I'm pretty sure we're getting beyond having regional implosion threads. We should just have a continuous world implosion thread.

Can we start blaming Bill Clinton for this?

We could do like China vs. Taiwan and derecognize Serbia on recognizing Kosovo, allowing us to withdraw our diplomats from danger.

birdmanesq: Can we start blaming Bill Clinton for this?

That's what I'm hoping

Don't embassies have military or armed guards inside the gates? These idiots want to bust in they deserve to catch many bullets for their efforts.

That crap would stop, posthaste.

LyleDAL: Don't embassies have military or armed guards inside the gates? These idiots want to bust in they deserve to catch many bullets for their efforts.

That crap would stop, posthaste.

Well, American embassies have detachments of Marines, but I don't know if those detachments are big enough or have enough weapons to take on a large group of rioters.

MickeyD: Well, American embassies have detachments of Marines, but I don't know if those detachments are big enough or have enough weapons to take on a large group of rioters.

Probably true, but you'd think that after Iran letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

LyleDAL:
Probably true. But you'd think that after Iran, letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

FTFM.

I suck at the punctuation.

Send Gordon Freeman. I hear he has experience in Eastern European insurgencies.

LyleDAL: Probably true, but you'd think that after Iran letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

That's a good point, and I wish I knew more about the Marine Security Guard to answer. The best I've got is: We have better evacuation methods now?

...as President George Bush and secretary of state Condoleezza Rice returned from a trip to Africa.

George has the jungle fever

MickeyD: LyleDAL: Probably true, but you'd think that after Iran letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

That's a good point, and I wish I knew more about the Marine Security Guard to answer. The best I've got is: We have better evacuation methods now?

They waited until it was empty and closed for the day. Shooting rioters storming an empty building is not a great idea politically, especially when the country you're in is already unhappy with the country you represent.

There were no walls to climb, it was simply a building on a street. Not all embassies are gated compounds (ala Saigon.)

birdmanesq: Can we start blaming Bill Clinton for this?

I should note that I don't actually think that this is Clinton's fault.

MickeyD: LyleDAL: Don't embassies have military or armed guards inside the gates? These idiots want to bust in they deserve to catch many bullets for their efforts.

That crap would stop, posthaste.

Well, American embassies have detachments of Marines, but I don't know if those detachments are big enough or have enough weapons to take on a large group of rioters.

Apparently many of these rioters are kids and children. (new window) They are tech savvy. You want to start a war in the Balkans? Get a few videos up on youtube of US marines shooting at Serbian teenagers.

noneyourbase: MickeyD: LyleDAL: Don't embassies have military or armed guards inside the gates? These idiots want to bust in they deserve to catch many bullets for their efforts.

That crap would stop, posthaste.

Well, American embassies have detachments of Marines, but I don't know if those detachments are big enough or have enough weapons to take on a large group of rioters.

Apparently many of these rioters are kids and children teens. (new window) They are tech savvy. You want to start a war in the Balkans? Get a few videos up on youtube of US marines shooting at Serbian teenagers.

FTFM

It seems to be approaching faster than we anticipated.

"While the Kosovo issue raises strong feelings in Serbia, no cause can justify such displays of violence."

Oh really that type of stuff starts Revolutionary and Civil wars

The Marines' duties revolve around protecting the ambassador and embassy staff; not necessarily the building itself. If the embassy had been open at the time, I would hazard a guess that shots would have been fired.

Everything is going according to plan

Just flood the empty building with Halon and let the dumb punks try and take it.

The next large terror attack will be done by White Eastern European Muslims cause they lay under the radar ya know being white and all

LyleDAL: Don't embassies have military or armed guards inside the gates? These idiots want to bust in they deserve to catch many bullets for their efforts.

That crap would stop, posthaste.

Serbia != Texas

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: It seems to be approaching faster than we anticipated.

I'll take moderate Christian imperialism over Sharia law please.

/the bread, it's buttered.
//there's butter on that side.

waaaah I'm an angry european waaaaaah america is teh ghey waaaaaah cappuccino waaaaaah waaaaah

dey terk er jerbs waaaah

Awww shiat. Here we go again. This is going to be another long war...

/moves to Canadia

I can't imagine why Kosovars want to be independent of the Serbs. They seem like such nice and reasonable people.

This should be interesting. I was watching the news the other day and some former UN Ambassador was saying the Kosovars (i think thats right) should have declared when we were there the first time. I dont know much about the subject, I was still in junior high for the Clinton administration. Anyone help me out with the history after 2000,

birdmanesq: birdmanesq: Can we start blaming Bill Clinton for this?

I should note that I don't actually think that this is Clinton's fault.

It was the Austro-Hungarian Empire's fault.

Saborlas: Send Gordon Freeman. I hear he has experience in Eastern European insurgencies.

Nah, send Ted. He can end anything.(new window)

FTA: "While the Kosovo issue raises strong feelings in Serbia, no cause can justify such displays of violence."

That level of hypocrisy is only going to make things worse. But the bigger issue is the "strong feelings" comment, which is the ultimate way to belittle anyone.

