All instrumental, eh? Awesome.

'Tis the only way to save the patient.

Hannah Montana selling her CD on the web for $5 would do it. Trent will just help kill off a few electrons.

This is good. Real good.

I hope the film industry is able to follow along the same independant route that the music industry is headed.

No more jackasses with zero creativity in their body telling artist and musicians what they should/need/have to do.

I don't like NIN, but I like this idea.

Go Trent?

His website is farkin slow. I got to the e-mail download page, but it won't accept the security key -- it just tells me to try again.

I'll download it in a few days. If I like it, I'm going with the $10 double-disc album. I'd buy it unheard, but his last couple of albums have been terrible.

Ordered the $75 and the $5, and I would get the $300 if I could right now. Yeah, I am a pretty big NIN fanboi.

But to be honest, even if you don't like him, or don't like his music, you have to admit releasing 36 track double-album for $5 is pretty, well, freaking amazing, and speaks volumes to the music industry.

Now to finally kill off the corporate greed associated with music and get back to the farking music.

It looks good on paper, but what about when people who invested their life's work into making really brilliant music decide to just become dairy farmers or open a restaurant?

Everybody is talking about how the "new model" is liberating artists and blah blah blah.. and the record companies were robbing them blind, but now the fans are, too. Lemme tell ya, when the only thing available is some unlistenable trash from some other dipshiat kid with a Casio and a 20.00 mic and his 12 year old sister is on vocals ans it was mixed in Reaper by some kid with ADD and 9387459837 cracked plugins, don't come crying. : )

And movies?

Do you have any idea how many thousands of dollars per minute are spent making a film? Yeah, free will work great for films. 8-/

bunner: Lemme tell ya, when the only thing available is some unlistenable trash from some other dipshiat kid with a Casio and a 20.00 mic and his 12 year old sister is on vocals ans it was mixed in Reaper by some kid with ADD and 9387459837 cracked plugins, don't come crying. : )

Yeah but the thing is NIN has a bunch of equipment and money and fans, and it will take someone at that level to kick it off. This and the whole Radiohead thing are just testing the waters in all honesty. If someone has substantial talent and can create truely good works of art, I believe they will be able to make a name for themselves.

Oh and Squarepusher made an entire album from a casio keyboard + fx. If you don't know who that is, seriously check em out. One of the absolute best bass players on this planet.

raavekYeah but the thing is NIN has a bunch of equipment and money

Yyyyyyeeeeeaahhhh, and they got this from...

Think about it.

Nobody is gonna beat their brains out from ground zero to maybe be awarded with a Sweetwater Home Studio Pak for their bedroom and the opportunity to keep making music for free while they work for Starbucks.

After four hours of downloading, I'm just now listening to this. It is absolutely amazing.

/Subby

POSER.

An instrumental NIN album. Reznor's cut away the weakest part of his music.

I like where this is going.

bunner: Everybody is talking about how the "new model" is liberating artists and blah blah blah.. and the record companies were robbing them blind, but now the fans are, too.

Too true, unfortunately. The way I see it is that it's a self-accelerating phenomenon: fewer sales ==> less revenue ==> jack up prices to increase profit margin ==> fewer sales ....

So it's nice to see someone 'reset' the whole idea. Even if they're in a position that they could achieve only by riding the industry for so long, they're at least taking a stand and getting publicity out of it. Maybe it will work, maybe not, but people will pay attention and that's really the first step toward change. And I think change is sorely needed at this point.

bunner: raavekYeah but the thing is NIN has a bunch of equipment and money

Yyyyyyeeeeeaahhhh, and they got this from...

Think about it.

Nobody is gonna beat their brains out from ground zero to maybe be awarded with a Sweetwater Home Studio Pak for their bedroom and the opportunity to keep making music for free while they work for Starbucks.

Same way I got all my stuff? I'm not a huge rockstar, but hey, after 8 years I got a pretty good studio setup. Taken my stuff to actual studios that record big named bands to see how much they wanted to master it, and well they said I really didn't need them.

It doesn't take a fortune to get into it man.

I've been "into it" for 30 years.

Professionally.

The amount of money it takes to install somebody on the cultural map is no longer there, either from sales or promotion budgets, for records that just get stolen.

What I'm trying to say is that, no, it doesn't take a lot to buy half way decent gear and record at home, but the point is:

A: That's not where money is made unles you work for Banjo Depot selling gear.

B: Most of the people who do that make really shiat records.

C: you could make Sgt. Pepper in your basement and nobody would hear it nor would they have to pay to.

