Dear Submitter please go back to middle school and learn how to read.

FTFA: The virtual fence is part of a national plan to secure the southwest border . . . Not a State of Arizona plan.

FTFA: On Feb. 13, an officer in a Tucson command center _ 70 miles from the border _ noticed a group of about 100 people gathered at the border. The officer notified agents on the ground and in the air. Border Patrol caught 38 of the 100 people who tried to cross illegally, and the others went back into Mexico, a Homeland Security official said.

100 out of 100 did not make it across, that does not equate to Virtually useless

Brodeur ?

"Xenophobes/racists/open border" comments in 3..2..

Remote controlled machine guns with night vision capable cameras that are hooked to XBOX 360 Live so players can pay to "protect" our border. We can have a 3 month grace period when they're only filled with paint balls.

/Fezziwig For President '12

fezziwig: /Fezziwig For President '12

Only if it is available for the PS3, too. Then you have my vote!!

"What is most important is that we have an open world. As we look at this Wall, we do not want walls of any kind between peoples. I think one of the results of our trip, we hope, may be that the walls that are erected, whether they are physical walls like this or whether they are other walls, ideology or philosophy, will not divide peoples in the world; that peoples, regardless of their differences and backgrounds and their philosophies, will have an opportunity to communicate with each other, to know each other, and to share with each other those particular endeavors that will mean peaceful progress in the years ahead."
--Richard Nixon at the Great Wall of China, 1972


"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
--Ronald Reagan at the Brandenburg Gate, West Berlin, Germany, June 12, 1987


"This bill [re: Mexico border fence] will protect the American people, this will bill make our borders more secure. It is an important step in immigration reform"
--George W. Bush in the White House Roosevelt Room, 2006

"Since, my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear
I sentence you to be exposed before your peers
Tear down the wall!"
--Pink Floyd on the album The Wall, 1979

"Sometimes you put walls up not to keep people out, but to see who cares enough to break them down."
--Anonymous

"A world without walls is the only sustainable world. . . . If the world is dominated by people who believe that their races, their religions, their ethnic differences are the most important factors, then a huge number of people will perish in this century."
--Bill Clinton, unknown date

"We build too many walls and not enough bridges."
--Isaac Newton

"Building walls isn't going to work in the long run. Some people are happy with the wall in Israel, but somebody will get a weapon someday and knock it over or something. Walls aren't the answer between countries, though."
--Arlo Guthrie

There's a big difference between trying to lock in your own people and trying to keep people out, mediaho.

azmoviez: There's a big difference between trying to lock in your own people and trying to keep people out, mediaho.

Which is...?

If it catches 38% of the attempted crossers, that means we get the top 62% of illegal aliens.

Perhaps they could tighten it up still more by placing listening posts to sound an alarm if any Spanish is detected, and shut off automatically when fluent English is heard. That would give border crossers an incentive to learn.

eqtworld: If you want to come over here and not learn the language and start isolated Spanish speaking communities.... please stay in Mexico.

Just about every major city in the U.S. has a Little Italy, a Chinatown, and Irish section, etc. These didn't spring up because people didn't want to assimilate - they happened because people who have been here for maybe a generation or two longer shunned them.

I grew up in a very Italian neighborhood. It was fairly common that the older people didn't speak English and the younger people (who were born here) did. Nobody cried 'learn English' or 'oh noes! Anchor babies!' then. Well, some did. We called them 'racists.'

eqtworld: Do you lock the front door of your house when you go to bed? Keeping people from illegally breaking into your house does not mean you are not free to leave

None of your rather xenophobic backhands at the Mexicans coming over our borders mean a crap.

The fact is there are plenty of legal Americans willing to hire them. But no, let's pick on a bunch of brown people trying to make better lives for themselves because it's practically guaranteed work.

Don't you see this is a joke all around? The economy depends on the illegals. Take that away, and the false sense of economic security drops like a souffle.

You know, they keep coming in because American companies -- yeah, the ones that laid you off -- keep hiring them.

It's as stupid as the Drug War. Why the fark do we keep targeting the supply across the border at great cost when the demand's in our own back yard?

eqtworld: Asking someone who wishes to become a citizen of a new country to learn the language is not racist.

