I'm glad it's a Liberal drama. This should be interesting.

I just wonder when the frothing "We, The Party" types are going to wake up and smell the coffee.

Do they really think it will be that close? Wolf will blow his wad with 3% reporting, you watch.

"We've asked almost the impossible of this board of elections,"

Just to clarify, the entire purpose of the board of elections is to ensure that every vote is counted and that there are no problems with the voting mechanisms. If that is viewed as "impossible", then why bother even voting?

All of these chuckleheads need to be removed from their positions and replaced with reasonably competent people, if Ohio has any of those left.

subby: Ohio may be decided by one county with untested touch-screen voting

FAIL

The county in question, Cuyahoga (my home), just scrapped their Diebold touch screens for the much more reliable optical scan paper ballots. The optical scan system hasn't been used before, but the worst case scenario is they can fall back on hand counting.

/Voted early at the BOE
//Expects no problems in Cuyahoga

Cuyahoga County, here, too.

Absentee ballot.

Lets put our heads together and start a new country up
Our fathers fathers father tried, erased the parts he didn't like
Lets try to fill it in, bank the quarry river, swim
We knee-skinned it you and me, we knee-skinned that river red

This is where we walked, this is where we swam
Take a picture here, take a souvenir

Oh cool! so no matter who wins, someone is gonna scream about the election being stolen.

If I were a judge in that county, I'd schedule that week off.

Cleveland rocks?

Gregory F. Stuart: GaryPDX: I just wonder when the frothing "We, The Party" types are going to wake up and smell the coffee.

They did. Why else would Obama be in the lead?

Obama certainly brought his 'A' game to the election. Hillary was off in left field somewhere while Obama hit the ground running and really worked his ass off.

McCain will have a rough time ahead if Obama gets the nomination.

Voice of reason says: This is the primary. Ohio splits its delegates by district. It's not winner-take-all, except in perception. Both candidates will come out of Ohio having picked up some delegates, and voting inaccuracies will only cause relatively small swings in overall delegate counts.

Voting should be as accurate as possible. But this is not a 2000 Florida situation, or even a 2004 Ohio.

Weaver95
Oh cool! so no matter who wins, someone is gonna scream about the election being stolen.

Add my voice to the chorus of Farkers who doubt that there will be large scale problems in Cleveland. It's a small scale test upon which all eyes will be placed, and it's a single-party primary election. As pointed out, this is an optical-scan system (aka it has a paper trail) rather than a Diebold/Premier Election Solutions hunk of shiat.

mrexcess: Add my voice to the chorus of Farkers who doubt that there will be large scale problems in Cleveland. It's a small scale test upon which all eyes will be placed, and it's a single-party primary election. As pointed out, this is an optical-scan system (aka it has a paper trail) rather than a Diebold/Premier Election Solutions hunk of shiat.

Won't matter. If/when Hillary loses, she'll cry about 'stolen votes' and demand a recount.

Obama certainly brought his 'A' game to the election. Hillary was off in left field somewhere while Obama hit the ground running and really worked his ass off.


Am I correct in counting four mixed metaphors here?

Bill Frist: Obama certainly brought his 'A' game to the election. Hillary was off in left field somewhere while Obama hit the ground running and really worked his ass off.


Am I correct in counting four mixed metaphors here?

It takes years of practice to get that sort of thing right.

Weaver95: mrexcess: Add my voice to the chorus of Farkers who doubt that there will be large scale problems in Cleveland. It's a small scale test upon which all eyes will be placed, and it's a single-party primary election. As pointed out, this is an optical-scan system (aka it has a paper trail) rather than a Diebold/Premier Election Solutions hunk of shiat.

Won't matter. If/when Hillary loses, she'll cry about 'stolen votes' and demand a recount.

She's probably got lawyers lined up drafting injunctions and complaints already. Just in case.

Weaver95
If/when Hillary loses, she'll cry about 'stolen votes' and demand a recount.

I hope she'll show more integrity than that. And I doubt that it's going to come down to such a wire that it will matter nationally, which is all that matters since it isn't a winner-takes-all affair for the Democrats in Ohio. If and when she loses, it probably won't be by the margin of questionable delegates in Cuyahoga.

GaryPDX: I'm glad it's a Liberal drama.

Me too! Liberals are gonna crash and burn! What FUN that will be! And then the Conservatives will finish destroying the US like they've been doing for the last decade, and the USA will sink into anarchy and we'll all have to kill our neighbors for food! Wheeee!!!

