Is so patriotic that, with the country facing economic peril, that they devolve to the classic Nixonian smear tactics. Shouldn't they be using their minds to synthesize new opportunity? What were they conserving, again?

Oh, and, by running for president, he is risking his life. Four presidents have been killed in office, others wounded. When one does the math, it turns out to be a very risky profession, indeed. Alternately, he could hang out with his beautiful wife in his gorgeous neighborhood in his nice house, playing with his clever kids. Whats a guy gotta do to get some respect, anyway?

FTA: Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

WTF? The reason he did't wear specifically a "flag pin" was because the iconography has been totally hijacked by numbnuts like this. God, I just can't imagine a day in the lives of people who believe this kind of tripe.

More often than not the lapel pin wearers are the ones who hiding behind old glory have spent the last 6 years peddling fear and cowardice and with Lee Greenwood turned up to 10 so you don't notice them emptying the nation's coffers into their pockets. Look behind the lapel pin and you're likely to find a common crook.

Patriotism for these squish-heads isn't about supporting the ideals of the nation. It's all about supporting the local team and the team colors. It wouldn't matter to them what kind of government they had or how evil the leaders were, as long as they lead the rah-rah, ain't we swell? chorus.

These people are the salt of the earth.
You know. Morons.

ha, ha flag pinheads

No amount of spin will change the fact that Michelle Obama should have kept her mouth shut and that point will get repeated until it is drilled into the brain of independents and left-leaning republicans and scares a lot of them away.

Tatsuma: No amount of spin will change the fact that Michelle Obama should have kept her mouth shut and that point will get repeated until it is drilled into the brain of independents and left-leaning republicans and scares a lot of them away.

Shut your whore mouth!

/sorry, first thing I thought of.

Tatsuma: No amount of spin will change the fact that Michelle Obama should have kept her mouth shut and that point will get repeated until it is drilled into the brain of independents and left-leaning republicans and scares a lot of them away.


Actually, Hillary helped make that go away with her Shame On You comment.

Hey guys, has anyone pointed out that his middle name is Hussein yet?

Tatsuma: No amount of spin will change the fact that Michelle Obama should have kept her mouth shut and that point will get repeated until it is drilled into the brain of independents and left-leaning republicans and scares a lot of them away.

I've seen that same 'proud of America' comment from other people, and it was almost always African-Americans saying they were proud that the country can for once support a black candidate. It kind of makes sense in that context, but at the same time Obama was smart enough not to explain it as a race issue, and instead just take the lumps.

And for that matter, Bill should have kept his mouth shut, too.

FTA:
"Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America," Obama frequently tells voters.
"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," he adds.

I wish we lived in a country where he -- and anyone else seeking office -- could say:
"Where, and whether, I attend church is none of your farking business."

/what the Founding Fathers intended

Don't Tase Me Bro: FTA:
"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," he adds.

If I don't go to church I'm not patriotic?

T-Servo: If I don't go to church I'm not patriotic?

Apparently not, according to the Ridiculous Right.

I personally like it when they refer to him as "Messiah-like". (pops)

It's like they are saying "we haven't been bashing the guy for 19 years like Hillary -so quick think of something fast".

"Nationalism is an infantile disease."
- Albert Einstein

Because People in power are Stupid: It's like they are saying "we haven't been bashing the guy for 19 years like Hillary -so quick think of something fast".

Please, read the Nader thread and tell me that it's not easy to say that when people say that "people have that little faith in Obama" or that there mere fact he'll be in office means that "There will not be any terrorist attacks on America" and bad photoshops of him as Neo from the Matrix with the caption "He is the one!"

T-Servo: If I don't go to church I'm not patriotic?

I would vote for a candidate who said, "I have to admit, when other people are reading the Bible in church, I'm studying the Constitution at home."

It would be worth it to see the cranial explosions of some on the religious right.

Snarfangel: I would vote for a candidate who said, "I have to admit, when other people are reading the Bible in church, I'm studying the Constitution at home."

... and I'd tell him "Dude, the Constitution isn't that long, you should have learned it all by now, and the writers' strike is over, stop being a weirdo"

Snarfangel: I would vote for a candidate who said, "I have to admit, when other people are reading the Bible in church, I'm studying the Constitution at home."

