Clinton:"I may garnish wages of people who don't join my health care"
Obama:"Clinton may garnish wages of people who don't join her health care".
Clinton:"ZOMG SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR KARL ROVE ATTACKS"

she is hellbent on going down in flames, isn't she?

clgrin: Clinton:"I may garnish wages of people who don't join my health care"
Obama:"Clinton may garnish wages of people who don't join her health care".
Clinton:"ZOMG SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR KARL ROVE ATTACKS"

Does Hillary realize that everything she has ever said in front of a camera is out there on the internet? And that all of her speeches are easily found and downloaded for easy fact checking at a moment's notice?

Even the average voter could fact check Obama and Hillary's speeches before they're even off the damn stage at a debate.

burndtdan: she is hellbent on going down in flames, isn't she?

lets hope.

Weaver95: clgrin: Clinton:"I may garnish wages of people who don't join my health care"
Obama:"Clinton may garnish wages of people who don't join her health care".
Clinton:"ZOMG SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR KARL ROVE ATTACKS"

Does Hillary realize that everything she has ever said in front of a camera is out there on the internet? And that all of her speeches are easily found and downloaded for easy fact checking at a moment's notice?

Even the average voter could fact check Obama and Hillary's speeches before they're even off the damn stage at a debate.

eh... it's a generation gap. i would imagine the same type of thing happened with the advent of mass media like television. there was probably an older group of politicians that just didn't get it, that their speeches and debates could be seen, unedited, unfiltered, by everyone.

she and others of her generation probably just don't really get it that the information is even more accessible, at all times, for easy comparison.

we need some new blood in washington. i respect the wisdom of those older than i, but i'd rather have that wisdom come in the form of an advisor than the person actually making the decisions when the wise older person is completely out of touch with the modern world.

burndtdan: she is hellbent on going down in flames, isn't she?

11 straight losses. You'd figure that would be a big old sign that you were doomed....

*sigh*

Ah well, at least we can't doubt Hillary's commitment to her cause. She is extremely dedicated to the idea of being the first woman president in US history.

A big criticism of her is her slipping into a hectoring schoolmarm persona, raising her voice like that history teacher you friggin' hated...basically, the fact that she sounds like how you imagine Charlie Brown's teacher spoke. So what does she do to combat this?

Stand at a podium, wave around papers angrily, and snarl. Brilliant.

burndtdan: she and others of her generation probably just don't really get it that the information is even more accessible, at all times, for easy comparison.

Personally, I don't WANT the beltway insider crowd to figure out how to (ab)use the internet. I'm glad that they're mostly clueless about how pervasive it is and how easy it makes it for us to keep tabs on our favorite pork barrel spenders, tax cheats and frauds. If Congress ever really understood the power inherent to free and easy access to information, they'd outlaw the entire 'net.

Weaver95: burndtdan: she and others of her generation probably just don't really get it that the information is even more accessible, at all times, for easy comparison.

Personally, I don't WANT the beltway insider crowd to figure out how to (ab)use the internet. I'm glad that they're mostly clueless about how pervasive it is and how easy it makes it for us to keep tabs on our favorite pork barrel spenders, tax cheats and frauds. If Congress ever really understood the power inherent to free and easy access to information, they'd outlaw the entire 'net.

i don't necessarily want them to try to game the system after realizing it's power, but maybe it would make them at least think more before they speak. perhaps it would even clean up the process a bit... when every little thing they do is visible, they might be less inclined to do things that would not look so good.

if you turn on the light, the cockroaches tend to run away.

Dear Hillary,
Please go away now.

Signed,
Everyone

burndtdan: i don't necessarily want them to try to game the system after realizing it's power, but maybe it would make them at least think more before they speak. perhaps it would even clean up the process a bit... when every little thing they do is visible, they might be less inclined to do things that would not look so good.

if you turn on the light, the cockroaches tend to run away.

This is the same government that tends to prosecute whistleblowers rather than fix the problems they reported. I think they'd rather outlaw and/or regulate the hell out of the net than let us dirty commoners talk about the right and honorable senatorial classes out here in the digital wastelands.

Weaver95: burndtdan: i don't necessarily want them to try to game the system after realizing it's power, but maybe it would make them at least think more before they speak. perhaps it would even clean up the process a bit... when every little thing they do is visible, they might be less inclined to do things that would not look so good.

if you turn on the light, the cockroaches tend to run away.