The brass ring you're looking at isn't there anymore.

Oh and Squarepusher made an entire album from a casio keyboard + fx. If you don't know who that is, seriously check em out. One of the absolute best bass players on this planet.

I concur, although I've only heard ultravisitor.

Love tetra-sync and everyday i love the best(s).

Hey, that's cool, they released the album under Creative Commons license.

Reznor had an account on Oink though, so it'd be pretty hypocritical for him to be involved in big time music piracy himself and then turn around and not let people share his album.

That site must really be farked. I spent an hour typing and retyping the security code in. Finally I just hit Submit without typing the code in and it worked.

/More bands need to do this and pull support from their labels.
//Too bad not many bands have the balls to.

rynthetyn: Hey, that's cool, they released the album under Creative Commons license.

Reznor had an account on Oink though, so it'd be pretty hypocritical for him to be involved in big time music piracy himself and then turn around and not let people share his album.

I'd disagree. He'd have to be crazy to put out music with no protection, and I appreciate that he's not keeping a standard license and acting like he's just doing us a favor.

bunner: I've been "into it" for 30 years.

Professionally.

The amount of money it takes to install somebody on the cultural map is no longer there, either from sales or promotion budgets, for records that just get stolen.

What I'm trying to say is that, no, it doesn't take a lot to buy half way decent gear and record at home, but the point is:

A: That's not where money is made unles you work for Banjo Depot selling gear.

B: Most of the people who do that make really shiat records.

C: you could make Sgt. Pepper in your basement and nobody would hear it nor would they have to pay to.

The brass ring you're looking at isn't there anymore.

Yeah, you gotta be creative about releasing it too. I am associated with a couple bands that are starting to do the national circuit, and each have some sort of viral marketing going around.

Personally I'd love to see the age of huge rockbands that make a zillion dollars for playing a 1/2 ass shiatty show completely hammered go away.

And what you say is true. Most people do make really shiatty records. Thing they can pick up a guitar and reach instant stardom. But thats been going on WAAAY before any of this started happening, and will continue to go on well into the future. Good music will continue to be released and people will continue to hear about it through word of mouth. I think this approach is much better. Should be about the music anyways.

Oh and if you want to hear what someone who is recording out of their house with limited equipment is capable of, email me (in profile) You might be suprised of the quality that someone can do for a bedroom studio.

Subby: Trent Reznor is trying to kill the music industry is killing itself

FTFY

Pirate Bay has...


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= Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts I (2008) posted at 2008-03-03 03:28:59 GMT


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= Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts I-IV 2008 320kbps And Extras posted at 2008-03-03 05:07:32 GMT

The album was created over a 10-week period and contributors along with Trent Reznor included Atticus Ross, Alan Moulder, Alessandro Cortini, Adrian Belew and Brian Viglione. Each song is titled according to its track listing and none of the songs have an actual track name. For example, track one on Ghosts I is titled \"1.\" Reznor also states that more volumes of Ghosts are likely to appear in the future.

http://ghosts.nin.com

This album is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial Share Alike license.

More information: www.creativecommons.org

I got the $5 download. Sounds pretty good so far.

The bunner: Everybody is talking about how the "new model" is liberating artists and blah blah blah.. and the record companies were robbing them blind, but now the fans are, too. Lemme tell ya, when the only thing available is some unlistenable trash from some other dipshiat kid with a Casio and a 20.00 mic and his 12 year old sister is on vocals ans it was mixed in Reaper by some kid with ADD and 9387459837 cracked plugins, don't come crying.

You know, the average kid at home with a computer has more powerful recording equipment than the Beatles ever have. Besides, there's already loads of crap freely floating about on the net, if it hasn't bothered you yet, it never will. Pay attention to magazines and websites/blogs you enjoy, and you'll have a constant flow of good music - they weed out the crap for you, just like radio/TV used to do in the old days.

/lunaspark.net
//several albums, all free to download
///latest = best production, experience counts for a lot
////never made a dollar, hardly spent one either

If anyone wants to know what the new NIN instrumental songs sound like check this out.

Link (new window)

/not rick roll'd!

hm, free download link not working... will probably just plop down the $10 for the 2 discs.

[pops in, turns on truthiness indicator]

ElTaco: Subby: Trent Reznor is trying to kill the music industry is killing itself

FTFY

Yeah, this thread's ok.... on to the next one....

this is awsome!!! however my dl link starts and than stops before getting close to finishing, so I'm trying the torrent sites instead. but will definately be shelling out 10 bucks for the double disk album next month.

