"lament the lose of their most reason raison d'etre"

Dude, seriously. Is there something I didn't get here or have you started drinking early?

So the powers that be finally decided to punish Ron Paul for daring to disagree with the all powerful Party....

I was wondering how long that would take.

i think that would be unfortunate.

i'd rather have a principled man, even if i don't agree with him on everything, in congress than a man who says what i want to hear but is for sale to the highest bidder.

I guess Ron Paul going national and getting all that name recognition made people in his home district actually realize that he's not really a Republican. All those years of instictively pulling the straight 'R' lever and they never actually listened to him.

At least he's got a ton of leftover campaign money he can use to buy gold.

reason = recent?

i'm surprised Paul made it this long... all that pub might not have been good for him in the long run.

subby:the lose of their most reason raison d'etre

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

I guess that's better than giving him the Senator Wellstone treatment.

Well, two have already fallen in Maryland. (One Democrat, one Republican.)

I don't see why Paul supporters would care. The free market has decided that their candidate is a douchebag. Do they hate the invisible hand or something?

Weaver95: So the powers that be finally decided to punish Ron Paul for daring to disagree with the all powerful Party....

I was wondering how long that would take.


maybe he should've focused on winning his district instead of a long-shot, albeit more successful than it could've been, Presidential bid.

What did you think would happen?

We've been telling you that Dr. Paul was unpalatable to 90% of the electorate.

\\Again, we told you so

Gosling: Well, two have already fallen in Maryland. (One Democrat, one Republican.)

Wait Whut? Seriously who are these people you speak of?

Chris Peden went from being up Paul's ass, to running a smear campaign and lying about his record. The man's main campaign point is that he tried to get a law passed in his town council making english the official language, and failed. He uses website like Pajamas media and little green footballs to attack Paul, and throws out "polling" showing he is leading by double digits. Too bad no one has ever seen these supposed polls, and according to Paul's campaign, Pau is leading Peden 60-20, with 20 undecided / refusing to answer. No one has seen that poll either though.

I have no worries Paul will hold his seat, he has 1 Million to back it up, has been elected 10 times, he has delivered half of his constituents into this world, many locals have a loyal connection to him. It is very funny checking out places like forums.hannity.com where they have full threads devoted to defeating Paul. The reason Paul had to shift so much attention to his congressional run is the suddden influx of outside his district forces working against him. GWB and Newt Gingrich tried to upseat him a while ago and were humiliated, the neocon war machine couldn't take out a "kooky" down-home Texas doctor. It is also worth noting Paul's history of success when backed into a corner locally. The "kind old doctor" has quite the reputation of playing harder ball that an any of his challengers. If things do get risky, look for Paul to drop some heavy push polls the day before and of the election to secure the win. It would be ugly, but so would losing to a neocon.

So the powers that be finally decided to punish Ron Paul for daring to disagree with the all powerful Party....

The powers that be are... the voters in his district who realize how much of a Libertarian he is, and not a Republican?

Or did you not RTFA?

If you strike him down, he shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.


/not at all obscure

El_Dan: I don't see why Paul supporters would care. The free market has decided that their candidate is a douchebag. Do they hate the invisible hand or something?

In the marketplace of ideas, Paul's have found a niche market, but in a winner-take-all system, niche markets fail. He has a tremendously vocal but tremendously small base, whose own enthusiasm and feelings of superiority over the "sheeple" have helped doom him to electoral failure.

Good riddance, I say. He's probably the most disingenuous hack left in the race. He's just a pseudo-libertarian one.

The_OcO: Chris Peden went from being up Paul's ass, to running a smear campaign and lying about his record. The man's main campaign point is that he tried to get a law passed in his town council making english the official language, and failed. He uses website like Pajamas media and little green footballs to attack Paul, and throws out "polling" showing he is leading by double digits. Too bad no one has ever seen these supposed polls, and according to Paul's campaign, Pau is leading Peden 60-20, with 20 undecided / refusing to answer. No one has seen that poll either though.

I have no worries Paul will hold his seat, he has 1 Million to back it up, has been elected 10 times, he has delivered half of his constituents into this world, many locals have a loyal connection to him. It is very funny checking out places like forums.hannity.com where they have full threads devoted to defeating Paul. The reason Paul had to shift so much attention to his congressional run is the suddden influx of outside his district forces working against him. GWB and Newt Gingrich tried to upseat him a while ago and were humiliated, the neocon war machine couldn't take out a "kooky" down-home Texas doctor. It is also worth noting Paul's history of success when backed into a corner locally. The "kind old doctor" has quite the reputation of playing harder ball that an any of his challengers. If things do get risky, look for Paul to drop some heavy push polls the day before and of the election to secure the win. It would be ugly, but so would losing to a neocon.