This is the same government that tends to prosecute whistleblowers rather than fix the problems they reported. I think they'd rather outlaw and/or regulate the hell out of the net than let us dirty commoners talk about the right and honorable senatorial classes out here in the digital wastelands.

fair enough. i bow to your cynicism.

The biggest casualty in all this is Bill. A year ago I'd have paid to go and see him speak. Now, I'd be in the background booing him. Shes ruined the Clinton name for years to come.

burndtdan: fair enough. i bow to your cynicism.

I wish to GOD that I was wrong, but look at the drift in this country....eminent domain seizures have less and less restrictions, more and more groups are suing to narrow the definition of free speech (from gay rights groups to christians fundies are involved), there is a greater push for gun control, the war on drugs has all but eliminated the 4th amendment and the patriot act looks like it'll finish off the 5th amendment for us.

We're becoming more intolerant of dissent, both on the right AND the left. And we're using the power of the central government to push our ideological mandates. From universal health care to 'faith based' initatives, we want more government and more regulation and less trust of the individual. Not exactly encouraging news for people who want LESS government and more freedom.

Weaver95: and the patriot act looks like it'll finish off the 5th amendment for us.


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Ground_Hog: The biggest casualty in all this is Bill. A year ago I'd have paid to go and see him speak. Now, I'd be in the background booing him. Shes ruined the Clinton name for years to come.

I'd have to agree, on all points.

Weaver95: 11 straight losses. You'd figure that would be a big old sign that you were doomed....

But she won in California and New York. Her campaign has long counted on those pulling her through. Flyover country is of no intrest to her. I hope we shove it up her ass in Ohio. At least Rudy knew when to quit.

Beyond pathetic. This is, perhaps, the 2nd most hypocritical thing that has occurred since this election cycle began. The first was Bush criticizing Cuba for rigged election.

It's also pathetic how she did this after being so concilliatory in the debate - a moment she is now using in ads, btw. What the hell was she thinking? Did it think it would make this look less negative? Did she merely want to use the niceness as a commercial? Is she insane? For Clinton to accuse Obama of using Rovian tactics would be like Hillary criticizing him for supporting the war. 180 degrees from reality.

Here's hoping she burns on 3/4, and feels the heat every second for the next 10 days.

OregonVet: Weaver95: 11 straight losses. You'd figure that would be a big old sign that you were doomed....

But she won in California and New York. Her campaign has long counted on those pulling her through. Flyover country is of no intrest to her. I hope we shove it up her ass in Ohio. At least Rudy knew when to quit.

I honestly don't know if Hillary is going to quit after losing Texas and Ohio. On one hand, she made noises like she realizes it's over, then the next day changes her mind and goes on a full attack across the board. I don't know if she's delusional or if she's playing some sort of weird game.

I only know that I won't be the only one watching texas and ohio. i'm sure that after she loses those two races, the pressure on her to withdraw will only get louder. Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine as to what Hillary will do next....

Weaver95: OregonVet: Weaver95: 11 straight losses. You'd figure that would be a big old sign that you were doomed....

But she won in California and New York. Her campaign has long counted on those pulling her through. Flyover country is of no intrest to her. I hope we shove it up her ass in Ohio. At least Rudy knew when to quit.

I honestly don't know if Hillary is going to quit after losing Texas and Ohio. On one hand, she made noises like she realizes it's over, then the next day changes her mind and goes on a full attack across the board. I don't know if she's delusional or if she's playing some sort of weird game.

I only know that I won't be the only one watching texas and ohio. i'm sure that after she loses those two races, the pressure on her to withdraw will only get louder. Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine as to what Hillary will do next....

I think if she loses TX and OH, even if she doesn't concede, Obama will just start the general election. He should just ignore her and start against McCain. That's what McCain is doing now with Huckabee, and Barack should do the same. She would look small and pathetic.

My favorite part is where she doesn't comment because she "doesn't make predictions". For more reading on prediction making, see
Hillary predicts a Democratic President (new window)
Hillary predicts that the Democratic nomination will be wrapped up on Super Tuesday (new window)
Hillary predicts a recession (new window)
Hillary predicts her election will immediately reduce oil prices (new window)

With all this bullshiat, it's no wonder that
Bill Clinton predicts that Hillary is completely farking screwed if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio (new window)

burndtdan: she and others of her generation probably just don't really get it that the information is even more accessible, at all times, for easy comparison.

DamnYankees: I think if she loses TX and OH, even if she doesn't concede, Obama will just start the general election. He should just ignore her and start against McCain. That's what McCain is doing now with Huckabee, and Barack should do the same. She would look small and pathetic.