/Reznor is badass
//Radiohead also
///if only Tool would start doing the same

but NIN has a bUNCHA equipment laarrrrrrrgghhhh.....

bunner: What I'm trying to say is that, no, it doesn't take a lot to buy half way decent gear and record at home, but the point is:

A: That's not where money is made unless you work for Banjo Depot selling gear.

B: Most of the people who do that make really shiat records.

C: you could make Sgt. Pepper in your basement and nobody would hear it nor would they have to pay to.


IMO

Let's say that that today's music industry model is gone...and the new "revolution" of internet music completely takes over...

It's very important to note that nothing, at this point, can beat human ears.

There is a reason there are professionals who not only know how to operate professional equipment, but they have the ears - both during production and after/mixing, mastering...

If someone is that good, you could set them up with 80's technology and their finally would blow away somebody, who has the latest present-day equipment, but doesn't know what they're doing...

You could have that one guy in his bedroom with impressive, affordable technology... but with the music industry - every person during the production process has a separate role to handle the various tasks - this is a huge difference.
I suppose you could have one home musician play engineer, one to do mastering, etc. -- but it won't be professionals. All the final mixes with always be "good enough". Of course there will be good sounding recordings - in general, it won't be.

Combine this with the fact that mp3 technology is a compromise on recording data - omitting recording quality plus and add the influx of mediocre music -- and you will have a deterioration of music quality as a whole.


Trent Reznor is in the perfect position both time-wise and perceived attitude of contributing to some kind of revolution. He has the best of both worlds...people will buy his music to think they are contributors to this revolution... but, in a couple of years, that would change... so he can cash in now.

It's good now... but if people are going to be given the option for free - they will download and not pay. Perhaps the RIAA won't be their to police...

Furthermore, let's say every band one day has their own independent website - and the standard model (instead of a free option) becomes a cheap price for a whole cd's worth of downloads. i.e. $5 .... but what if people start (like I said before) just DL'ing everything. Then one day, these artists are going to band together and hire an organization to police... then there's going to be management/promoters to get a good internet setup/exposure...then inevitable corruption... then we will be back to where we started with the BS from the record companies... except the huge difference will be shiatty product galore!

Don't get me wrong - it's very cool that musicians can distribute directly to fans... I'm just saying that, eventually, people are not going to bother to pay.
/IMO

He's managed to repeatedly kill music by making albums still, I suppose he may as well try and kill the music industry to.

All nine inch nails fans are emotionally underdeveloped twats that still wet the bed, furthermore Trent Rezsnore is a hack.

Although I'm not much of a fan of his music anymore, I do like his instrumentals on "The Downward Spiral" even if they were completely ripped off from Clan of Xymox/Pieter Nooten & Michael Brook.

This material I've seen described as "music for daydreams" so that leads me to believe it's more ambient. Anyone who has it and isn't a fanboy and actually listens to stuff like Lustmord, Coil, etc. give a mini-review?

I suppose it doesn't matter, I'm downloading it anyway.

Glitchwerks: This material I've seen described as "music for daydreams" so that leads me to believe it's more ambient. Anyone who has it and isn't a fanboy and actually listens to stuff like Lustmord, Coil, etc. give a mini-review?

It's pretty listenable. The downside is, like you'd imagine, most of the songs follow a similar formula; they're based on a short, simple melody which gets gradually added to as the song goes on. But given that it's two hours of music for five bucks, it's rather good. Especially as background/working music. It runs the typical NIN gamut from quiet piano pieces to white-noise explosion melodies.

Reznor's music is not for me, but the idea of artists creating this music and marketing it themselves is a wonderful thing.

Death to the suits.

linoleum knife: He's managed to repeatedly kill music by making albums still, I suppose he may as well try and kill the music industry to.

All nine inch nails fans are emotionally underdeveloped twats that still wet the bed, furthermore Trent Rezsnore is a hack.

And you're who? And your opinion matters because?

Now if I could find a market for my tribute to Torgo of Manos fame...
/I have 10 fans.

Teleken: And you are the raddest man alive. And your opinion matters a lot to me!


thanks a lot man! you are all right for a bed wetter!

linoleum knife: "Teleken: And you are the raddest man alive. And your opinion matters a lot to me!

thanks a lot man! you are all right for a bed wetter!"



Clever, friend. Took me a minute, but then -- zing!

i always liked his instrumental...

