Well, that should stoke the fires of Democratic civil war. My suggestion is that you set rules beforehand, then follow them even if it is inconvenient for those who didn't follow the rules.

Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter

I don't see how redoing it would hurt him. The people have had more than a month to observe Hillary since our primary. Things have changed.

Mulligan.

Good idea! Why didn't you come up with this idea as soon as the DNC warned that you were going lose delegates? Oh, right; you didn't care, since Hillary was going to sweep across the nation anyways. And now, there's a contest, and suddenly you're concerned...petty.

Diogenes: Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter

I don't see how redoing it would hurt him. The people have had more than a month to observe Hillary since our primary. Things have changed.

On top of which, the first go-round had only Hillary campaigning in Florida. Once Obama spent some time in the state you would see a massive vote swing.

Where's the "Count every vote!" crowd with this?

muck4doo: Where's the "Count every vote!" crowd with this?

I'm perfectly cool with it, so long as everyone has two weeks to campaign there.

Well, they are probably going to have to re-do Iowa, Texas, and maybe Ohio, too. Just have to keep redoing them until Clinton gets what is rightfully hers.

If Obama were to win Michigan or Florida in a re-do, what do you think would be the Clinton spin?

bronyaur1: Well, they are probably going to have to re-do Iowa, Texas, and maybe Ohio, too. Just have to keep redoing them until Clinton gets what is rightfully hers.

If Obama were to win Michigan or Florida in a re-do, what do you think would be the Clinton spin?

"We should respect the original will of the voters and award delegates on that basis."

I'm fine with it, as long as the state uses their own money. (I'd actually be fine with it if the Democratic Party funded it, but it looks like Floridians will pay for it if it goes through.)

Florida's Republican governor would gladly approve a Democratic primary Chinese-fire-drill-do-over. Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter do anything for a vice-presidential nod.

FTFY, subby.

Good idea. Open up both states for campaigning for a good 3 weeks or so beforehand though. Give Obama a chance to continue his streak of closing local polls by roughly 10 points for every week he campaigns.

I mean, fair is fair, especially since Clinton barely won a plurality in Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot.

CheddarPants: Florida's Republican governor would gladly approve a Democratic primary Chinese-fire-drill-do-over. Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter looks gay.

Not that there's anything WRONG with that.

Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

The Onanist: CheddarPants: Florida's Republican governor would gladly approve a Democratic primary Chinese-fire-drill-do-over. Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter looks gay.

Not that there's anything WRONG with that.

Well, there's no indication that he's chasing underaged interns like Foley, and he doesn't support the marriage amendment, so he can't be accused of being a hypocrite.

no way obama would go for this. michigan? yeah he might be able to pick it up, but Florida is definitely a Clinton state through and through.

i'm sorry, but they bought a ticket, they knew what they were getting into - i say let 'em crash.

if the good folks of FLA and MI don't like it they need to vote out the rule-breakers that put them into this position in the first place.

and any true dem should be worried about ANY IDEAS that crist has.

I'd like to know how they'd handle deciding who can and can't vote in the primary if they re-vote. I'm registered Republican, but if the initial vote had counted, I probably would have switched to be able to vote in the primary. Would I be able to switch my registration, or would this only be open to people who were registered as of the initial primary? And in that case, what about the younger voters who may not have bothered to register since they knew their vote didn't count?

Jubeebee: Good idea. Open up both states for campaigning for a good 3 weeks or so beforehand though. Give Obama a chance to continue his streak of closing local polls by roughly 10 points for every week he campaigns.

I mean, fair is fair, especially since Clinton barely won a plurality in Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot.

Not to mention VERY low turn out in Detroit proper. Throw in Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Ypsilanti, K-zoo and all the other college towns, things could look good for Obama in Michigan. However, these states also broke party rules and those rules did NOT have an out like this. The loser could probably challenge the results in court and win.

bronyaur1 "Well, they are probably going to have to re-do Iowa, Texas, and maybe Ohio, too. Just have to keep redoing them until Clinton gets what is rightfully hers."

Well. It wouldn't be the first time that Democrats insisted on recounting with different standards until they got the results that they wanted.

It is a bit different for Dems to do this to other Dems...

If that doesn't work the next step is to go to court...

sunspotter: no way obama would go for this. michigan? yeah he might be able to pick it up, but Florida is definitely a Clinton state through and through.

i'm sorry, but they bought a ticket, they knew what they were getting into - i say let 'em crash.

if the good folks of FLA and MI don't like it they need to vote out the rule-breakers that put them into this position in the first place.

and any true dem should be worried about ANY IDEAS that crist has.

Someone has been watching Comedy Central lately.

/I just want you to know, we are counting on you.