I think Hillary *already* looks small and pathetic. That whole xerox comment was almost painful to watch. Hillary is getting more and more desperate as we get closer to the end and the math ain't working in her favor.

Ok, here's my speculation - I think Hillary really and honestly believed that she had the nomination wrapped up before the primaries even started. She didn't see any credible threats to her eventual success, she figured it was over before it started and nobody on her staff told her Obama was a threat. So here we are a couple months later and she's pretty much lost the race. Hillary simply cannot believe that she's lost the election. So she's campaigning mostly out of disbelief at this point. When we get to the end of the road and Obama is the clear winner, Hillary is going to sit there in stunned shock that it's over and she lost. She might even need psychological help to get over it. THAT is how certain she is that she's going to win....that she's pathologically incapable of admitting defeat.

But that's just my opinion. take it for what you will.

Weaver95: Personally, I don't WANT the beltway insider crowd to figure out how to (ab)use the internet. I'm glad that they're mostly clueless about how pervasive it is and how easy it makes it for us to keep tabs on our favorite pork barrel spenders, tax cheats and frauds. If Congress ever really understood the power inherent to free and easy access to information, they'd outlaw the entire 'net.

That's one of the reasons I like Obama- not only does he understand this technology, but he's vowed to use it to make government more accessible, transparent, and thus, accountable. This all might change with the President after him, but I feel pretty certain that for at least four years, it'll be fat times in the tubes.

Radioactive Ass: burndtdan: she and others of her generation probably just don't really get it that the information is even more accessible, at all times, for easy comparison.

god damn it that picture makes me laugh every farking time i see it.

Weaver95: Ok, here's my speculation - I think Hillary really and honestly believed that she had the nomination wrapped up before the primaries even started. She didn't see any credible threats to her eventual success, she figured it was over before it started and nobody on her staff told her Obama was a threat. So here we are a couple months later and she's pretty much lost the race. Hillary simply cannot believe that she's lost the election. So she's campaigning mostly out of disbelief at this point. When we get to the end of the road and Obama is the clear winner, Hillary is going to sit there in stunned shock that it's over and she lost. She might even need psychological help to get over it. THAT is how certain she is that she's going to win....that she's pathologically incapable of admitting defeat.

I think this is one of the biggest reasons I hate her, and one of the biggest ways she is just like Bush - her advisors are horrific. She picks yes-men, people with no perspective, insiders, and idiots to run her campaign. Why would her presidency be any different? Bush's biggest (well, one of them) problems is his compeltel inability to be confronted with an opposing view, and an inability to distinguish good advice from bad advice.

Hillary is the exact same.

Weaver95 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-02-23 06:38:40 PM
OregonVet: Weaver95: 11 straight losses. You'd figure that would be a big old sign that you were doomed....

But she won in California and New York. Her campaign has long counted on those pulling her through. Flyover country is of no intrest to her. I hope we shove it up her ass in Ohio. At least Rudy knew when to quit.

I honestly don't know if Hillary is going to quit after losing Texas and Ohio. On one hand, she made noises like she realizes it's over, then the next day changes her mind and goes on a full attack across the board. I don't know if she's delusional or if she's playing some sort of weird game.

If he wins one, maybe she will stay in.

But if she loses both it will be such a massive embarrassment, after 11 strait double digit losses, that even Hillary would have to quit.

I realized their differences a few days ago:

Hilary wants to get the job (win the job), the position.
Obama wants to *do* the job, wants to help the Country.

She's fighting for her own personal glory, and she has such a sense of entitlement it seems.

Bill Frist: even Hillary would have to quit

You speak with "logic". The Hildebeast knows not of this vicious voodoo.

Bill Frist: But if she loses both it will be such a massive embarrassment, after 11 strait double digit losses, that even Hillary would have to quit.

If we were dealing with a normal person I would tend to agree. However, I get the impression that Hillary's ego is large enough that she might just ignore 13 straight losses as 'insignificant'.

Again, i'm just speculating here. I don't really know what Hillary will do after Texas and Ohio.

Weaver95: If Congress ever really understood the power inherent to free and easy access to information, they'd outlaw the entire 'net.

China knows that. Australia and England have figured it out too. They're on the fast track to national filtering technology.

And with Clinton spouting the same censorship ideas whenever she can, it'll be on the agenda if she gets the nom.

Sammy Jenkins: I would have voted for you up to a week ago, but you've turned into a shrieking harpy shrew.

You would have voted for Clinton a week ago?

