What about Beer Barons?

Subby is obviously not aware that drug profits and property obtained from drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

There's currently a bill in the WA state legislature to seize cars from people busted for soliciting prostitutes.

Yeah. That'll stop it.

Sounds like what happens right here in the good old US of A

real shaman: Subby is obviously not aware that drug profits and property obtained from drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

And the best part? It's legal! thanks Supreme Court! Thanks for shredding the Constitution!

assholes.

the war on drugs keeping cops employed from coast to coast


when's the last time you heard of police layoffs?

British police will soon be able to seize property from suspected drug barons - down to the rings on their fingers - before they are even charged for an offense. Lucky for them they don't have a pesky constitution to worry about

So what, the Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper.

Lucky for them they don't have a pesky constitution to worry about

Actually, we do (new window). It's just not all written down in one place.

Not that it makes a difference anyway, as you have discovered.

Lucky for them they don't have a pesky constitution to worry about

Yeah, the fools!

They should have one, then ignore it, like Americans.

Weaver95: real shaman: Subby is obviously not aware that drug profits and property obtained from drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

And the best part? It's legal! thanks Supreme Court! Thanks for shredding the Constitution!

assholes.

B ... B ... But teh childrenz! We're protecting teh childrenz from the evals of drugz!! Why do you hate America children so much?

Sort of like they do here now, only except for the Constitution they get around by ignoring it.

all you people are soft on crime!

mailroomjack: the war on drugs keeping cops employed from coast to coast


when's the last time you heard of police layoffs?

About a week ago. They're probably going to have to do it right here in Muncie, IN due to budget cuts.

Yes, they'll raise their deadly nightsticks and intimidate those drug barons into handing over all their weapons.

There are so many reasons why these naturally occurring substances are illegal, and not one of them is honest.

I'll try to break it down and keep it short:

1. minorities brought their habits of using these substances with them when they emigrated to America (cannabis, opium, mescaline, 'shrooms, etc)
2. established businesses were threatened by the possible competition (hemp) (paper, medicine, cotton, building materials, alcohol, livestock feed...)
3. slavery ended in the 1860s (though many a politician supported 'grandfather clauses' that of course covertly discriminated) so it was impossible to get cheap labor
4. fledgeling pharma wanted to research synthetic drugs which would be of no use if people could cure their ills with natural substances

Anyone wanna add anything else?

phillydrifter
regardless of the reasons they were originally made illegal (dubiously IMO), they will remain so indefinitely because drug forfeiture is such a cash cow for law enforcement.

count chocula: phillydrifter
regardless of the reasons they were originally made illegal (dubiously IMO), they will remain so indefinitely because drug forfeiture is such a cash cow for law enforcement.

only if you roll over and let them.

I made this not too long ago, sorry it's large but i think it has some relevence to this topic, now that it's been greenlit:

only if you roll over and let them.

another sad fact to consider how effective years of misinformation from the government has really turned public opinion. the fact is, the majority of American's really believe that it's in the best interest of society to control 'illicit' drugs, even if it means forfeiting civil liberties.

of course, you and i would probably argue that prohibition generally makes the problems associated with drug use worse. but that argument would be political suicide for any politician that would seriously like to reform drug laws. imagine what their political opponents would say about them (basically, the think of the children angle).

Subby must be a real 'Murican.. you know, one of those heroic souls that's completely unaware that if he has a few grand in cash and gets pulled over for a broken tail light, he's gonna lose that money..

The constituion is only as strong as the people willing to stand up and support it.

So yeah, it might as well not even exist.

the majority of American's really believe that it's in the best interest of society to control 'illicit' drugs, even if it means forfeiting civil liberties.

Replace "illicit drugs" with whatever social malfunction the media is alarming about at the moment. Alcohol, guns, video games, terrorism, "mandatory" healthcare... people are are always willing to trade liberty for security.

Due to federal seizure laws, this kind of thing happens all the time in the United States. You can be pulled over on the highway or detained in an airport, and if you have a pile of money you can't explain to their liking, they can take it from you and release you without charging you with a crime.

Google it and you might be surprised.

Such laws already exist in Fark's favorite state. Here in [Florida] when you are arrested for a felony, the state has the right to seize all of your immediate property, even if you aren't convicted of the felony. Can't get it back either. Joy.

