How much can she play the gender card before people notice the deck has 12 queens, and no kings or jacks?

Now imagine if Obama said once "Boy, this is so hard for a black person to do."

Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

Obviously, the road for a black guy with the name Hussein who did coke is much easier

Judging from the way his campaign is moving, I'd say it is.

TheConvincingSavant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

When has he ever said this was harder because he was black? He has said things like "this is unlikely," but he's never complained about it being harder because he is black.

FTFA: And I don't expect any sympathy, I don't expect any kind of, you know, allowances or special privileges, because I knew what I was getting myself into. Every so often I just wish that it were a little more of an even playing field," she said, "but, you know, I play on whatever field is out there."

I agree. Being married to a popular former president really makes the race uneven.

TheConvincingSavant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

Care to back that up with a link?

BobtheFascist: Judging from the way his campaign is moving, I'd say it is.

Or maybe he spins things better and re-directs people's attention better. No magicians have substance. All magicians try to fool you. Some magicians look good doing it.

jazzmajora: Or maybe he spins things better and re-directs people's attention better. No magicians have substance. All magicians try to fool you. Some magicians look good doing it.

Or maybe you're allowed to have great oratory skills AND substance. It's not an either/or proposition, no matter how cynical you are.

/hates cynics.

I thinks its harder because she has run the second worst campaign behind Rudy Giuliani.

Obviously, the road for a guy who did coke is much easier

Remember, GWB became President with these kinds of credentials.

The Convincing Savant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

Yeah, let's see proof of this.

cameroncrazy1984: Or maybe you're allowed to have great oratory skills AND substance. It's not an either/or proposition, no matter how cynical you are.

I'm allowed to own a gun. I don't. There isn't a candidate running with substance, IMHO - even though they're allowed to possess it, and most can't lay claim to even an iota of character. Obama presents well, and he handles himself with far more dignity than Hillary, and he's skilled in rhetoric. He'll get the nomination. If he actually gets elected, we'll see if he shapes the job or if the job shapes him. My own opinion is that he doesn't have the mettle to shape the job, but that's all it is - an opinion.

GWLush: Care to back that up with a link?

Barry has been running for all this time and you have yet to hear one of his hope speeches? I find that hard to believe.

Oh, and I hate optimists and dreamers, too. Like right-wingers and left-wingers, cynics and optimists are extremists. Reality is somewhere in the middle.

jazzmajora - Or maybe he spins things better and re-directs people's attention better. No magicians have substance. All magicians try to fool you. Some magicians look good doing it.



Speaking of spin... The other night I was watching CSPAN. Raul Castro was making a speech to the Cuban lawmakers. Right after was a rerun of a Clinton/Obama debate. So I decided to watch it. Sad as this sounds, Cuba's new dictator sounds like a Republican by comparison.

jazzmajora
I'm allowed to own a gun. I don't. There isn't a candidate running with substance, IMHO - even though they're allowed to possess it, and most can't lay claim to even an iota of character. Obama presents well, and he handles himself with far more dignity than Hillary, and he's skilled in rhetoric. He'll get the nomination. If he actually gets elected, we'll see if he shapes the job or if the job shapes him. My own opinion is that he doesn't have the mettle to shape the job, but that's all it is - an opinion.

And you're entitled to that opinion. I happen to think he'll be able to do the job well, but if he gets elected and proves me wrong, I'll vote to kick his ass out in four years.

Cuba's new dictator sounds like a moderate Republican by comparison.

Oops. FTFmyself

TheConvincingSavant: GWLush: Care to back that up with a link?

Barry has been running for all this time and you have yet to hear one of his hope speeches? I find that hard to believe.

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Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

DamnYankees: TheConvincingSavant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

When has he ever said this was harder because he was black? He has said things like "this is unlikely," but he's never complained about it being harder because he is black.

Yes Hillary talking about it is complaining Obama is mentioning. You realize you're proving her point right?

/will state again for the record I am neither a Hillary or Obama supporter.

BobtheFascist: Obviously, the road for a black guy with the name Hussein who did coke is much easier

Judging from the way his campaign is moving, I'd say it is.

It's sad how the MSM is giving him a pass on pretty much everything.