My team's better than your team! GO TEAM!!!

Election shenanigans in Ohio? Who would have guessed?

mrexcess: I hope she'll show more integrity than that. And I doubt that it's going to come down to such a wire that it will matter nationally, which is all that matters since it isn't a winner-takes-all affair for the Democrats in Ohio. If and when she loses, it probably won't be by the margin of questionable delegates in Cuyahoga.

Hillary is desperate. She *needs* to win in Ohio and Texas. If she doesn't win, the DNC insiders will force her to drop out of the race. Her back is against the wall here and she's going to do ANYTHING to win. If that means filing a lawsuit and screaming bloody murder about stolen elections then she might just do it.

Bill Frist:

Am I correct in counting four mixed metaphors here?

Approves.

Craaap shes about to steal this thing. I hope Barry has some ninjas working for him.

Anybody get a look at the Clintons "caucus strategy mailout"? Its going to be an ugly Tuesday, Wonder how many riots will be started from her campaign pulling that crap.

I might head to the caucus with a bullet proof vest and a stungun just to be safe.

buckle up for the explanation of how McCain won 51% of the vote in the democratic primary......"He must be really popular...ya'wll!."

mrexcess
I hope she'll show more integrity than that.

Integrity? HILLARY???? Nothing Hillary has done in this campaign has demonstrated any degree of integrity. I guarantee you that short of a total Obama blowout on Tuesday, you're going to see the starting movement next week to get the Michigan and Florida delegates seated.

Weaver95
Her back is against the wall here and she's going to do ANYTHING to win.

I hope not. We'll see.

Wraithbane
you're going to see the starting movement next week to get the Michigan and Florida delegates seated.

It would be the end of her campaign. Even the dullest voter knows that trying to get an election counted where it was against the rules to campaign and thus only one person's name appeared on the ballot is anti-Democratic in extremis.

If she succeeds in shenanigans that unseat the elected nominee, it will rip the Democratic party to shreds and hand the White House to McCain. Too many people realize it to allow that to happen at this stage, even were she to exhibit the extraordinary lack of judgement necessary to take the party down that course.

mrexcess: If she succeeds in shenanigans that unseat the elected nominee, it will rip the Democratic party to shreds and hand the White House to McCain. Too many people realize it to allow that to happen at this stage, even were she to exhibit the extraordinary lack of judgement necessary to take the party down that course.

I don't think Hillary cares about anything other than getting into the white house. She has that 'captain ahab' vibe going, y'know?

It's one thing to use an untested system, but to use a system that's never been tested? No, sir. Now you've gone too far.

Weaver95
I don't think Hillary cares about anything other than getting into the white house. She has that 'captain ahab' vibe going, y'know?

Even if that were totally accurate, it would take a real cult of personality to sustain that kind of momentum within her own campaign. I think that Hillary's beltway supporters are too smart to get caught up in any of that even if she isn't. She's got a Senate seat and a family legacy to think about.

mrexcess: She's got a Senate seat and a family legacy to think about.

Part of me sort of expects her not to run for Senator again if she loses.

Bill Frist: Obama certainly brought his 'A' game to the election. Hillary was off in left field somewhere while Obama hit the ground running and really worked his ass off.


Am I correct in counting four mixed metaphors here?

Zapp Brannigan: If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

Electronic Voting = End of Democracy in America

/as Bush would say ... history will prove me right!

mrexcess: Even if that were totally accurate, it would take a real cult of personality to sustain that kind of momentum within her own campaign. I think that Hillary's beltway supporters are too smart to get caught up in any of that even if she isn't. She's got a Senate seat and a family legacy to think about.

I think Hillary wants to be president so badly that she would sacrifice almost anything to win the election. she even spent $5 of her OWN money on her campaign - and she hates using her own money for *anything*.

But you're right - she will eventually be forced to concede the race after all her backers drop her. She won't like it very much, but she won't be given a choice. I just don't know if she's vindictive enough to destroy the DNC for not giving her the nomination.

Another thing to consider is that all of this has been a tremendous blow to Hillary's ego. 11 straight losses. A lot of people rejected her. Two things Hillary don't like: 1. being told no and 2. being rejected in public. So that might be a factor in how she handles this situation.

PC LOAD LETTER: mrexcess: She's got a Senate seat and a family legacy to think about.