Also FTA: We have made clear to the Serbian government that we expect them to fully uphold their obligations to protect our embassy and other diplomatic premises in Belgrade.

If the Serbian people thought the government was representing them, they wouldn't be rioting, would they? Does this guy think the Serbian government is happy about riots?

Way to foment more violence against your embassy, Mr. Foreign Secretary David Miliband. Worst. Diplomat. EVAR.

Aren't embassies sovereign ground of the country they represent? Isn't attacking them some sort of bad move?

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: It seems to be approaching faster than we anticipated.

I'll raise you with...

LyleDAL: LyleDAL:
Probably true. But you'd think that after Iran, letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

FTFM.

I suck at the punctuation.


You had it right, the first time. Sentences shouldn't begin with "But" or "And."

colovion: They waited until it was empty and closed for the day. Shooting rioters storming an empty building is not a great idea politically, especially when the country you're in is already unhappy with the country you represent.

There were no walls to climb, it was simply a building on a street. Not all embassies are gated compounds (ala Saigon.)

What that makes me wonder about is whether any 'intelligence' assets or whatever you want to call them were compromised. Laptops, print-outs, electronics for surveillance. Not that I think hardware is more important than humans...well, actually, I think hardware is less important than *civilians* used by their government to burn our embassy. Any of their military or civil officials involved deserve a wedgie by our special forces though.

Reading about the Serbian asshole that Darwinned himself yesterday made my day. Helpful hint: Don't enter the building you're burning down.

NeuroticRocker: dey terk er jerbs serbs waaaah
FTFY

Gunny Highway: This should be interesting. I was watching the news the other day and some former UN Ambassador was saying the Kosovars (i think thats right) should have declared when we were there the first time. I dont know much about the subject, I was still in junior high for the Clinton administration. Anyone help me out with the history after 2000,

Short summary:

Kosovo had been more-or-less autonomous until Milosevic came to power and cracked down on what he felt was "oppression" of the Serb minority there. His crackdown became violent, and NATO started bombing. The goal of Operation Allied Force was to force all Serbian troops out of Kosovo. The region has been under UN administration ever since.

There is a school of thought that says that Kosovo would have been better off had they just declared independence immediately after the Serbian troops withdrew, but others felt that that would be perceived as a victory for the KLA (who were a pretty rough bunch). As the Albanian refugees returned home there was some backlash against the Kosovar Serbs so the UN stuck around.

/hope all that's accurate
//feel free to correct

cYn21: LyleDAL: LyleDAL:
Probably true. But, you'd think that after Iran, letting people breach the walls of our embassies would simply never be allowed. Ever.

FTFM.

I suck at the punctuation.


You had it right, the first time. Sentences shouldn't begin with "But" or "And."

No, that isn't true. You can though it is not commonly taught how to do it correctly. If you are going to use a preposition to begin a sentence, use the correct punctuation. As I was told by individuals with PhDs in English, there is no wrong way to write a sentence only that it may not be accepted by the general population.

blkhwk86: Awww shiat. Here we go again. This is going to be another long war...

/moves to Canadia

Just so you know we have had our fair share of action in the Balkans too.

//Obama/Clark 08!

You guys really do want to lose.

they're doing better the the Celtics on their west coast trip

Has anyone asked Obama or Clinton for comment about the situation? I'd like to know if they'll say something useful or go hide behind the nearest aide.

At least the rioters that Tom DeLay sent to Florida during the 2000 recount didn't burn the US Embassy there -- or did they ?

noneyourbase:

Nice thanks alot. The more i know......

jjorsett
Has anyone asked Obama or Clinton for comment about the situation? I'd like to know if they'll say something useful or go hide behind the nearest aide.

I am sure their responses would be along the line of not condoning the actions of a few misguided Serbs or that we should sit down and talk with the Serbian rioters and seek common ground.

jjorsett: Has anyone asked Obama or Clinton for comment about the situation? I'd like to know if they'll say something useful or go hide behind the nearest aide.

"We need Change! We need Hope! We need Hope for Change! We need Change for Hope!"

The whole thing is another big embarassment to Serbian nationalism. The opposition organized a demo where 200,000 people peacefully protested about the Kosovo thing, which seems reasonable enough.

Then a few guys did this.

Why isn't the invasion of all of these countries and the continuation of all of the wars we are in making me feel safer.
Whether we except Doctor Ron Paul or not we will need his platform and policies to dig ourselves out of the problems we've created for ourselves.

StokeyBob
Why isn't the invasion of all of these countries and the continuation of all of the wars we are in making me feel safer.
Whether we except Doctor Ron Paul or not we will need his platform and policies to dig ourselves out of the problems we've created for ourselves.

How so?

baka-san: birdmanesq: birdmanesq: Can we start blaming Bill Clinton for this?

I should note that I don't actually think that this is Clinton's fault.

It was the Austro-Hungarian Empire's fault.

actually this was probably the anti-Communists' fault. say what you want about Tito, but he held that shiat together.