He really is the Magic Negro^TM from the movies .. well spoken, non-threatening, uplifting & white people are somehow better-off just being in his presence.

Considering he is an Illinois politician, I have no doubt whatsoever that there is a corpse or two down in the dregs of Lake Michigan that he's responsible for.

TheConvincingSavant: Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

Do I need to interject my shiat gold bricks speech again? Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans. Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

Gwendolyn: Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans.

This has been repeated so many times that it pains me to do the same, but...

That's the nature of a stump speech. To rile up your base with slick oratory. You're not going to get policy positions chewed up and fed to you in a campaign speech. By the same standard, Hillary and McCain haven't demonstrated any substance in their speeches either.

I know this. I've been watching them.

Gwendolyn: Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

Yet if you ever watched him talk about his positions in the debates, town hall meetings, and interviews, you'd find much more planning and substance than even Hillary has demonstrated.

I mean for crying out loud. Interest rate freeze? If anyone else but Hillary proposed this, they'd be laughed out of the race.

TheConvincingSavant: Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

None of us have ever heard the word "hope" and immediately thought SECRET MAGIC CODE WORD!!!!!!111 for "Jesus Christ, it sucks being black when you're running for president," no.

Also, I don't get why Hill got off scot free with this "Trade time-out" comment in the last debate. That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard a politician campaign on.

And that's counting the Rhinoceros Party's "Boil Lake Ontario" platform.

Maybe she should try showing more cleavage.

*retch*

DamnYankees: TheConvincingSavant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

When has he ever said this was harder because he was black? He has said things like "this is unlikely," but he's never complained about it being harder because he is black.

What are the last 5 words in my above quote?

miseducated: Gwendolyn: Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans.

This has been repeated so many times that it pains me to do the same, but...

That's the nature of a stump speech. To rile up your base with slick oratory. You're not going to get policy positions chewed up and fed to you in a campaign speech. By the same standard, Hillary and McCain haven't demonstrated any substance in their speeches either.

I know this. I've been watching them.

Gwendolyn: Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

Yet if you ever watched him talk about his positions in the debates, town hall meetings, and interviews, you'd find much more planning and substance than even Hillary has demonstrated.

I mean for crying out loud. Interest rate freeze? If anyone else but Hillary proposed this, they'd be laughed out of the race.

Stop responding to the Hillary troll pretending she's undecided. It's useless.

Gwendolyn: TheConvincingSavant: Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

Do I need to interject my shiat gold bricks speech again? Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans. Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

That's because you don't actually listen to Obama's speeches. He lays out tons of policy along with the rhetorical prettiness. You're just easily duped by media talking points.

Gwendolyn: TheConvincingSavant: Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

Do I need to interject my shiat gold bricks speech again? Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans. Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

I'm not disputing this. I actually agree with you here.

TheConvincingSavant: DamnYankees: TheConvincingSavant: Barry has said the says thing in a less obvious way.

When has he ever said this was harder because he was black? He has said things like "this is unlikely," but he's never complained about it being harder because he is black.

What are the last 5 words in my above quote?

A collection of words Obama has never said?

miseducated: Also, I don't get why Hill got off scot free with this "Trade time-out" comment in the last debate. That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard a politician campaign on.

And that's counting the Rhinoceros Party's "Boil Lake Ontario" platform.

Now now, you should screw with the Rhinoceros. They'll fukking charge your ass.

/sorry to detract from the discussion, I had to go for it ;)

Gwendolyn: TheConvincingSavant: Wow, maybe there is some weight behind this cult idea.

None of you have heard an Obama speech?

Do I need to interject my shiat gold bricks speech again? Seriously his speeches are full of inspiring words and he's a great orator but if you break down the shiat he's just saying a bunch of buzz words strung together. I really want to see some concrete plans. Anyone remember Nixon and his I DO have a plan to get out of Vietnam but I'm not telling you what it is until i get elected? I get that sort of vibe off Obama's speeches.

because you're listening to stump speeches and victory speeches. he fully discloses all the plans he has, you're just not looking for them.

Artmageddon: Now now, you should screw with the Rhinoceros. They'll fukking charge your ass.

/sorry to detract from the discussion, I had to go for it ;)

D'oh, shouldn't. Should not screw with the Rhinoceros. That wasn't a Freudian slip, I swear.