Part of me sort of expects her not to run for Senator again if she loses.

She could take her toys and go home, then start managing Chelsea as her heir to the throne.

PC LOAD LETTER: I can't see her quitting the gravy train to power. If anything, I think this loss will refocus her on a better career track.

Weaver95: she even spent $5 of her OWN money on her campaign


Eh, that's not really that big of a deal.

picturescrazy: Weaver95: she even spent $5 of her OWN money on her campaign


Eh, that's not really that big of a deal.

should have been $5 million.

sorry - didn't proofread as closely as I should have done.

cmartine

Pal, if you're not a troll you're doing your position no favours.

Phil Moskowitz: cmartine

Pal, if you're not a troll you're doing your position no favours.

It's not even an attractive HA! HA! graphic. It looks cheap, like one of those press-on T-shirts.

I live in Cuyahoga county, so I'm...


Oh to hell with it.

The state has ditched most of the Diebold machines now. The reason Cuyahoga county was so late was because the Sec. of State had to jump through hoops to fire the local elections board for incompetence.

orclover: Anybody get a look at the Clintons "caucus strategy mailout"?

Um no. Google doesn't seem to know anything about it either. Where did you see it? What did it say?

jcooli09: I live in Cuyahoga county, so I'm...


Oh to hell with it.

The state has ditched most of the Diebold machines now. The reason Cuyahoga county was so late was because the Sec. of State had to jump through hoops to fire the local elections board for incompetence.

that was my initial suspicion instead of the knee-jerk fear mongering reactions thus far.

If this is true, then Hillary's gonna win. Rove and other Republicans are pulling out all the stops for her candidacy

i also happen to be currently living in cuyahoga county. i for one am glad they ditched the old diebold machines. ive received quite a few leaflets in the mail already explaining how the new system is going to work. FILL IN THE BUBBLE COMPLETELY! NO X MARKS AND NO CIRCLING WHICH CANDIDATE YOU WANT TO WIN! only a moron should have difficulty figuring out how to vote.

/not concerned in the least

Touch the screen! Touch the screen!!!
/Bill Clinton he knows me
/And he knows Im right
/Ive been talking to Bill Clinton all my life
/Oh yes he knows me
/And he knows Im right
/And hes been telling me
/Everything is alright

quickdraw: orclover: Anybody get a look at the Clintons "caucus strategy mailout"?

Um no. Google doesn't seem to know anything about it either. Where did you see it? What did it say?

Doesn't have the actual document, but should be helpful.

Link (new window)

boozerman: quickdraw: orclover: Anybody get a look at the Clintons "caucus strategy mailout"?

Um no. Google doesn't seem to know anything about it either. Where did you see it? What did it say?

Doesn't have the actual document, but should be helpful.

Link (new window)

Story broke here: (new window)

I still can not find a copy of the flier, any former clinton supporters get a copy?

boozerman: quickdraw: orclover: Anybody get a look at the Clintons "caucus strategy mailout"?

Um no. Google doesn't seem to know anything about it either. Where did you see it? What did it say?

Doesn't have the actual document, but should be helpful.

Link (new window)

OMG OMG Hillary totally hacked the website and stripped out your link! She'll do anything to win!

TheGreyPiper: Weaver95: mrexcess: Add my voice to the chorus of Farkers who doubt that there will be large scale problems in Cleveland. It's a small scale test upon which all eyes will be placed, and it's a single-party primary election. As pointed out, this is an optical-scan system (aka it has a paper trail) rather than a Diebold/Premier Election Solutions hunk of shiat.

Won't matter. If/when Hillary loses, she'll cry about 'stolen votes' and demand a recount.

She's probably got lawyers lined up drafting injunctions and complaints already. Just in case.

I'm waiting for the helicopters to fly over blaring Ride of the Valkyries. Then you know the lawyers coming. I picture them zip lining down from the helicopters, brief cases in hand, prepared to file any and all legal paperwork at a moments notice. The second the Florsheims hit the ground, all hell will break lose.

/I'm an Ohio voter
//and I'm getting a kick out of these replies

How many people in Ohio are really actually going to vote on Tuesday? LOTS of people have already voted early or by absentee ballot.

Jennifer Brunner, our awesome Secretary of State, is expecting a massive 52% turnout. Massive.

I've voted absentee, but only because I'll be working that day... At another precinct as a Roster Judge. w00t!