Deal!

Selling more of these planes will help bring the price down.

It is an awesome plane. Fast as hell, and can carry both air and ground weapons. I learned that from a video game.

Of course we won't sell it to anyone else, why would we give away that kind of technology? They can have it in 20-30 years when we've moved onto the next generation of fighters.

F22? Isn't that the one that was beaten by A RAF Typhoon in an exercise? Why don't the Aussies buy the better machine instead?

I understand the concept of not wanting to sell certain secrets even to close allies- but Congresscritters are the last idiots who should be making that decision unless it has broader policy implications (i.e., nuclear tech).

Of course, I don't think we should be buying into the whole F-22 boondoggle, so I'd more than happy to see the whole lot of them exported in attempt to recoup our costs.

I fell in love with Naomi Watts during Mulholland Drive. Why are you talking about airplanes?

zz9: F22? Isn't that the one that was beaten by A RAF Typhoon in an exercise? Why don't the Aussies buy the better machine instead?

Is it cheap? And do you trade for Naomi pics? Also, is it cheap?

Epsilon: It is an awesome plane. Fast as hell, and can carry both air and ground weapons. I learned that from a video game.

I learned all I need to know about guns from CoD4.

/except I know M16s can't possibly be that cheap IRL

We can't sell jets to the Australians. The jet exhaust gasses will want to flow counter-clockwise.

Meh, let them buy the F-22. It's too fragile for carrier use.

The F-35 is the hot new plane, and they are working on making it VTOL.

I'm just wondering, when was the last serious air-to-air battle? I remember Libya tried to pick a fight in the mid-80's, but they didn't stand a chance, so I wouldn't count them.

They should have started off with the naked pictures.

/speaking of which
//thread currently worthless

23.5 billion?

thats like 5000 brand new cessna 172's... I think our airforce should fly hordes of 172's instead.

SWARM!

A Typhoon was said to have picked it up on radar from a further distance than USAF thought they'd be able to.

There were serious air to air battles during the first nights of Desert Storm and the first nights of Allied Force over Serbia.

Typhoons have beat down F-15Cs and 16s without a problem however.

The Japanese and Asutralians ought be be allowed to buy the F-22. The Britis aer wedded to the Europfighter, unfortunately for them.

Why? Are the Aussies going to fight the Soviets?

LargeCanine: The Japanese and Asutralians ought be be allowed to buy the F-22.

The Japanese ought to making transformable fighter jets like in Macross.

TAKE IT. TAKE THE DEAL.

Klivian: Meh, let them buy the F-22. It's too fragile for carrier use.

The F-35 is the hot new plane, and they are working on making it VTOL STOVL.

Fixed.

There will be three variants:
F-35A - Convential take-off and landing.
F-35B - Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL)
F-35C - Carrier launch and landing (CV)

came to thread looking for naomi watts pics
was disappointed

Even if the Typhoon beat the F-22 in a dog fight, that doesn't say much. The Typhoon is designed to dog fight. It has almost no ground support capabilities and it has pretty much no stealth technology. The F-22 was supposed to be good for everything. It is stealthy, it can drop bombs, and kick anything else, except the Typhoon I guess.

Not saying the Typhoon isn't cool, cause it is, but let's not compare apples and oranges.

...we have a statute of the United states titled the Obey Amendment...

Where is Roddy Piper when we need him.

Wait ... Watts?

/okay, so I got nothin'

Thoguh: Of course we won't sell it to anyone else, why would we give away that kind of technology? They can have it in 20-30 years when we've moved onto the next generation of fighters.

Just watch congress change its tune when Israel decides to mobilize the Jewish Lobby on this issue. The planes will be delivered and wrapped up with ribbons a week later.

They are rusting. Took a pic of a parked one on Tyndall AFB at an air show and discovered the F22 was rusting.

Got mugged by pork.

Of course we can't sell them to Australia. All excess production is currently on it's way to Israel.

cambie: Of course we can't sell them to Australia. All excess production is currently on it's way to Israel.

