Seriously, don't they know what a "nation" is? Don't they mean state building? You can't build a nation. Nation is term that describes a group of people who share a common identity, generally through their shared culture, ethnicity, and/or language. I'm trying to think of another exception to this besides Americans (see Samuel Huntington's American Politics: The Promise of Disharmony)

Other than semantically, I suppose this is trouble.

"You put politics in our military!"

"You put the military in our politics!"

We are so fuked.

Well, let me tell you "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building..."

That is so old news. We've been nation-building since at least 1945. The problem is, we haven't been any good at it since 1946.

Not News! Used to be called Gunboat Diplomacy!
Some Democrat started it!
No not the one that nuked Japan either.

The problem isn't nation-building. The problem is destroying nations by paying corporations obscene amounts of money they don't have to compete for, and then paying them to put everything back together in the same fashion.

I don't think any rational liberal is against the war in Afgahnistan. It was justified, and driving out the Taliban was one of the first great American achievements of the 21st century.

We had no business in Iraq, and now we've lost trillions over a war that was supposed to pay for itself.

Thank you crooks, and thank you liars. If you want more of the same, feel free to vote for John McCain. I'm confident that any change Sen. Obama brings, even if it's limited, will be better for the people than what the last eight years of lies and bullshiat has given us.

oAo>

Thanks to this article, I have set about attempting to invent the facepalm emoticon.

Don't you actually have to produce something before you're able to export it...?

yeah our country is in such good shape we want to share it with the world...

rock on america! rock on chicago! wheaties breakfast of champions...

ConservativesBlow: I don't think any rational liberal is against the war in Afgahnistan. It was justified, and driving out the Taliban was one of the first great American achievements of the 21st century.

You are joking, right? the Afgahnistan war is nearly as big a disaster as the Iraq war. The Taliban still controls half the country and the newly-installed government is impotent 20 miles outside Kabul without American assistance.

It's going horrifically poorly. The only reason people think it's a success is that they compare it to Iraq, in which case it looks like its raining puppies and lollipops.

RobsterCraw: Seriously, don't they know what a "nation" is? Don't they mean state building? You can't build a nation. Nation is term that describes a group of people who share a common identity, generally through their shared culture, ethnicity, and/or language. I'm trying to think of another exception to this besides Americans (see Samuel Huntington's American Politics: The Promise of Disharmony)

Plenty of nations have different cultures, ethnicities and languages.

Canada notably, yugoslavia until it broke up, tibet has little in common with the rest of china, the definition of nation you use is quite frankly, bullshiat.

Gunther: You are joking, right? the Afgahnistan war is nearly as big a disaster as the Iraq war. The Taliban still controls half the country and the newly-installed government is impotent 20 miles outside Kabul without American assistance.

Central government is irrelevent, which is why the nationbuilding tactics largely focus on local governance first

That's what is so amazing about Neo-Conservativism. It's adherants REFUSE to debate the issues, instead resorting to personal attack after personal attack. They defeated a man who had a problem displaying any sort of personality by cheating, and they made fun of a Vietnam War verteran for being old, and beat him by a miniscule margin.

Now, facing an opponent who deflects every insult and responds with attacks on policy, they don't know what to do. So they resort to the insults they use in their Republican circle-jerks. LOL HUSSIEN! HAHA MOOSLIMS!

It won't work, but keep trying. It shows the world what 19% of America really is, and the best way to root out evil is to shine a light right on it.

Gunther: ConservativesBlow: I don't think any rational liberal is against the war in Afgahnistan. It was justified, and driving out the Taliban was one of the first great American achievements of the 21st century.

You are joking, right? the Afgahnistan war is nearly as big a disaster as the Iraq war. The Taliban still controls half the country and the newly-installed government is impotent 20 miles outside Kabul without American assistance.

It's going horrifically poorly. The only reason people think it's a success is that they compare it to Iraq, in which case it looks like its raining puppies and lollipops.

I agree wholeheartedly that it has gone to hell. It was initially a success, but our fearless Leader got a little sidetracked with his lust for oil. If we focused on the Taliban like we focused on Iraq, I have no doubt that it could be a bastion of hope for the Middle East right now.

Sure, I could be wrong, but I guess we'll never know now.

ThematicDevice: Central government is irrelevent, which is why the nationbuilding tactics largely focus on local governance first

Has anyone informed Bush of this?

Bush, debate against Al Gore, 2000:

I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow the dictator when it's in our best interests....I'm worried about overcommitting our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. You mentioned Haiti. I wouldn't have sent troops to Haiti. I didn't think it was a mission worthwhile. It was a nation building mission, and it was not very successful. It cost us billions, a couple billions of dollars, and I'm not so sure democracy is any better off in Haiti than it was before.



Replace the word 'Haiti' with Iraq. It's kind of fun, and gives you an idea of what the 2024 presidential campaign will look like.

Gunther: It's going horrifically poorly. The only reason people think it's a success is that they compare it to Iraq, in which case it looks like its raining puppies and lollipops.