*shrugs* I'm not surprised that Paul would do some pretty underhanded and dirty things, but bear in mind, he has lost that district before. He has been elected 9 times (not 10), and has faced several strong challengers.

Pedens website tries to paint Paul as being for gay marriage and for abortion. Pretty much shows you what type of man Peden is when he would lie about very basic facts of Paul's positions. Peden's Pr is pushing the idea that his constituents are just now finding out what Paul is about. From my limited experience in the 14th, even a local with the lowest level political interest knows enough about Paul, and understands Paul's platform, and why he votes for country above party first. Locals also know him as a very devout Christian, and as a man who raised a great family, something the rest of America didn't seem to notice because he doesn't march around proclaiming it everywhere. It's Texas we are talking about, and people like that there.

A lot of misanthropic all-black-wearing Objectivist computer nerds are going to be pissed off.

I came here for the DFH/beer snobbery but if you want something done right...


/FTW!

FTFA: "He's a lifelong libertarian," Peden said in a telephone interview. "He is only a Republican of convenience, not a Republican of conviction."

Ron Paul was running for office as a Republican before the Libertarian party was ever founded. The Republican party was long a sanctuary for libertarians. Peden's criticism of Paul is that he hasn't let the corporate country club conservatives drive him out of his own party.

captainktainer:
He has a tremendously vocal but tremendously small base, whose own enthusiasm and feelings of superiority over the "sheeple" have helped doom him to electoral failure.


This is why the libertarian party will never be more than fringe. Libertarians, especially the internets variety, are incredibly snotty. Anyone who isn't a libertarian is a 'sheeple', is a 'slave to socialism', is 'afraid of reality', etc. etc. I'm sure we'll see many examples in this thread.

Elvis Christ: A lot of misanthropic all-black-wearing Objectivist computer nerds are going to be pissed off.

for the record, I prefer GREY and black. All black is too depressing.

The real question for me is, if Paul does lose, has he left himself open to a 3rd party run? If I'm correct, Paul has said he wouldn't run 3rd party while being a republican. If he loses his congressional seat, he really has no reason to stay republican, he can just retire and live nicely doing a few speaking engagements a year.....but the libertarian party has asked nicely more than once now for him to accept their nom. It may be possible that if the neocons are able to unseat him, Paul could get some sweet revenge by running 3rd party and draining a few votes from McCain. With how behind McCain is I would think that the gop would be playing a little nicer with Paul to try and get every vote.

Whoa, I just made the assumption that the GOP still has a clue anymore on how to win elections. You can just cross all that out.

While I admit, Paul is pretty batty, but since when did libertarianism become something only Internet nerds want/need? Personal liberty seems to be a concept lost on nearly all major party politicians ... and actually criticized by others.

Elvis Christ: captainktainer:
He has a tremendously vocal but tremendously small base, whose own enthusiasm and feelings of superiority over the "sheeple" have helped doom him to electoral failure.


This is why the libertarian party will never be more than fringe. Libertarians, especially the internets variety, are incredibly snotty. Anyone who isn't a libertarian is a 'sheeple', is a 'slave to socialism', is 'afraid of reality', etc. etc. I'm sure we'll see many examples in this thread.

Why do you hate the constitution?

Elvis Christ: captainktainer:
He has a tremendously vocal but tremendously small base, whose own enthusiasm and feelings of superiority over the "sheeple" have helped doom him to electoral failure.


This is why the libertarian party will never be more than fringe. Libertarians, especially the internets variety, are incredibly snotty. Anyone who isn't a libertarian is a 'sheeple', is a 'slave to socialism', is 'afraid of reality', etc. etc. I'm sure we'll see many examples in this thread.

Plus it don't work. Its like teh communism.

Kucinich might get his ass kicked in the general as well.

Who will be the Don Quixotes of 2012?

OilTheBlade

O RLY?

I could be wrong but I thought the first time he ran for office was as a representative to TX-22 in 1974. The Libertarian party was founded in 1971.

RUN AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE PLEASE!

Ron Paul is a bigger religious fanatic than George Bush. He denies evolution as science, and is the sponsor of the WE THE PEOPLE ACT of 2007. Did any of you Ron Paul supporters do any research at all on your guy?

El_Dan: I don't see why Paul supporters would care. The free market has decided that their candidate is a douchebag. Do they hate the invisible hand or something?

You're not as funny as you think you are

He could run and probably win an Independent seat in the northeast without issue.

I could be wrong but I thought the first time he ran for office was as a representative to TX-22 in 1974. The Libertarian party was founded in 1971.

Libertarianism existed before the Libertarian Party. Just as Republicanism existed before the Republican Party.

