Just hold out till the May primaries, Hillary. That's where you'll be vindicated at last.

...

June.

I'm going to love watching her play up the importance of her Rhode Island win.

Obama might win the nomination, but can he get the rest of the Democrats to come with him? (pops)

/concerned

"Obama has every advantage going into this election. If Senator Obama is in fact the de facto nominee, he ought to win all four."

God I hope you eat those words, Wolfson.

themindiswatching: Obama might win the nomination, but can he get the rest of the Democrats to come with him? (pops)

/concerned

Polling suggests that while some democrats may prefer hillary to Obama, they would still vote for Obama if he were nominee.

However, a great number of moderates and independents would flat-out refuse to vote for Hillary.

So.... who has a better chance of taking office?

I love watching Shrillary flip-flop faster than a beachcomber on crystal meth.

"Texas is the point on which this campaign pivots, and I trust that the good voters of Texas will take this great responsibility and elect a truly strong candi... hmm? What's that, Bob? *informed that she's not winning the state* So, as I was saying, Texas doesn't really count in the grand scheme of things. It's the nation as a whole that matters in choosing the best candidate, not any one state. See you in Wyoming!"

Wow, does a victory in Rhode Island look that promising to you?

She's really pulling out all the stops lately. God I hope this shiat doesn't work. My faith in the government is already shaken. If the electorate turns out to be so gullible, I'll have nothing left to rest on.

This is the conservative press dancing to Rush Limbaugh's tune, as usual. Nothing more.

Hillary's campaign: Obama losing a single state on Tuesday would show that Democats are having second thought about him.

Don't be silly. That assumes Democrats have ever had a thought in the first place.

I think it's very clear. If Obama is only up by 350 delegates in June, and can only beat Hillary by 20% in the Puerto Rico primary, then the American people will be having buyer's remorse and we need to just throw the nomination to Clinton.

We can't take a chance on unproven leadership.

How long can she drag this out? If it were anybody else, the party would have told her to leave already. This is getting ridiculous.

/Oddly enough, I think i could have said that last month and been accurate.

A Clinton campaign official added, "Even if he wins all four states, but refuses to change his middle name, turn white or sprout a vagina, that will show a contempt for Caucasians, Christians and women that would render him unelectable in November."

themindiswatching: Obama might win the nomination, but can he get the rest of the Democrats to come with him? (pops)

/concerned

I can't be arsed to find it, but there was a thread earlier where someone posted numbers of how Democratic (just registered Dems) voters have split so far. Obama was up by something like two hundred thousand out of ten million. And I'm pretty sure that was counting all of Florida and Arizona for Hillary.

themindiswatching: Obama might win the nomination, but can he get the rest of the Democrats to come with him? (pops)

/concerned

Not to sure I would trust those numbers considering the source. But it is food for thought.

That's some nice desperation, Lou

Obama brings in far more numbers for November than Clinton. Her supporters are not out there waffling between her and McCain, they will vote for the Democratic nominee. His supporters however will probably not move to her in the same fashion, in fact many will just not vote, as they will have seen the special interests and the big political machine with the negative tactics prevailing again.

If he wins, he wins in November and the Dems pick up lots of seats. If she wins, it is a close on in November and the congress remains divided.

His campaign is much more grass roots, in nearly every state and doing one hell of a job getting the vote out.

Plus if she wins we get 4 more years of the tear down destructive vindictive politics we have been witnessing since 1994. The GOP talking heads are rooting for her because it will be good for business, that is all.

The momentum is sooo in B's favor it's really weird.
On Democrat Underground many would blow on cue if he said get on your knees.
And thats the white guys ! LOL
Old time tent revival hasn't got anything on the Barockamania Bandwagon.
I just hope he has something better than what he has has thus far shown.
Just voting present isn't an option when you are challenged by despots who will always be testing your responses.

larry00: Just voting present isn't an option when you are challenged by despots who will always be testing your responses.

Yes, we should instead all immediately jump on the war bandwagon. Because we all know how well that works out.

I really like Obama and I hope he wins. What I don't like is how he got baited into the process in Ohio. One of his campaign advisers contacted Canadian officials 3-4 weeks ago to say that he would be taking some shots at NAFTA, but not to worry as it is just campaign bluster. I get that he would have gotten destroyed in Ohio if he backed NAFTA, but it's a shame he had to lie to carry the state.

themindiswatching: Obama might win the nomination, but can he get the rest of the Democrats to come with him? (pops)

/concerned

Since there isn't ever a time when only Democrats are voting- even in Democratic primaries -it's a non-issue.

In fact, the more people that cross over from Republican or vote for him the first time they've ever voted, the more Obama's message will have succeeded.

That's her campaign strategy? Expectations of diminishing returns?
Or is it the insult 40 state strategy?
Or is it insult Obama voters?
Bottom line is if she doesn't win both states, she will start to get pressured by Democrats (Ed Rendell) to drop out.

jrdmacdo: One of his campaign advisers contacted Canadian officials 3-4 weeks ago to say that he would be taking some shots at NAFTA, but not to worry as it is just campaign bluster. I get that he would have gotten destroyed in Ohio if he backed NAFTA, but it's a shame he had to lie to carry the state.

Sources ?

I think everyone is getting real tired of people just
making stuff up. We'd really like to see some support
for this stuff.

Dreddsnik: jrdmacdo: One of his campaign advisers contacted Canadian officials 3-4 weeks ago to say that he would be taking some shots at NAFTA, but not to worry as it is just campaign bluster. I get that he would have gotten destroyed in Ohio if he backed NAFTA, but it's a shame he had to lie to carry the state.

Sources ?

I think everyone is getting real tired of people just
making stuff up. We'd really like to see some support
for this stuff.

