The cancer has a lot of time to spread before November, subby.

Yeah, that Democratic Party is destroying itself allright

Give us time. We always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the end. ;-)

I think part of the point here is that McCain is now free to go national, while Hillary and Barak continue to beat the snot out of each other and burn through more money.

These polls are meaningless until there are two clear candidates.

Actually, drawn out Convention fights have been known to help in the general ... when Republicans have them.

/just leads to riot when the Democrats have them

As much as I want Clinton to gracefully accept defeat and work with Obama, this fight is not good for McCain. No one pays any attention to him, as the media is in love with the delagate fight.

Obama and Clinton are discussing policy and implemetation of new ideas, while McCain hangs out with Bush- anyone who still listens to anything that man has to say isn't voting for a Democrat, ever.

Give it time. Hillary is poised to make her attempt at stealing the nomination. It's virtually impossible for her to win more pledged delegates than Obama now. To win she has have the superdelegates override the voters.

She also wants MI and FL to count even though all candidates agreed to the rules to start with that excluded these two states. Obama wasn't even on the farking ballot in MI. And say what you want about one national Obama commercial running in Florida, at least he didn't go there. Hillary made several fundraising stops there before the FL primary.

Anyway, given the methods she will have to use to get the nomination, if Hillary gets it, I believe she'll tear the party apart and have a strong chance of losing to McCain.

WTF are you thinking, Dems?

patrick767: She also wants MI and FL to count

I thought the states themselves wanted to because they are attention whores.

subby: Yeah, the Democratic Party is destroying itself allright alright.

Don't worry. Give it some time, and it will happen.

what_now: No one pays any attention to him, as the media is in love with the delagate fight.

Which gives him time to come up with that magic talking point that will substantially differentiate him from Bush but still let the base think he is going to continue the bush policies.

Dinki: Which gives him time to come up with that magic talking point that will substantially differentiate him from Bush but still let the base think he is going to continue the bush policies.

"the base" is comprised of morons who still think Saddam Hussein caused 9/11 and "them libs is stealing our guns".

Some of these mouthbreathers won't vote for McCain because he's not Jesusy enough, and some of them won't vote for him because he doesn't want to torture brown people, but I'm not too worried about Bush's "base".

The only possible chance John McCain has is if Hillary manages to sue her way into being the Democratic nominee, or if Obama tosses a puppy off a cliff.

My letter to the DNC :

I'm a 23 year old white male, and I have voted primarily Democratic in local, state, and national elections since I was 18. I realize my single letter and single vote matter very little in a solidly blue state, but I feel the controversy over the Michigan and Florida Presidential primaries are worth a few minutes of my and your time.

I would like to make it known that if the primary delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated at the Democratic National Convention, thereby reversing all prior agreements and undermining the spirit of fair elections, I will no longer vote for the Democratic party. I will instead vote third party in the 2008 Presidential election, and will donate money to Sen. McCain's campaign. For years to come, from local elections on up, I will vote against every Democratic candidate on every ballot, regardless of position or qualification.

My reasoning for this is my belief that the democratic process is more important than any candidate or any particular election. Seating the delegates of a state that had a single candidate on the ballot is the antithesis of a fair election. Undermining the process by punishing the candidate who competed by the rules in favor of the candidate who strong-armed her way around them is simply unforgivable. I ask that the DNC leadership consider whether a single candidate is more important than the integrity of the party and the sanctity of the democratic process.

Write in, farkers. Let Dean know that you need him to find his testicles, sit Hillary down, and say, "No, you can't has the nomination. YEEEEEEEEEEAAARRRGHHH!"

We'll see how healthy the DNC is if Hillary succeeds in highjacking the nomination.

Jubeebee: Write in, farkers. Let Dean know that you need him to find his testicles, sit Hillary down, and say, "No, you can't has the nomination. Not YEEEEEEEEEEAAARRRGHHHrrrrs!"

FTFY ;)

HulkHands
I thought the states themselves wanted to because they are attention whores.

They do, but Hillary is advocating that they count as well. That's why I think there's a chance they'll end up counting them. The Clintons can strong arm the DNC into a lot of bullshiat.

HulkHands: patrick767: She also wants MI and FL to count

I thought the states themselves wanted to because they are attention whores.

I beg to differ. Only 27% of Floridians think that the election should count. In other words, 73% think that delegates SHOULD NOT be seated based on the January election. Some people didn't even bother to vote because 'it didn't matter'.

I'd imagine that number is even lower in Michigan, since Hillary (and Kucinich) were the only two people on the ballot there. I can't see how anyone thinks that it's fair to seat Michigan as-is.

So...and I'm just spitballing this right now...is it possible that Republicans don't care about politics right now? I mean with the Republican nomination all taken are of, why would they answer these polls at all right now?

Clinton and Obama fighting is good for McCain. He can sit back, raise money and analyze. Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.