/Almost had that happen to me for throwing a 24 oz. Rockstar (full) at a douche chill driving an International MXT
//Google the truck and you'll see I was justified.

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: Weaver95: real shaman: Subby is obviously not aware that drug profits and property obtained from drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

And the best part? It's legal! thanks Supreme Court! Thanks for shredding the Constitution!

assholes.

B ... B ... But teh childrenz! We're protecting teh childrenz from the evals of drugz!! Why do you hate America children so much?

I love children. They taste just like chicken.

The people who wrote the US Constitution would be surprised to learn that the British have no Constitution, seeing as they modeled theirs after it.

real shaman: Subby is obviously not aware that drug profits and property obtained from drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

You beat me too it.

For those of you who don't know, look up "drug profits" + "asset forfeiture."

Apparently the US doesn't have a pesky Constitution to worry about anymore, either.

Think it'd kill someone like Obama to say he's going to reconsider this sort of stuff?

What I want to know is (for the US, not the UK) is how would law enforcement tell the difference between wealth you had before you reaped drug profits and those you had after you reaped drug profits.

In other words, that ring on your finger was yours before you started selling dope but the car in your garage was yours after you started selling dope.

I can't word my question well - but you get the drift, correct?

Or would they say:

"fark you citizen, we are taking it all and you can go suck cock for a living, and if you are innocent then it sucks to be you."

mailroomjack: the war on drugs keeping cops employed from coast to coast


when's the last time you heard of police layoffs?

When a drug dealer aims well? Oh wait. That's called a firing.

What about drug vicounts, drug dukes, and drug earls?

Lionel Mandrake 2008-02-24 07:00:01 PM Lucky for them they don't have a pesky constitution to worry about

Yeah, the fools! They should have one, then ignore it, like Americans.
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No, just Bush. And his compadres.

The rest of care, (I hope?)

Same as in the US.

/they are jealous of our freedom ... okay

MBA Whore: What I want to know is (for the US, not the UK) is how would law enforcement tell the difference between wealth you had before you reaped drug profits and those you had after you reaped drug profits.

In other words, that ring on your finger was yours before you started selling dope but the car in your garage was yours after you started selling dope.

I can't word my question well - but you get the drift, correct?

Or would they say:

"fark you citizen, we are taking it all and you can go suck cock for a living, and if you are innocent then it sucks to be you."

I guess they would start by looking at your tax records.

This is an awesome combo for prosecutors to make themselves looks good.

1. Arrest some guy, seize all this stuff
2. Since all assets are seized, he is stuck with crappy public defender and has no way of making bail.
3. Auction the goods and get promoted, aka PROFIT!!!

The Magna Carta is just a goddamn piece of parchment.

It's not like Americans care about the Constitution, or they would all vote for...

Ron Paul.

(You knew it was coming.)

/Where were you when they stole the country out from us?
//What are you going to do about it?
///You are not going to do a damn thing but be sheep.
////Baaa, Baaa. (Translation: I'm not voting for Ron Paul. Oh, and here's my gun, it don't fit my hoof anyway.)

real shaman: Subby is obviously not aware that suspected drug profits and property obtained from suspected drug profits can be seized in this country without any charges being filed, in spite of what the US Constitution says.

FTFY

MBA Whore: What I want to know is (for the US, not the UK) is how would law enforcement tell the difference between wealth you had before you reaped drug profits and those you had after you reaped drug profits.

In other words, that ring on your finger was yours before you started selling dope but the car in your garage was yours after you started selling dope.

I can't word my question well - but you get the drift, correct?

Or would they say:

"fark you citizen, we are taking it all and you can go suck cock for a living, and if you are innocent then it sucks to be you."

A subcontractor that did some work for me got busted for weed a couple of years ago. Note - he was NOT CONVICTED. He came home to find the cops waiting for him. He had just been to the bank cashing the $5,000 check I had given him. He had the bank info, copies of the invoices he'd given me, etc. The cops took all that money, and never gave it back. Their argument was that he had no proof that the $5000 cash was the actual cash from the $5000 check he'd just cashed, or payment for the $5000 invoice, and that if he'd been dealing he would have had $5000 from drug profits, so they were going to assume that's where the money came from. Again, HE WAS NOT CONVICTED, but he never got that money back. He couldn't even get the case heard in court.

The U.S constitution is lingering on life support as it is, so I wouldn't be badmouthing the Brits too much on this.