Ceph: He could run and probably win an Independent seat in the northeast without issue.

Not if anyone does the slightest bit of research on him. He is in Texas for a reason.

cyberwolf: I came here for the DFH/beer snobbery but if you want something done right...


/FTW!

If you drink beer from a wine glass, you're a huge tool.

/It's true- look it up.

I like RON PAUL if only for the reason that the words RON PAUL no longer have any meaning. It's just RON PAUL more stuff for me to filter out RON PAUL on the internet.

/PAUL RON kind of f**ks with me

I thought it said "moldy looners".

/same thing?

Wait... you mean that Texans are upset that their congressman doesn't toe the Republican party line? Or that "issues" and "policies" extend beyond having an R next to a candidates name?

I'm shocked. Shocked I tells ya!

I can see why Chris Peden appeals to so many Farkers.

The "War on Terror"
We must continue to support our brave troops serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere duty calls. We must fight Islamo-fascists abroad rather than fight them at home. As your congressman, I will be dedicated to giving our military the resources they need to fight the battle against the jihadists who wish to destroy our way of life because they abhor freedom, democracy, and liberty. America has been and will continue to be a beacon of light in a dark world; we must not waver and we can not fail to defend ourselves in a dangerous world.

Abortion and Gay Marriage:
I'm pro-life and pro-family; I make no apologies for that. This will not change if I am elected to Congress.

I supported the Defense of Marriage Amendment to the Texas constitution and I support the federal Defense of Marriage Act that prohibits state and federal recognition of same sex marriages. It is my unwavering belief that marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman.

(Thank God he doesn't want to put the matter to the states, instead keeping the power to legislate morality where it belongs, with the federal government.)

Fair Tax:
In my opinion there is only one tax reform proposal that would ensure just that, the Fair Tax. Unlike our outdated, productivity-killing income-tax, the Fair Tax is a national sales tax, based on consumption, which would allow Americans the opportunity to decide for themselves how much they will be taxed in a year.

Talk about a winning platform!

STEVE HOLT!

Schwarzen Winter

You're right on the years, so I'll stand corrected there. The point I was making, though, is that Paul is a life long Republican, and libertarian ideals were once welcome in the Republican party. His criticism could be echoed about conservatives who haven't left for the Conservative party.

deltabourne: El_Dan: I don't see why Paul supporters would care. The free market has decided that their candidate is a douchebag. Do they hate the invisible hand or something?

You're not as funny as you think you are

nah, he's kinda right. honestly, libertarianism, true libertarianism, is a very yoda-esque philosophy... you let things play out as they are meant to be, and only do what you believe is right... if your ideas have more merit, they will win the day in their due time.

understand it they do not, hmmm?

Snarfangel: I can see why Chris Peden appeals to so many Farkers.

The "War on Terror"
We must continue to support our brave troops serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere duty calls. We must fight Islamo-fascists abroad rather than fight them at home. As your congressman, I will be dedicated to giving our military the resources they need to fight the battle against the jihadists who wish to destroy our way of life because they abhor freedom, democracy, and liberty. America has been and will continue to be a beacon of light in a dark world; we must not waver and we can not fail to defend ourselves in a dangerous world.

Abortion and Gay Marriage:
I'm pro-life and pro-family; I make no apologies for that. This will not change if I am elected to Congress.

I supported the Defense of Marriage Amendment to the Texas constitution and I support the federal Defense of Marriage Act that prohibits state and federal recognition of same sex marriages. It is my unwavering belief that marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman.

(Thank God he doesn't want to put the matter to the states, instead keeping the power to legislate morality where it belongs, with the federal government.)

Fair Tax:
In my opinion there is only one tax reform proposal that would ensure just that, the Fair Tax. Unlike our outdated, productivity-killing income-tax, the Fair Tax is a national sales tax, based on consumption, which would allow Americans the opportunity to decide for themselves how much they will be taxed in a year.

Talk about a winning platform!

No they don't like Ron Paul because his foreign policy makes sense plus it makes Obama look like a warmonger.

Can't have a Anti war republican that voted against the war and funding it. That will take away the liberals only winning issue.

mesohorny: Can't have a Anti war republican that voted against the war and funding it. That will take away the liberals only winning issue.

Meditate on this, neocons.

JQPublic: Did any of you Ron Paul supporters do any research at all on your guy?

Probably not. After all, Ron Paul is essentially a blanket for Republicans who got 'conned' by Bush and don't want to give up the party. Pure ostriches who want to bury their head in the sand about their failure of an ideology and don't want to admit that Bush was the perfect conservative and they're perfect assholes for obeying him like the blind little followers their Jesus made them to be.

/trolling or truth?