I'm pretty sure border security is a losing issue for McCain.

Snarfangel: I'm pretty sure border security is a losing issue for McCain.

no, boarder security. he wants better security at airports and train stations.

I figured this was about screening out illegals when renting out rooms.

Skateboarding is not a crime.

Snarfangel: I'm pretty sure border security is a losing issue for McCain.

3rd party wacko fundy farknut, here we come!

Who is this McCain guy and why is he talking to reporters.

Christ, what a farking douchebag.

What about the help from our Mexican friends?

Snarfangel: I'm pretty sure border security is a losing issue for McCain

Yeah, if I was McCain I would spend the next 9 months pretending the US didn't have a border with Mexico.

Weak on boarder security?

Rad, dude

I would follow the illegals to the gates of Tijuana...then nap!

This is why I say it's always important to check references before you rent a room to somebody.

...would jeopardize crucial military support from Canada

wha?

NAFTA made the illegal immigration problem worse.

go sit the truck John

And McCain digs his hole deeper..

Bowen: ...would jeopardize crucial military support from Canada

wha?

Yeah--if we pull out of NAFTA, Canada will renege on it's commitments to NATO. Makes perfect sense.

I'm board. Entertain me.

If this was just a "North of the Rio Grande Trade Agreement," we wouldn't be having this conversation. The Canadian government guys who were complaining were just trying to score some political points.

Unavailable for comment.

doyner: Bowen: ...would jeopardize crucial military support from Canada

wha?

Yeah--if we pull out of NAFTA, Canada will renege on it's commitments to NATO. Makes perfect sense.

We have a new shared military deal with Canada. Try and keep up, citizen! (new window)

Theres Al Quada, lets just actually assume for a minute that they actually are in Iraq and thats why we have to be over there - Repubs will tell you that if we dont fight them over there, they will come over here and we will have to fight them on our "streets..."

So lets be completely logical. These terrorists have a lot of money and supposedly were smart enough to pull off 911 (supposedly)......

So assuming that, by definition a terrorist, is supposed to go after regular civilians and create terror in the populous, in an effort to weaken the enemies resolve.

So.......these 911 masterminds who are backed with a good amount of money, these "terrorists" have chosen to fight the toughest army the modern world has ever known?? They know they cant win, but they just keep banging their head against an immovable object in a "war" they can never win??

Meanwhile they "choose" not to come to America, or as some would have you believe George Bush is somehow keeping them out of the country? Are you kidding me??

Wouldnt the intelligent "terrorist" just go to Mexico? Our own government says there are sleeper cells here in the US, so obviously they could easily go to Mexico. We all know that our Mexican border is practically wide open to illegal aliens who walk over the border to find work in our country.

So are they really expecting me to believe that not even one terrorist has gone to Mexico, blended in with the migrant workers (who have the same skin color I might add) and then just come to America?? If they wanted they could have 100's of 1000s of terrorists in this country. And finding a home made bomb to blow your self up is not that hard.

They could easily blow themselves up in a Walmart on the busiest shopping day of the year and completely shock and terrorize every day Americans, not to mention destroy the Christmas shopping season and kill the economy.

Instead, am I to believe they just create sleeper cells? So maybe thats what they do, they just sleep all day? 911 was 7 years ago, and they haven't even done a thing since then?? So what do sleeper cells do? We were at our weakest after 911.

Oh yea, thats right, George Bush caught them!! He saved the day! We are expected to live in fear, give away all our rights and our freedoms, while these multi-national corporations control literally the whole world!! I believe just 4 parent companies control every newspaper and TV station in the country - And it was Clinton who passed deregulation of the media.

Obama and Clinton want to renegotitate NAFTA with Mexcio to help increase Mexican wages and keep more jobs here. It really has nothing to do with the Canadian part of the deal. Mexcian wages have gone down under NAFTA and that is why so many Mexicans come here illegaly looking for jobs. If you want to secure the southern border then increasing Mexican wages is part of the fix. NAFTA as is prevents that.

Blah.

As far as making a fence or wall, did you know that the wall would obviously be on the US side, so we would actually be putting up this huge wall right next to the bank of the scenic Rio Grande river?

Nice view. Plus the government takes your land to do it.

BizarreRecords: Skateboarding is not a crime.

That's not the issue here. The issue is the lack of security guards among skateboarders. He's wants to force skateboarders to employ their own security guards or face a fine.

McCain doesn't say anything about border security in this article.

FarkinFarker: He's wants

*punches himself in the nuts*

Anybody feel like posting the episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshiat where they hire some illegal immigrants to build a replica border wall then get past it?