People are already getting sick of this fight. And when the general comes around, it's McCain who will appear to be the one with the fresh ideas.

He couldn't ask for a better gift.

patrick767: HulkHands
I thought the states themselves wanted to because they are attention whores.

They do, but Hillary is advocating that they count as well. That's why I think there's a chance they'll end up counting them. The Clintons can strong arm the DNC into a lot of bullshiat.

Dean said last night that they will not count. He's open to the idea of a revote, caucus, or whatever the state's parties can come up with, but the elections that were held in those two states will not count. Everyone agreed to those rules and it's not fair to the other states who did play by the rules. And what a precedent it would set - next election all the states will move themselves up (hey, Florida and Michigan got away with it...)

ManRay: These polls are meaningless until there are two clear candidates.

FTFM.

TheConvincingSavant: Clinton and Obama fighting is good for McCain. He can sit back, raise money and analyze. Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.

People are already getting sick of this fight. And when the general comes around, it's McCain who will appear to be the one with the fresh ideas.

He couldn't ask for a better gift.

yea. fresh.

ManRay: These polls are meaningless until there are two clear candidates.

FTFY.

The story is Obama vs. Clinton. Once that's sorted itself out, and American Idol is over, we'll see how things are.

/Obama '08, maybe. The lesser of 3 evils?

With an unpopular war and the economy in the toilet, how can the Democrats lose?

/they'll find a way. Sad.

TheConvincingSavant: Clinton and Obama fighting is good for McCain. He can sit back, raise money and analyze. Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.

People are already getting sick of this fight. And when the general comes around, it's McCain who will appear to be the one with the fresh ideas.

He couldn't ask for a better gift.

McCain is an economic dunce and a warmongering, short-sighted lunatic. I see why you and your wife identify with him to you "Core", soldier.

vernonFL: /they'll find a way. Sad.

This meme confuses me.

Democrats have won three of the last four Presidential elections, and came within 2% on the other (2004). They've also recently retaken Congress.

Why do people say that they always lose?

Insert generalized statement with vague topical tie-in.

Well, at this point Hillary will almost certainly have to override the popular vote from her own party using political trickery in order to secure the nomination. That's the campaigning equivalent of handing McCain an armed fission bomb programmed to the coordinates of her house and then calling to give him the launch code right before she goes to bed.

Seriously, I'm by no means a trained politician and I could bloody well sink her with that one.

So I'm sticking with my Obama beats McCain beats Clinton prediction.

Rann Xerox: ManRay: These polls are meaningless until there are two clear candidates.

FTFM.

Yes, just last week polls were showing McCain slightly ahead of both Obama and Clinton.

Polling has only marginally improved since:

state by state results trump any national polls

/Hillary's strategy relies on Florida = FAIL.

what_now luckily the other base consists of people who think that Stalin and Che are great characters and have forgotten about the 4 terrorist attacks on US soil during the Clinton's last outing. Vince Foster would probably campaign for Obama but he is dead.

Cowboy Spencer: vernonFL: /they'll find a way. Sad.

This meme confuses me.

Democrats have won three of the last four Presidential elections, and came within 2% on the other (2004). They've also recently retaken Congress.

Why do people say that they always lose?

I think "winning" would actually involve getting your candidate in the White House, no?

Don't get me wrong, I wish they had.

Spanky_McFarksalot: and American Idol is over,

Here is an idea: We can elect Randy, Paula, Simon and Ryan as co-Presidents.

Randy appeals to the black vote, Paula could solve the middle east crisis (she's a Syrian Jew), Simon as kind of a realist hawk and Ryan Seacrest would attract the gays to the ticket.

vernonFL: With an unpopular war and the economy in the toilet, how can the Democrats lose?

/they'll find a way. Sad.

It's easy. Hillary voted to authorize the war. There goes their entire "the war is bad!" platform.

Let me put it another way; at the end of the day, National Security is going to be a hot issue along with the Economy. Does anyone honestly think that a "3am" ad is going to work running vs. McCain?

Are these the same polls that had Hillary winning the nomination hands down before the caucuses? Or is it the one that had Obama winning Texas and Ohio?
// Just curious

Andric: I think "winning" would actually involve getting your candidate in the White House, no?

Don't get me wrong, I wish they had.

Everyone does :) The Supreme Court should have ordered a full state recount - maybe (probably) President Al Gore would have done better.

Cowboy Spencer: Why do people say that they always lose?

Well the last two Gore lost to Bush (you are right, barely)
and then Kerry lost even though by that time it was blindingly obvious that Bush/Cheney were criminally insane.

Are these the same pollsters that had McCain out of the race 3 months ago or the pollsters who said Hillary was going to win the nomination easily?

Cause you know it matters.

Has anyone noticed about how EVERY poll prior to a primary has been DEAD WRONG all year?

