9) reaffirms the strong and unyielding friendship between the governments and the people of Israel and the United States.

Glasgowsfinest
So if you're not Jewish you shouldn't be there? That sounds a bit... racist to me.

Did it sound racist to you when all the other countries in the world were trying to kill us off and kick us out? Now we want a place of our own and to get our land back and you expect us to welcome the people that wanted to/still want to slaughter us with open arms?

Ron Paul?

*reads TFA*

RON PAUL!

Snarfangel: From the bill:

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) condemns, in the strongest possible terms, the ongoing Iranian-enabled rocket attacks on Israeli civilians;

(2) supports the sovereign right of the Government of Israel to defend its territory and stop the rocket attacks on its citizens;

(3) recognizes the difficult balance Israel faces as the competing pressures of being the primary supplier of numerous necessities for Palestinian civilians, such as fuel, electricity, and medicine, even while rockets are being fired at Israel from Palestinian areas;

(So we totally understand if you cut off all three)

...

(7) recognizes that the rocket attacks against Israel would not be possible without the material support of the Governments of Iran and Syria;

(And we are placing these two countries on notice.)

Just my take on it.

Why don't they just make resolutions condemning Iran and Syria as well then? Why go this roundabout way about it?

Snarfangel: (And we are placing these two countries on notice.)

exactly. iran financially supports hezbollah and the allawites in syria against israel--they are the ones constantly forcing the issue.

i thought ron paul doesn't like nations getting involved in another nation's problems?

palladiate: You guys need some kind of final solution to this Palestinian problem

I see what you did there.

EsteeFlwrPot: Did it sound racist to you when all the other countries in the world were trying to kill us off and kick us out?

Yes. That's why America helped stop it.

Now we want a place of our own and to get our land back and you expect us to welcome the people that wanted to/still want to slaughter us with open arms?

On what basis is it your land?

EsteeFlwrPot: Glasgowsfinest
So if you're not Jewish you shouldn't be there? That sounds a bit... racist to me.

Did it sound racist to you when all the other countries in the world were trying to kill us off and kick us out? Now we want a place of our own and to get our land back and you expect us to welcome the people that wanted to/still want to slaughter us with open arms?

You know, I'm generally supportive of Israel, but this is a stupid argument. First, I know of no time period when "all the other countries in the world" were trying to kill Jews. Second, of course everyone now would describe that as "racist". Third, even if such a time existed, it wouldn't justify apartheid-like policies or ethnic nationalism.

That bill is stupid.

Guy Innagorillasuit: guyinnagorillasuit.com

In the first map, the green part should be a Union Jack.

In the next two, the green parts should be, western and eastern respectively, the same color as Egypt and Jordan.

In the last, you can use one color for Hamas, PA, Hezbollah, etc.

You could go further back--Ottoman Empire, the Caliphate, Roman empire, each with its own color. Palestine hasn't been self-ruled since it was conquered by the Roman Empire, so I blame Caesar.

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want to hear him explain the "libertarian" excuse for this. It doesn't involve money, or the passage of anti-freedom laws. It's just saying "the Palestinians shouldn't lob shiat into Israel".

I guess since he knows he's a joke, he can restart the pandering to his antisemitic base.

You said all I came to say