McCain on Free Trade
* Every time US went protectionist, we paid heavy price. (Oct 2007)
* Supports ethanol, but by exporting, not by subsidies. (Oct 2007)
* No environmental provisions in trade agreements. (Nov 2004)
* Against foreign sales corporations (offshore tax breaks). (Feb 2000)
* Substitute trade treaties for protectionism. (Jan 2000)
* Admit China to WTO based on their concessions. (Jun 1999)
* Free trade with any country except security risks. (May 1999)
* Retaliatory protectionism is a "murder-suicide pact". (May 1999)
* Chile in NAFTA is good, but Fast Track isn't. (May 1999)
* China: Keep open trade & diplomacy; but keep eyes open. (Apr 1999)
* Mexico: balancing act between free trade & stopping drugs. (Mar 1999)
* NAFTA has had unambiguously positive impact on US. (Mar 1999)
Voting Record
* Pro-NAFTA, pro-GATT, pro-MFN, pro-Fast Track. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
* Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
* Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
* Voted NO on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)
* Promote the Andean Free Trade Agreement. (May 2002)
* Rated 100% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)


Obama on Free Trade
* More Transition Assistance for displaced workers. (Feb 2008)
* Enforce environmental & labor provisions in trade agreements. (Jan 2008)
* Enforce existing safety laws against Chinese products. (Dec 2007)
* NAFTA needs to be amended. (Dec 2007)
* Stand firm against CAFTA for labor & environmental standards. (Aug 2007)
* Congress subsidizes megafarms & hurts family farmers. (Aug 2007)
* People don't want cheaper T-shirts if it costs their job. (Aug 2007)
* Amend NAFTA to add labor agreements. (Aug 2007)
* Reinvest in communities that are burdened by globalization. (Jun 2007)
* Insist on labor and human rights standards for China trade. (Jul 2004)
* Fair trade should have tangible benefits for US. (Jun 2004)
* Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

Fark needs a hypocrite tag.

EwoksSuck: If you want to secure the southern border then increasing Mexican wages is part of the fix. NAFTA as is prevents that.

Oh now there you go using logic and common sense in a political thread. You've been here long enough to know better.

Party Boy: NAFTA has had unambiguously positive impact on US.

Is that right, Mr. McCain?

Shaggy_C: Party Boy: NAFTA has had unambiguously positive impact on US.

Is that right, Mr. McCain?

Disseminate the information. spread it far and wide.

Party Boy: Disseminate the information. spread it far and wide.

Oh - it's well known.

NewportBarGuy: I really liked John McCain, until he went senile.



"No I ain't senile, dag blast it!"

Shaggy_C: Party Boy: Disseminate the information. spread it far and wide.

Oh - it's well known.

/saved

So renegotiating NAFTA would piss off Canada but not Mexico?

Killer Miller: McCain doesn't say anything about border security in this article.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story. The Obamanuts need something to jerk off to tonight.

I use it everyday in my shower.

/Dyslexic

Has anyone pointed out the mistake in the headline yet?!

Arrr, prepare to repel borders!!

/nothin

I am still a registered Socialist... and I'm not sure how to feel about this. Am I for or against free trade in general, and NAFTA specifically? Do I vote Obama or McCain if this is the major issue?

/Serious.

It depends if you care about the world or just America.

HaywoodJablonski: I figured this was about screening out illegals when renting out rooms.

Likewise. Nothing so dangerous as illegal boarders. Next thing you know, all our hotels and motels will be filled with those dastardly roomers.

xkillyourface

Vehemently against free trade. Global race to the bottom, international erosion of workers rights, not even all that happy having a free trade pact with Canada let alone Latin America. Favor withdrawal from WTO, CAFTA, NAFTA, and the FTAA.

/Registered democrat, mainly to turn it left
//Voted for Kucinich
///Don't know why I'm not in the DSA-USA yet

burndtdan: Snarfangel: I'm pretty sure border security is a losing issue for McCain.

no, boarder security. he wants better security at airports and train stations.

No, boarder security. Just don't rent rooms to anybody. Problem solved.

Like most other Republikkklans, McCain does not know his hole from an ass on the ground.

Shaggy_C: Party Boy: Disseminate the information. spread it far and wide.

Oh - it's well known.

and in 51 states to boot!

Food is cheaper, clothes are cheaper, steel is cheaper, cars are cheaper, phone service is cheaper. Lowers prices, raises incomes. The most important part? Free Trade stops wars. Countries are less likely to go to war with each other if their economies are dependent on one another. If the US goes protectionist, so will others and that will make the world a much more dangerous place. As if it wasn't dangerous enough already.

Grote-Man said:

The most important part? Free Trade stops wars. Countries are less likely to go to war with each other if their economies are dependent on one another. If the US goes protectionist, so will others and that will make the world a much more dangerous place. As if it wasn't dangerous enough already.

So, why is there a trade embargo on Cuba?

Why are there prohibitions on exporting certain technologies to China?

I mean... since "protectionism" is so dangerous and all.

;)

I think what you meant to say was that protectionism designed to enhance the power of the financial elite and to service the goals of the military-industrial-complex is double-plus good, while any sort of protectionism to enhance the lives, wages, or working conditions of working people is *eviiiiil* and *dangeeerooous*.

Oh... and you'd be wrong on both counts.