*punches Sammy in the face*

She's been a shrieking harpy shrew for months man, where have you been?!

Humean_Nature: Sammy Jenkins: I would have voted for you up to a week ago, but you've turned into a shrieking harpy shrew.

You would have voted for Clinton a week ago?

*punches Sammy in the face*

She's been a shrieking harpy shrew for months man, where have you been?!

Dude just be happy that he's on the boat now. I mean sometimes people need more time than others. I agree with you but... it doesn't mean you should push them away though.

Sammy Jenkins: I would have voted for you up to a week ago, but you've turned into a shrieking harpy shrew.

I'm glad you've come around. I think it'll be better this way, really.

Youtube link. (pops)

No, you can't have the nomination.

Not yours

Aw man,I'm stuck on the couch with the flu, and I saw her mailer-waving, 'Shame on you, Barack Obama' speech today. That is one angry, shrill little woman. I can't believe anyone would entertain the idea of that harpy scolding everyone and their dog for the next 4 years. On March 4 here in Texas, my husband and I are voting Obama. If we need to go caucus that night, we'll go caucus. Anything to keep that shrew off the airwaves. And if she somehow wins the Dem nomination, I guaran-damn-tee I'll vote third party before I'll vote for her.

Humean_Nature: *punches Sammy in the face*

She's been a shrieking harpy shrew for months man, where have you been?!

*lightly taps Humean in the face*

She's been a shrieking harpy shrew for YEARS man, where have you been?!

^{/who do you think coined the joke, "vast right-wing conspiracy"?
//In 1998. To claim the Republicans were making up the whole Lewinsky thing.
///Cigars, anyone?}

Radioactive Ass: Youtube link. (pops)

Please watch the video, if you haven't. It's much more impressive live.

Daddakamabb: Dude just be happy that he's on the boat now. I mean sometimes people need more time than others. I agree with you but... it doesn't mean you should push them away though.

True enough. I just, I can't, y'know, I...

I guess my frustration is that she hasn't done anything in the last couple of weeks that she hasn't been doing since the campaigns began. It looks a little more pathetic now because she's grasping so pathetically at straws, but it's not new.

Mostly, I'm frustrated that people fell for it for so long. Still, I am glad that it didn't work.

CarolynLibrarian: She's been a shrieking harpy shrew for YEARS man, where have you been?!

/who do you think coined the joke, "vast right-wing conspiracy"?
//In 1998. To claim the Republicans were making up the whole Lewinsky thing.

Well yeah, but she was mostly harmless^TM back then. She could have shrewed her way to real damage this year.

Hindmost: No, you can't have the nomination.

Not yours

Look at the youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9CRgFO2mnM&eurl=http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/you tube.pl?IDLink=3421322 (new window)

Here is the video of Obama's response, from CNN.

Dang it:

Link (new window)

hillbillypharmacist: Here is the video of Obama's response, from CNN.

Quite the contrast if you watch them back to back.

Enough with the speeches, and the rallies...

Yes. Yes, how dare he, at a time when the country is fractured and without direction, give hope and inspire massive crowds with rousing speeches. And then, how dare he successfully administrate a campaign that is currently operating within budget and winning primaries by the handful.

And HOW DARE HE point out the deficiencies in her ideas. They're true, of course, and she's been pointing out all the parts of his plans that suck, but how DARE he point that out!

I'm so confused as to what she thinks a real campaign is. If one guy says "I want to give everyone a puppy," the other guy says "that's stupid, he'll raise your taxes to pay for the puppy." The the first guy comes back with MR. JONES IS AGAINST PUPPIES and around we go. What is this "real campaign" she's shrieking about?

Oh, and yes-man Ohio Governor Ted Strickland nodding the background? fark you too, buddy.

Humean_Nature: Daddakamabb: Dude just be happy that he's on the boat now. I mean sometimes people need more time than others. I agree with you but... it doesn't mean you should push them away though.

True enough. I just, I can't, y'know, I...

I guess my frustration is that she hasn't done anything in the last couple of weeks that she hasn't been doing since the campaigns began. It looks a little more pathetic now because she's grasping so pathetically at straws, but it's not new.

Mostly, I'm frustrated that people fell for it for so long. Still, I am glad that it didn't work.

It's understandable seriously. I felt the same way back in '04 with Bush (not trying to derail...) I just couldn't believe that it took some people so long to jump on board... and I still couldn't believe that some people would never do it. I've come to terms with it though... some people just need more convincing than others and some people are thicker than lead. Just take what you can get, and be glad that they did it on their own accord :)