They moved their primary up so they could get more attention - now they want to have a do over to get more attention -- So what is with this? Were Foridians totally deprived as children ?

i live in florida, didn't vote in the primary when it didn't count (why bother?), but i would vote for obama.

honestly, and based on my discussions with several people about it in florida... i think the people who voted in that primary did so because they had no idea that it didn't count. conclude what you will about the results from that.

burndtdan: i think the people who voted in that primary did so because they had no idea that it didn't count. conclude what you will about the results from that.

Right.. I can understand that. It is hard enough to get people out for a primary even when it counts - let alone when it doesn't count! Moreover, no one was campaigning in the state, what can you expect? Spuds to me like the only people who turned out were those who were least informed.

Now Clinton wants to claim a large percentage of the delegates based on a small fraction of the voters. I say take a hike. Go whimper.

The most reasonable solution is to allow a delegation to be seated - but base the representation on the percentage of total pledged delegates won by each of the two candidates so that the state has some representation - but without distorting the process.

Hasn't Florida screwed over the democratic process enough already????

Not counting disenfranchised voters .. what a CHANGE, huh?

Jubeebee: Clinton barely won a plurality in Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot.

Given the difficulty she had in winning by default, I can only imagine what sort of hilarity will ensue in Democratic Party Primary 2: Electric Boogaloo.

/lives in FL
//will vote Obama if it happens

I'm pretty sure that the Obama organization would make sure that black dem voters were not disenfranchised this time like they have been since - I dunno - forever.

I think Obama would do very well in Fla.

Cornered Beef: Not counting disenfranchised voters .. what a CHANGE, huh?

If a state decided to disobey Federal law and hold its general election before the Tuesday after the first Monday of November, would you support letting that slide, too?

Dear Floriduh, since you are the poster child for farked-up elections, please SFTU. You'll have another chance to fark it up again soon.

ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

Code_Archeologist: ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

Except that they're afraid that it's not going to come up as successfully for Hillary than the first time around.

I bet The Onion will fall into the same spirit and endorse Nader...

Marge: President Clinton?

Clinton: Yeah, hi. I'm here to see Lisa Simpson.

Lisa: You read my letter?

Clinton: Much of it, yeah. And those glow sticks were wrong, very wrong, so I personally overturned the results of that band contest. Congratulations.

Lisa: Thank you, Mr. President.

Clinton: No, thank you, Lisa, for teaching kids everywhere a valuable lesson: If things don't go your way, just keep complaining until your dreams come true.

Marge: That's a pretty lousy lesson.

Clinton: Hey, I'm a pretty lousy president.

Code_Archeologist: ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

The Florida Democratic Party broke the rules set out by the National Democratic Party. They had their delegates stripped. They will have no say for this primary.

Where is the difficulty in understanding this? Do we want people growing up to believe that rules are merely suggestions? Why do you love the terrorists?

Code_Archeologist: ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

Except they already voted. It just didn't count. The DNC didn't think their cunning plan through.

meat0918: Code_Archeologist: ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

Except they already voted. It just didn't count. The DNC didn't think their cunning plan through.

Hence calling it a "re-vote" (the prefix "re" meaning "again").

/what are they teaching you kids in schools nowadays?

Bored Horde: Code_Archeologist: ChopSueyKS: Does this guy have any authority in the matter to begin with? It's an internal Democratic Party issue.

He is offering Florida state tax payer funds for the re-do... and that has been the big issue with enacting a redo, the Florida Democratic Party has not had the funds to pay for it.

Right now there is no excuse for the Florida DNC to not hold a re-vote.

The Florida Democratic Party broke the rules set out by the National Democratic Party. They had their delegates stripped. They will have no say for this primary.

Where is the difficulty in understanding this? Do we want people growing up to believe that rules are merely suggestions? Why do you love the terrorists?


The rule was never that they weren't allowed to have delegates at the convention if they held an early primary, it's that if they had an early primary the delegates elected in that primary would be striped. Any post-Feb 5th primary is perfectly kosher by party rules.

/Obama supporter
//Approves of Crist
///thinks Hillary would still win a re-vote
////thinks in the grand scheme of things it probably wouldnt matter anyway.

PurplePimpSaber: Florida's Republican governor would gladly approve a Democratic primary Chinese-fire-drill-do-over. Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter do anything for a vice-presidential nod.

FTFY, subby.

Hey! That is a cheap shot! Suntan Charlie is not like those guys.

/liberal
//luvs my Gubner

Diogenes: Or anything else that will help beat Obama, for that matter

I don't see how redoing it would hurt him. The people have had more than a month to observe Hillary since our primary. Things have changed.

It would be a waste of time and money in an already unnecessarily wasteful race. It would show a lack of solidarity and an inability to agree on the obvious winner in this race. It's a chink in the armor and the opponent would not delay to exploit it.