But how can you understand the Constitution without knowing why Jesus wrote it that way?

vincentpriceisdead: FTA: Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

WTF? The reason he did't wear specifically a "flag pin" was because the iconography has been totally hijacked by numbnuts like this. God, I just can't imagine a day in the lives of people who believe this kind of tripe.

One day, he'll show up wearing 15 pieces of flair, but by then 17 will be required to show true patriotism.

He'll never win the Patriotic Flair race.

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

Tatsuma: Please, read the Nader thread and tell me that it's not easy to say that when people say that "people have that little faith in Obama" or that there mere fact he'll be in office means that

ok, then perhaps i should have said "that little faith in his campaigning abilities".

My point still stands that Nader isn't going to draw enough people from Obama to make a difference.

SilentStrider: ok, then perhaps i should have said "that little faith in his campaigning abilities".

I wasn't talking about you personally, although you are the first one I've seen today make that comment, but I've seen the words "faith" and "in Obama" thrown around enough recently for me to be a bit disturbed by it

Tatsuma: Snarfangel: I would vote for a candidate who said, "I have to admit, when other people are reading the Bible in church, I'm studying the Constitution at home."

... and I'd tell him "Dude, the Constitution isn't that long, you should have learned it all by now, and the writers' strike is over, stop being a weirdo"

Ah, but if it were that simple, the members of the Supreme Court would have a lot more time on their hands.

Don't Tase Me Bro: FTA:
"Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America," Obama frequently tells voters.
"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," he adds.

I wish we lived in a country where he -- and anyone else seeking office -- could say:
"Where, and whether, I attend church is none of your farking business."

/what the Founding Fathers intended

C'mon now. If Obama really was a Muslim like the Republicans are trying to insinuate, then we all know he would have no chance of winning squat. Everyone knows that oppressed Christians are the majority of this country.

Obama is running for President of the country he has, not the country we wish we had.

AmazingRuss: One day, he'll show up wearing 15 pieces of flair, but by then 17 will be required to show true patriotism.

He'll never win the Patriotic Flair race.

You know who else liked pieces of "flair"?

Unright: If Obama really was a Muslim like the Republicans are trying to insinuate, then we all know he would have no chance of winning squat.



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"I go to baseball games and football games and there's just a minority of us who put our hands over our heart. It's not an indication of patriotism..."

This is pretty much what I was I was thinking. I went to a NASCAR event last year and looked around during the Anthem and noticed that me a my friend were the only people I could see with our hands on our hearts. It makes me wonder how many of those other people there, with their hands at their sides are the same people who fall for smear tactics like this.

submitter: Well, that didn't take long: Conservatives say Obama lacks their definition of patriotism

that's more like it

The Onanist: Unright: If Obama really was a Muslim like the Republicans are trying to insinuate, then we all know he would have no chance of winning squat.

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Touché. But do you really think that Obama would be as popular as he is today if he were Muslim?

Didn't these kiddie touching weirdos also try to question the patriotism of John "I got jabbed in the nuts with a bamboo stick as a POW for a few years" McCain in 2000? At least they're consistent.

Unright: The Onanist: Unright: If Obama really was a Muslim like the Republicans are trying to insinuate, then we all know he would have no chance of winning squat.

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Touché. But do you really think that Obama would be as popular as he is today if he were Muslim?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the people who wouldn't vote for a person just because they were a Muslim probably aren't voting for Obama anyways.

Lick my chode you fkn "Conservative" dirtbags.

Fear! Division! Fear! Lies! Fear! Rumors! Fear! Fear! Fear!

That does it, I'm donating to Obama...again.

If given the choice between someone who isn't "patriotic" and someone who will bend the American people and the Constitution over like a desk clerk in Kobe Bryant's hotel room, I'll take "unpatriotic", thank you.

"There are plenty of Autobots for you. Ultra Magnus is mine!" -Galvatron

Cagey B: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the people who wouldn't vote for a person just because they were a Muslim probably aren't voting for Obama anyways.

You have to understand that there are many well-meaning, but sheltered Christian Americans who vote. Obama needs to appeal to the masses to win, not the cynical Fark atheists who know everything.