/hangs head shamefully, lol

seriously... watching stump speeches and victory speeches and complaining that he isn't delving deep into policy is like watching spongebob squarepants and complaining that it didn't tackle any controversial social issues.

It's obvious to me that Clinton's whole strategy was positioning herself as the outsider running against the old boy's club. She was probably expecting the race at this point to either be over, or for it to be her against someone like Al Gore or John Edwards. It might actually be a strategy less geared against her Democratic rivals as the eventual Republican nominee, since that was guaranteed to be a white male.

It just doesn't work against Obama, however, and she hasn't come up with a plan B to pull out instead. Or the other plans she's tried, such as harping on Obama's "experience", seem to reinforce the image of her as a shrill, mean harpy.

In any event, and to get back to the topic at hand, yes it is more difficult for Hillary because she's a woman than for Barry because he's a man.

Men can be stern without negative perception. Women are often perceived as biatchy when in positions of power.

Men' in positions of power can shed a tear without the perception of weakness. Women cannot.

Women cannot complain lest they appear to be whining.

Women are either too attractive, or too ugly. People don't really care what men look like.

TheConvincingSavant: People don't really care what men look like.

TheConvincingSavant: In any event, and to get back to the topic at hand, yes it is more difficult for Hillary because she's a woman than for Barry because he's a man.

One of the sweetest ironies I have ever seen on Fark, or in my life, is watching the 23%ers fall all over themselves to make excuses for Hillary Clinton because they are pissing their pants in fear of a Democratic president.

God, you people are pathetic. You've spent the better part of the last two decades spitting at the thought of the Clintons, especially Hillary. Calling her a communist, a murderer, a dyke, a power hungry Lady McBeth.

And now that her nomination is in jeopardy you are licking her ass clean.

Enjoy the taste of eating shiat. Couldn't happen to more deserving folk.

T-Servo: TheConvincingSavant: People don't really care what men look like.

Are you saying that either Nixon or Kennedy were women?

Jon Snow: And now that her nomination is in jeopardy you are licking her ass clean.

with jelly or with syrup?

People don't really care what men look like.

Are you saying that either Nixon or Kennedy were women?

If you ever have what alcoholics call a moment of clarity and wonder why no one ever takes you seriously - you should reread this post. It's VINTAGE tcs. It's that perfect combination of 'can't admit you were wrong' and 'deliberately misinterpreting the point in a completely transparent way'.

TheConvincingSavant: T-Servo: TheConvincingSavant: People don't really care what men look like.

Are you saying that either Nixon or Kennedy were women?

Hell, I'm still waiting for the quote where Barack said it's hard for him to be elected as a black man.

TheConvincingSavant: In any event, and to get back to the topic at hand, yes it is more difficult for Hillary because she's a woman than for Barry because he's a man.

Ok, that's probably true. So lets say its 20% harder to be a woman than a man to be president.

How much harder is it to be black?

How much easier is it to have the an ex-President and the most popular Democrat around be your husband?

DamnYankees: How much harder is it to be black?

Well it's harder than being white, no doubt.

How much easier is it to have the an ex-President and the most popular Democrat around be your husband?

I'm not so sure about this one. I think she'd have been better off having him stay home with the interns. Most of the attacks he's thrown at Obama have hurt his wife.

TheConvincingSavant: Most of the attacks he's thrown at Obama have hurt his wife.

I'm sure you know all about how spouses can sometimes hurt each other with what they say.

Tigger: It's VINTAGE tcs.

Thanks, Tigger. Words failed me.

TheConvincingSavant: DamnYankees: How much harder is it to be black?

Well it's harder than being white, no doubt.

It's not that it's necessarily harder, it's just that there's more of it.

/ba-zing

Hillary on Nightline: Running for President is harder for me, because I'm a woman.



/ ... *sniff*

TheConvincingSavant: DamnYankees: How much harder is it to be black?

Well it's harder than being white, no doubt.

How much easier is it to have the an ex-President and the most popular Democrat around be your husband?

I'm not so sure about this one. I think she'd have been better off having him stay home with the interns. Most of the attacks he's thrown at Obama have hurt his wife.

I am still waiting for a quote there sport. If you can't back your insane bullshiat up stop spouting it.