Cornered Beef: Not counting disenfranchised voters .. what a CHANGE, huh?

If Florida voters have anyone to biatch to, it's their state's Democratic party headquarters. They chose to disenfranchise their voters despite valid warning. Every other state stood and waited their turn, and it actually meant something after Super Tuesday. Dumbasses just cut in line the one time it was a bad idea to.

Dinki: Once Obama spent some time in the state you would see a massive vote swing.

Yes, to the Republicans.

EvilTwinSkipster: Dinki: Once Obama spent some time in the state you would see a massive vote swing.

Yes, to the Republicans.

Whiny damn Democrats. We have spent 8 years listening to and dealing with GW and all you people can do is complain if your democratic candidate is not the favorite. I am an avid AVID supporter of Obama. I think he wil make a huge difference, but if he loses and Clinton is the nominee I will proudly vote for her. WTF is wrong with you people, be a little more gracious and accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering. You all are the reason the right wing has fuel to fire at the liberals. I will never get you Dems, this term you are acting like republicans without the secret gay sex.

/Shame

brimstoner:

WTF is wrong with you people, be a little more gracious and accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering.

Who is the other one? Kucinich dropped out a bit ago, and by my count that made Obama the only one running that is worth a damn.

brimstoner
accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering. You all are the reason the right wing has fuel to fire at the liberals.

Actually, it's people who think Hillary is a "very good candidate" that give the right wing so much fuel, I mean, c'mon, Hillary???? After what has happened this primary, the left no longer has any room to talk about idiot voters on the right.

Murkanen: brimstoner:

WTF is wrong with you people, be a little more gracious and accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering.

Who is the other one? Kucinich dropped out a bit ago, and by my count that made Obama the only one running that is worth a damn.

Gravel? He was pretty much a pissed off older version of Kucinich, without a hot wife.

/Gravel for Press Secretary
//Please?

brimstoner: EvilTwinSkipster: Dinki: Once Obama spent some time in the state you would see a massive vote swing.

Yes, to the Republicans.

Whiny damn Democrats. We have spent 8 years listening to and dealing with GW and all you people can do is complain if your democratic candidate is not the favorite. I am an avid AVID supporter of Obama. I think he wil make a huge difference, but if he loses and Clinton is the nominee I will proudly vote for her. WTF is wrong with you people, be a little more gracious and accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering. You all are the reason the right wing has fuel to fire at the liberals. I will never get you Dems, this term you are acting like republicans without the secret gay sex.

/Shame

1. I'm not a Democrat.

2. Since your post some others have posted who apparently are Democrats and hate Hilary.

3. From all I have been able to gather the vast majority of Hilary's supporters, while admitting disappointment would support Obama if he wins the nomination. The Obama supporters seem ready to yell racism and not support Hilary if she wins, even if the win is a clear cut win of delegates in the primaries and not some super delegate shenanigans.

4. From above we can see that Obama will get the nomination, whether he earns it or not because he is basically sending the word out that if he doesn't win he is taking his voters and going home.

5. Before you decide to dump on Republicans I'm not Republican either. I'm an independent, and I must say I am enjoying the show I'm seeing from the Democrats this year.

Share and enjoy.

brimstoner: Whiny damn Democrats. We have spent 8 years listening to and dealing with GW and all you people can do is complain if your democratic candidate is not the favorite. I am an avid AVID supporter of Obama. I think he wil make a huge difference, but if he loses and Clinton is the nominee I will proudly vote for her. WTF is wrong with you people, be a little more gracious and accept that we have two very good candidates for this term and stop bickering. You all are the reason the right wing has fuel to fire at the liberals. I will never get you Dems, this term you are acting like republicans without the secret gay sex.

/Shame

That'd be the case if you self identified Democratic. I'll gladly Vote Nader/Perot or McCain if the one and only politician I've ever contributed to a campaign for didn't win. In my book Obama > McCain > Clinton, and as such, the Democratic party, hating independents and crossover republicans, will shoot themselves in the foot electing Clinton to the Democratic nom-nom-nom. But if that's what they want to do, and they seem pretty intent in word and deed, in flipping the boat, then so be it. Maybe after 8 years of McCain, we'll get a revolution.

EvilTwinSkipster
From all I have been able to gather the vast majority of Hilary's supporters, while admitting disappointment would support Obama if he wins the nomination. The Obama supporters seem ready to yell racism and not support Hilary if she wins, even if the win is a clear cut win of delegates in the primaries and not some super delegate shenanigans.

I won't yell racism if he loses the primary. I will not, however, vote for Hillary. I'm just fundamentally opposed to political dynasties.