That's cause Israel will provide results on how they do against Russian and Chinese -made missile defense systems in Syria.

If we do sell them, make sure to hold out for Vegemite and Nutella.

Everyone we sell weapons to ends up using them against us in 10 years... so.. sure.. that sounds like a great idea.

more usefull against well, everything. cheaper too.

Fail. Teh Raptor, you can not has.

zz9: F22? Isn't that the one that was beaten by A RAF Typhoon in an exercise? Why don't the Aussies buy the better machine instead?

Those pictures look nothing like the Naomi Watts I remember.

treecologist: Those pictures look nothing like the Naomi Watts I remember.

Does she always keep her arms extended and her legs together?

Where are the Naomi Watts pics?

Man On Fire: more usefull against well, everything. cheaper too.

Wrong.

The British, Australians, and Canadians are the only ones who should be allowed to buy them.

clovis69: A Typhoon was said to have picked it up on radar from a further distance than USAF thought they'd be able to.

There were serious air to air battles during the first nights of Desert Storm and the first nights of Allied Force over Serbia.

Typhoons have beat down F-15Cs and 16s without a problem however.

I'm going to call here as well; F-15Es are not air superiority fighters. Throw an F-15C with AESA at'em and you'd most likely find that the Typhoon is by no means unassailable. If the F-15 didn't break apart mid-flight, of course.

Max Danger Power: Even if the Typhoon beat the F-22 in a dog fight, that doesn't say much. The Typhoon is designed to dog fight. It has almost no ground support capabilities and it has pretty much no stealth technology. The F-22 was supposed to be good for everything. It is stealthy, it can drop bombs, and kick anything else, except the Typhoon I guess.

Err... no. The F-22 has been called the air supremacy fighter by the Air Force guys. Not just "superiority", "supremacy". It's been designed from the start as a pure dog fighter with absolutely no equal. Now, the Air Force briefly redesignated it the F/A-22 and talked up how it could also drop A/G weaponry, but that was only when Congress was thinking about cutting their acquisition budget (it's multi-role, we swear!). Once that blew over they dropped the A.

DarnoKonrad: Why? Are the Aussies going to fight the Soviets?

Try China.

id sell em to Japan, with the condition they fully involve us in all the improvements theyd make, especailly in the electronics area. Dont have much of a problem with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians and Israelis having them either.

hell sell some to China. let them pitch a fit when they realise they dont have the tech base to build them, after spending a decade reverse engiineering it. Why not have some real fun and sell a few to South Korea...watch CHina, Russia and North Korea pitch superfits.

/not worried about china, nukes assure minimal conflict with them
//mutually assured destruction FTW
///ditto on Russia

Why the hell not? We might as well sell what we're the best in the world at, especially considering the trade deficit and current value of the dollar. I'm fine with selling them to Australia. Ditto on Britain and Japan. As far as Canada, if the shiat really hits the fan down the road at some point they could be the ones helping defend us. So they might as well let them have tech like this.

simpsonfan: The British, Australians, and Canadians are the only ones who should be allowed to buy them.



Yep. Only whiteys should be allowed to have these planes.

F-22's: no brown people allowed.

Sultan Of Herf: id sell em to Japan, with the condition they fully involve us in all the improvements theyd make, especailly in the electronics area. Dont have much of a problem with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians and Israelis having them either.

hell sell some to China. let them pitch a fit when they realise they dont have the tech base to build them, after spending a decade reverse engiineering it. Why not have some real fun and sell a few to South Korea...watch CHina, Russia and North Korea pitch superfits.

/not worried about china, nukes assure minimal conflict with them
//mutually assured destruction FTW
///ditto on Russia

The Israelis have a nasty habit of selling our tech to china, I agree with the rest though.

Oh and I'd say South Korea as well. They're cool.

You asked for it... you got it... Naomi.

cambie: Of course we can't sell them to Australia. All excess production is currently on it's way to Israel.

God, I hope you're joking. Wtf makes Israel so damn special?