No one knows what's going to happen this November (except that Hillary won't be Mrs. President, that's pretty clear.)

We'll probably see those numbers change if Hillary gets the nod, subby.

sasquatchologist: TheConvincingSavant: Clinton and Obama fighting is good for McCain. He can sit back, raise money and analyze. Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.

People are already getting sick of this fight. And when the general comes around, it's McCain who will appear to be the one with the fresh ideas.

He couldn't ask for a better gift.

People are also getting sick of your opinion on this site, since you are a well known LIAR. You are the picture of FAIL. And McCain doesn't stand a chance. Good job with the constant and unmitigated propaganda in the face of the fact that everyone here knows you are a LIAR. It shows some real CORE values, SOLDIER.

I don't get it, what's the lie? Did I miss something? Dammit, I hate when I miss something...

vernonFL: With an unpopular war and the economy in the toilet, how can the Democrats lose?

/they'll find a way. Sad.

Well, probably because they bear a good solid 50% of the blame for starting the first one, and they were the ones with their hands on the wheel when the second one went down (making the fact that they were a decent-sized chunk of the root cause more visible).

Congress has been more or less 50/50 for a long, long time. And Bush didn't have to fight at all to get the invasion approved. Sorry, but you can only really use your arguments if you want us to vote for a third party.

Jubeebee: My letter to the DNC :

I'm a 23 year old white male, and I have voted primarily Democratic in local, state, and national elections since I was 18. I realize my single letter and single vote matter very little in a solidly blue state, but I feel the controversy over the Michigan and Florida Presidential primaries are worth a few minutes of my and your time.

I would like to make it known that if the primary delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated at the Democratic National Convention, thereby reversing all prior agreements and undermining the spirit of fair elections, I will no longer vote for the Democratic party. I will instead vote third party in the 2008 Presidential election, and will donate money to Sen. McCain's campaign. For years to come, from local elections on up, I will vote against every Democratic candidate on every ballot, regardless of position or qualification.

My reasoning for this is my belief that the democratic process is more important than any candidate or any particular election. Seating the delegates of a state that had a single candidate on the ballot is the antithesis of a fair election. Undermining the process by punishing the candidate who competed by the rules in favor of the candidate who strong-armed her way around them is simply unforgivable. I ask that the DNC leadership consider whether a single candidate is more important than the integrity of the party and the sanctity of the democratic process.

Write in, farkers. Let Dean know that you need him to find his testicles, sit Hillary down, and say, "No, you can't has the nomination. YEEEEEEEEEEAAARRRGHHH!"

will write soon
/from florida
//play by the farking rules, damnit

TheConvincingSavant: Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.


You see, the thing is... this is a BAD thing. Ask Mr. Giuliani.

sasquatchologist: People are also getting sick of your opinion on this site, since you are a well known LIAR. You are the picture of FAIL. And McCain doesn't stand a chance. Good job with the constant and unmitigated propaganda in the face of the fact that everyone here knows you are a LIAR. It shows some real CORE values, SOLDIER.

I'm not.

I don't agree with him, but it would be an awfully boring if the only people to post all agreed with each other. Fark on Savant.

Jim_Callahan: Well, at this point Hillary will almost certainly have to override the popular vote from her own party using political trickery in order to secure the nomination. That's the campaigning equivalent of handing McCain an armed fission bomb programmed to the coordinates of her house and then calling to give him the launch code right before she goes to bed.

Seriously, I'm by no means a trained politician and I could bloody well sink her with that one.

So I'm sticking with my Obama beats McCain beats Clinton prediction.

So true. If the Hilldebeest somehow finagles the nomination, all McCain would have to do would be to say to the American public "Hey, her own party didn't even vote for her. Why should you?"

Although McCain is a white man,

Wait...we have a white guy running?

Just wait until early Fall, when the Administration is "uncovering" a terror plot every three days and the ever-dutiful News Media makes sure you hear about it. The average American dumbass (the vast majority) will vote for the candidate who promises to kill and torture more people.

"Get em skeered and then keep the skeer on em."
---Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Say hello to president McCain now people.

Robo Beat: So true. If the Hilldebeest somehow finagles the nomination, all McCain would have to do would be to say to the American public "Hey, her own party didn't even vote for her. Why should you?"

The 6 point win they're predicting for Hillary could be wiped out by a bad flu the day of voting. A 12 point win is a BIT better...but I'd love for it to be more.

Edsel: TheConvincingSavant: Plus, it gets him out of the spotlight for a while.

You see, the thing is... this is a BAD thing. Ask Mr. Giuliani.

I would agree, except that McCain is getting just enough press to keep his name fresh. In addition, he isn't getting *bad* press, and the last time they (the MSM) tried to smear him, it backfired horribly.

The republicans have little faith in their candidate...the democrats will probably have little faith in their candidate...

Christ, this is gonna be a wierd year.