/shame

linoleum knife: Teleken: And you are the raddest man alive. And your opinion matters a lot to me!


thanks a lot man! you are all right for a bed wetter!

Do you even play an instrument? Doubt it.

/Bed wetter? Try decorated veteran, assclown.

Senescent Dawn:
It's pretty listenable. The downside is, like you'd imagine, most of the songs follow a similar formula; they're based on a short, simple melody which gets gradually added to as the song goes on. But given that it's two hours of music for five bucks, it's rather good. Especially as background/working music. It runs the typical NIN gamut from quiet piano pieces to white-noise explosion melodies.

Sounds like it might be up my alley. I'm into minimal and stuff that tends to follow simple formulas. He had a track or two on "The Fragile" that were decent as well. I'm not into his vocals, and, in general not into vocals at all, except maybe Edward Ka-Spel, John Balance, Nick Drake, etc. Thanks for the review though!

Umm. This album is the shiat.

Serious.

I like the idea of "Sound track to daydreams"

Reznor has just jumped up another notch in my book of awesome.

Well, sure. Lots of gear.

I got lots of gear. Serious stuff. Tracks for days. I may use up to about 48, occasionally, and I still can't get near what the Beatles did on Sgt. Pepper with 4. And I have the raw multi-tracks to that record. That's a statement of fact. I can't do that.

I also do about 240 shows a year and I know how to use the gear. The gear is the altar, not the sacrament.

I got news. It ain't the arrow, it's the injun and the amount of kids who have any sort of actual recording training, let alone something to say musically, who are holed up in their bedrooms making the next big thing is staggeringly small.

How many people bother to learn to play or discipline themselves as writers? How many people do it with an eye to "having a hit" rather than just concentrating on the music?

Everybody wants to sound like what's already out there.

And a lot of what's already out there is mindless, compressed to shiat, auto tuned crap that never fell onto an open page of inspiration.

Popular music blossomed into an art form in the live and recorded form over the last 30 years due to a lot more than technology. the most powerful aspect of the popular music revolution was the relationship that bands built with their fan base.

The tail is wagging the dog, kids. And as far as not being bothered to pay for it... um, that's nice. My whole point is that a lot of really talented people are going to not be bothered to make it.

Why should they beat their brains out to create something brilliant that, after a year of work, will be reduced to an ad for some crap on yahoo.com? Maybe a giveaway to get you to subscribe to some crap? If Silicon Valley is trying to retrain us to believe that music has no intrinsic value and is just a value added gimmick to help sell crap, why are they doing so much work to ensure that the writers and artists get paid like 2¢ a song?

When everything is finally digitised and the major players shut off the taps unless you:

Sit through ads for an hour
Mail them money
Add "music" to your cable or ISP charge...

a lot of really talented players, writers and engineers are gonna find something that pays for their time.

The "free stuff" model is a teaser and buying into it for the short gain will wilt the carrot on that stick, eventually.

IMHO, YMMV, Do not remove cover, Reg.U.S.Pat.Off., keep away from children, Does not include destination fees, Close cover before striking.

Don't mind LK. That's just the resident Reznor troll. He's pretty amusing but it would be nice if he tried a new approach or stopped whining so goddaamn much.

/both

Tried to download the free ones to check it out, since they're having server problems I didn't want to pay the 5 bucks and have the link expire before I could get it. It wouldn't even let me download the free part, so I'm glad I decided to wait.

I'll give it another try in a day or two.

Picked it up off Amazon last night. My initial reaction is that these are all either bits and pieces of songs that didn't make the cut on a 'regular' album, or they're the NIN equivalent of Skinny Puppy's "brap" sessions (stick a bunch of musicians in a studio with no specific plans, let them noodle and improvise, and record the results). There's some good and some bad, nothing that will really blow your mind, but it's good ambient noise. As someone else said, most of the tracks start out with simple melodies, and build in complexity as the song goes on. My guess is that this is Trent's brain dump for all the stuff floating around in his head for the last few years.

Pretty interesting, and certainly worth the $5.

Spartapuss: Don't mind LK. That's just the resident Reznor troll. He's pretty amusing but it would be nice if he tried a new approach or stopped whining so goddaamn much.

/both

What happened? Trent ran over his dog? farked his girlfriend? farked his wife? All three?

I've met Trent. Nice guy, surprisingly soft spoken, very intelligent. Knows his way around a synth from back in the days before ghetto "producers" just played the stock patches on a Triton. Can't say I've liked everything he's ever done, but he's a capable musician who plays several instruments and knows his way around a studio.