That sounds rather messy...

WE'RE GOING TO LIBERATE THE SHIAT OUT OF YOU!

/it's decidedly a better slogan than "Army Strong"

Amirite?

Gunther: ConservativesBlow: I don't think any rational liberal is against the war in Afgahnistan. It was justified, and driving out the Taliban was one of the first great American achievements of the 21st century.

You are joking, right? the Afgahnistan war is nearly as big a disaster as the Iraq war. The Taliban still controls half the country and the newly-installed government is impotent 20 miles outside Kabul without American assistance.

It's going horrifically poorly. The only reason people think it's a success is that they compare it to Iraq, in which case it looks like its raining puppies and lollipops.

...because we ran off to Iraq, instead of putting another 50,000 boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Imagine Musharraf's behavior over the last six years were there double to triple the troops parked next door. Imagine the difference were the enormous eye of American news and public attention focused on Afghanistan 24/7 instead of Iraq.

We began doing the right thing, and then went off on a tangent. End result, we screwed both expeditions by dividing our attentions and muddying our mission statement.

And they told us it wouldn't be another Vietnam.

IXI Jim IXI: Has anyone informed Bush of this?

keeping up appearances with the national government is helpful, uts just when it comes right down to it the PRTs are focusing on local issues, and local governance, while paying lip service to the federal level.

Anyone find it odd how we promote hyper nationalism in the Mid East, then promote international neo-liberal economic policies here in the US

Party Boy: Divide and conquer...?

Party Boy: Anyone find it odd how we promote hyper nationalism in the Mid East, then promote international neo-liberal economic policies here in the US

I never find a politician espousing whatever view earns them the most money and the most stability/upward mobility of position to be odd. Abhorrent, sure, but not odd.

Reminds me of my future sister in law. Told me that the recruiter said she was qualified to work in the biological warfare cleanup crew/whatever section(don't know exactly what its called). Said all these great things about how she scored high on some exam. Signed up for 7 YEARS, thinking her
Yes she's a headstrong stubborn dumbass.

//Wonders how 7yrs of laundry service translate on a resume for a civilian job.

Typical Army, they tell you they'll do one thing, but they end up doing something completely different and asinine.


And why did Bush divert Resources to Iraq? Simple, the man at one point tried to kill his daddy. Makes sense to spend billions and sacrifice thousands of lives and destabilize a country to get back at a man who tried to kill daddy. Its responsible Republican logic and leadership.

More like another way of saying colonialism

Any progress on "Nukular"?

JQPublic

Go polish your lapel pin, fascist.

taste Victory (new window)

ConservativesBlow: JQPublic

Go polish your lapel pin, fascist.

Go wash your Che Guevara t-shirt, communist.

ConservativesBlow: Go polish your lapel pin, fascist.

JQPublic: Go wash your Che Guevara t-shirt, communist.

The Fark Politics Tab: The very zenith of constructive American political discourse.

Screw exporting democracy. Start by exporting the Magna Carta, and maybe the Bill of Rights to some of the more advanced areas.

Uhh, JQPublic, the white guy always gets whooped by the brownish guy. Have you even watched a boxing match?

Sabyen91: Uhh, JQPublic, the white guy always gets whooped by the brownish guy. Have you even watched a boxing match?

Chuck Norris is white. Haven't you seen Delta Force?

Full O' Win, Bush in 2008.

Chuck Norris steps in the ring? Emmanual Lewis would knock him silly. The ring is the white man's Kryptonite.

Sabyen91: Chuck Norris steps in the ring? Emmanual Lewis would knock him silly. The ring is the white man's Kryptonite malt liquor.


/fixed.

Lemme guess submitter, you are one of those criticizing the government for not preparing for post-invasion Iraq.

So the military responds and realizes "Wait a minute, 21st century wars require a lot of post-invasion stuff, lets update our manual to reflect that." And you criticize them for that?

helix400: Lemme guess submitter, you are one of those criticizing the government for not preparing for post-invasion Iraq.

So the military responds and realizes "Wait a minute, 21st century wars require a lot of post-invasion stuff, lets update our manual to reflect that." And you criticize them for that?

"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
-George W. Bush
(Greatest President Ever)

Bush_in_2008: helix400: Lemme guess submitter, you are one of those criticizing the government for not preparing for post-invasion Iraq.

So the military responds and realizes "Wait a minute, 21st century wars require a lot of post-invasion stuff, lets update our manual to reflect that." And you criticize them for that?

"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
-George W. Bush
(Greatest President Ever)

I'm not sure who is satirizing whom here...

helix400: Lemme guess submitter, you are one of those criticizing the government for not preparing for post-invasion Iraq.

So the military responds and realizes "Wait a minute, 21st century wars require a lot of post-invasion stuff, lets update our manual to reflect that." And you criticize them for that?

I think it's the feeling that they are not just being prepared for more wars, but are preparing for more wars.