Nah, I've read this story, some Canadians are claiming it's true, but they don't have any proof it happened.

robsul82: Dreddsnik: jrdmacdo: One of his campaign advisers contacted Canadian officials 3-4 weeks ago to say that he would be taking some shots at NAFTA, but not to worry as it is just campaign bluster. I get that he would have gotten destroyed in Ohio if he backed NAFTA, but it's a shame he had to lie to carry the state.

Sources ?

I think everyone is getting real tired of people just
making stuff up. We'd really like to see some support
for this stuff.

Nah, I've read this story, some Canadians are claiming it's true, but they don't have any proof it happened.

And the Canadian office that was supposedly called say simply that they never received such calls.

Dreddsnik: Sources ?

Very weak non-denial, followed by denial, foollowed by source saying it might have been a miscommunication.

Dreddsnik: Sources ?

Honestly, I posted this and then immediately went to find the article. I knew I'd get called out for a source. Here is a link from CTV news (Canadian Network Television):

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080227/dems_nafta_080227/2 0080227

Thanks Flab, my html skills are severely lacking.

Bacontastesgood: We can't take a chance on unproven leadership.

Proven leadership has screwed us in the last 7 years.

And Obama's held elected offices longer than Hillary has.

This is actaully the first political move that shows any sort of intelligence on HillBill's part; the fact that it is one month too late is comical. Everyone knows that she will not go down easy. Her entire political credibility is based on winning this election.

They are settting the table well for the March 4 results but this can also backfire; if Obama wins and continues to win, this buyers remorse crap will look just as transparent and futile as everything else HillBill has tried.

Setting aside the issue of whether a call was made or not, Obama is clearly pandering on this issue. There is no way that any US President is going to re-open NAFTA. His stance that he would (as well as Hilary's) is simply a way to win votes in states that have been hurt by NAFTA (like Ohio). I support Obama and I hope he wins, I just wish he wouldn't resort to this type of pandering to do it.

bwesb: Everyone knows that she will not go down easy.

Which really is too bad; we could have avoided the whole Monica Lewinsky thing.

jrdmacdo: but it's a shame he had to lie to carry the state.

Don't worry he will be doing a lot more of that as the year progresses.

bwesb: Everyone knows that she will not go down easy.

That's why Bill turned to Monica.

Thank you! Goodnight!

This childish "move the goalposts" strategy seems on par for her campaign as of late.

The upside is, her playground tactics could serve the United States very well if she would happen to become president. I could see other nations/leaders just say "Fark it, I can't take it anymore. You win." after trying to negotiate with her administration.

jrdmacdo: Honestly, I posted this and then immediately went to find the article. I knew I'd get called out for a source. Here is a link from CTV news (Canadian Network Television):

After reading those I see there is a basis for the
statement, but still no concrete proof.

Thank you for that.
At least you try to back up what you say.

More of that will do everyone good.

Occam's Chainsaw: I love watching Shrillary flip-flop faster than a beachcomber on crystal meth.

"Texas is the point on which this campaign pivots, and I trust that the good voters of Texas will take this great responsibility and elect a truly strong candi... hmm? What's that, Bob? *informed that she's not winning the state* So, as I was saying, Texas doesn't really count in the grand scheme of things. It's the nation as a whole that matters in choosing the best candidate, not any one state. See you in Wyoming!"

The comments coming out of the Clinton camp do seem to suggest that they now think they will lose Texas, and are trying to find a way to legitimise carrying on the race even after that defeat. Someone is going to need to have a conversation with Hillary, explain what reality looks like. Glad it isn't going to be me.

Mugato: bwesb: Everyone knows that she will not go down easy.

That's why Bill turned to Monica.

Thank you! Goodnight!

Do you work for the White House?

Democats?

HaywoodJablonski: Democats?

Well, it is caturday, after all...

The Numbers:

The comments coming out of the Clinton camp do seem to suggest that they now think they will lose Texas, and are trying to find a way to legitimise carrying on the race even after that defeat. Someone is going to need to have a conversation with Hillary, explain what reality looks like. Glad it isn't going to be me.

No doubt about that! Oh but if someone could capture that ruckus on a hidden camera, it would be worth more than gold.

Flab: HaywoodJablonski: Democats?

Well, it is caturday, after all.

I CAN HAS MOAR TAXES?

/ducks
//Democrat

A poll came out today saying that The Ohio Race is Tied at 45% apeice.

It is amazing. Obama has slowly crawled himself into contention with Hillary, and I think it has more to do with her failures than his successes.

I believe that she has lost Texas, and she will try to spin a RI win as a mandate to continue... and it will be interesting what happens on March 5 and 6th, and see what she does.

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

Could it be that Hillary knows that she's defeated, but her refusal to back down is simply a DNC tactic to keep Obama in the headlines.

Kinda like the DHS security threats every time the Democrats did anything during the 2004 elections, to keep the media talking about Bush instead of Kerry.

coolbeans56: she will try to spin a RI win as a mandate to continue...

..Because a win in the smallest state in the union means that she is loved by the 'Little' people...

Flab: Could it be that Hillary knows that she's defeated, but her refusal to back down is simply a DNC tactic to keep Obama in the headlines.

I don't think that Bill would go along with that considering the hits he's been taking on his legacy since Super Tuesday.

I wasn't serious.

larry00: The momentum is sooo in B's favor it's really weird.
On Democrat Underground many would blow on cue if he said get on your knees.
And thats the white guys ! LOL
Old time tent revival hasn't got anything on the Barockamania Bandwagon.
I just hope he has something better than what he has has thus far shown.
Just voting present isn't an option when you are challenged by despots who will always be testing your responses.

By despots do you mean bush, or are you assuming that McCain will win and carry on where bush left off?