It's up to the Obama campaign to stifle misinformation about Obama. They cannot afford to allow people to think Obama is a Muslim, because Americans have an overall low opinion of Muslims.

Obama's been fighting off this crap for months, and he might be about to secure the Democratic nomination. It hasn't worked now, and it won't work later. Obama will diffuse this shiat the way he's been doing for months.

Doctor Funkenstein: Nader eh? Well blows me down. I ain't no tailor but I knows what suits me. I makes it to the finnich when Nader makes Obama his bizzitch, I'm McCain, the president man. Toot, toot!

Fark me. Wrong thread. Mods, can you snip that out if you get a chance? Or, I guess you could just leave it and let people make fun of me for being a dumbass. 6 to 1, half dozen to the other.

Doctor Funkenstein: Doctor Funkenstein: Nader eh? Well blows me down. I ain't no tailor but I knows what suits me. I makes it to the finnich when Nader makes Obama his bizzitch, I'm McCain, the president man. Toot, toot!

Fark me. Wrong thread. Mods, can you snip that out if you get a chance? Or, I guess you could just leave it and let people make fun of me for being a dumbass. 6 to 1, half dozen to the other.

heh. good luck with that

Doctor Funkenstein: Doctor Funkenstein: Nader eh? Well blows me down. I ain't no tailor but I knows what suits me. I makes it to the finnich when Nader makes Obama his bizzitch, I'm McCain, the president man. Toot, toot!

Fark me. Wrong thread. Mods, can you snip that out if you get a chance? Or, I guess you could just leave it and let people make fun of me for being a dumbass. 6 to 1, half dozen to the other.

Yes, well, that image amuses me, so you get a Dumbass Pass™ from me this time.

While Obama was refusing to put his hand over his heart, Bill Clinton was making sure his hands were over the hearts of every attractive woman in the audience.

Vote Hillary. Her spouse is really patriotic.

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Doctor Funkenstein: Doctor Funkenstein: Nader eh? Well blows me down. I ain't no tailor but I knows what suits me. I makes it to the finnich when Nader makes Obama his bizzitch, I'm McCain, the president man. Toot, toot!

Fark me. Wrong thread. Mods, can you snip that out if you get a chance? Or, I guess you could just leave it and let people make fun of me for being a dumbass. 6 to 1, half dozen to the other.

Never recall anything. Just learn how to fix it with spin, or let others do it for you. Michelle Obama teach you anything?

mamoru: "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

Is this a thread for great Oscar Wilde quotes? Awesome:

"Java, because Latte is just too gay. Even for California."

~ Oscar Wilde on Sun Microsystem's Java Programming Language

muck4doo: Never recall anything. Just learn how to fix it with spin, or let others do it for you. Michelle Obama teach you anything?

Good point. To the untrained eye, it would appear that my post would be better placed elsewhere. But to the unHitlered eye, it's right where it should be, speaking a thousand truths. So, people, how Hitler are you?

Whatever people.

Tatsuma: Please, read the Nader thread and tell me that it's not easy to say that when people say that "people have that little faith in Obama" or that there mere fact he'll be in office means that "There will not be any terrorist attacks on America" and bad photoshops of him as Neo from the Matrix with the caption "He is the one!"

Wow, way to stretch. The concept of having faith in a person to perform well is a fairly common one where I'm from. It doesn't mean that we have "faith" in his divine abilities. Also, the "There will not be any terrorist attacks on America" was simply someone stating his belief that the foreign policy that Obama will introduce will bring down the amount of potential terrorists, and that combined with America's quite excellent law enforcement departments makes it unlikely that we will see future terrorist attacks on our soil. Not, as you chose to interpret it, that Obama will stop the terrorists with his mind bullets.

The photoshop, I will grant you, was pretty terrible.

Chameleon: Also, the "There will not be any terrorist attacks on America" was simply someone stating his belief that the foreign policy that Obama will introduce will bring down the amount of potential terrorists

How do you buy this? He's not proposing much of a foreign policy change. Admittedly, he's for a mostly pre-Bush foreign policy, but that's still the same policy that brought us 9/11.

sorry about Giuliani'ing the thread