Except English is not 'our' language. It happens to be the most common language spoken in the U.S. but we don't have an official national language.

eqtworld: There is nothing wrong with a nation securing its border and regulating immigration. It has nothing to do with race.

There's plenty wrong when it doesn't work now, and it won't work.

If you want to come over here and not learn the language and start isolated Spanish speaking communities.... please stay in Mexico.

Fine. You're a xenophobe, then. It's hardly better.

The border fence is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard and fills me with shame.

dragonchild: Why the fark do we keep targeting the supply across the border at great cost when the demand's in our own back yard?

Because, as I've said, it's easier to pick on a bunch of poor people coming to this country to make their lives better. And it's just as easy to spit on them because they're not white and don't speak our language.

Unright, you are a politician aren't you!!! As long as a quote has the word "wall" in it, it has to be relevant to your point! For Example:
1. Pink Floyd on the album The Wall - It's not even a physical wall the song is about, it is a personal psychological wall being "built".
2. "Sometimes you put walls up not to keep people out, but to see who cares enough to break them down." - Criminals want to tear down walls pretty bad, does that mean we shouldn't have walls for prisons?
3. Bill Clinton, unknown date - The old flip flop himself as an example? Well he was talking about globalization at Berkeley. How fitting, with people nowadays protesting our soldiers in that city...
4. Isaac Newton - He was talking about the sciences...once again not a physical wall.
5. Arlo Guthrie - HAHA whatever...couldn't you at least find a quote from someone who at least sounds intelligent?

steelpeg: HAHA whatever...couldn't you at least find a quote from someone who at least sounds intelligent?

Haha way to answer the argument. Arlo's some stupid hippie who couldn't possibly make a point, right?

Soup4Bonnie: The border fence is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard and fills me with shame.

I agree. It should be an unassailable wall. We can afford it. We can't afford weakness.

Teambaylagoon: Brodeur ?

No. A 0.380 save percentage seems more Cloutier-esque.

KIA: It should be an unassailable wall. We can afford it. We can't afford weakness.

You tell 'em, Bushie. Heckuva job, BTW...

"Good fences make good neighbors."
-Robert Frost

/also "Something there is that doesn't love a wall."

azmoviez
There's a big difference between trying to lock in your own people and trying to keep people out

Humans are our people.

We wouldn't need as much fence if we annexed Mexico.

whidbey: Arlo's some stupid hippie who couldn't possibly make a point, right?

No he should stick to making music, something he is good at. I mean, come on:

"Some people are happy with the wall in Israel, but somebody will get a weapon someday and knock it over or something." I was happy with the World Trade Towers - and somebody got some weapons one day and knocked them over...does that mean the towers were bad? Israel is being attacked by terrorist groups almost everyday. If they want to build walls to try to protect their population as much as possible, I say more power to them! Plus his statement is stupid..."or something"...

"Walls aren't the answer between countries, though." Another "celebrity" that can tell you what is wrong (because their opinion is soooo important) but doesn't have any clue as to a solution. So we don't build a wall, now what?? The status quo we have now is not working too good - if at all...

RanDomino: Humans are our people.

There has to be some order to movement across borders or we might as well just throw out the concept of land ownership.

The purpose of borders and immigration processes are to ensure that those who choose to live here pay taxes, follow laws, etc.

I'm a huge supporter of a solid guest worker program, but you can't just maintain the status quo here and allow employers to undercut legal American workers, allow desperate migrants to die in the desert, and allow drug traffickers free transport.

steelpeg: No he should stick to making music, something he is good at. I mean, come on:

"Some people are happy with the wall in Israel, but somebody will get a weapon someday and knock it over

or something.

I agree with this. What's your problem with it?

"Walls aren't the answer between countries, though." Another "celebrity" that can tell you what is wrong (because their opinion is soooo important) but doesn't have any clue as to a solution. So we don't build a wall, now what?? The status quo we have now is not working too good - if at all...

If his opinion doesn't count, neither does yours.

azmoviez
There has to be some order to movement across borders or we might as well just throw out the concept of land ownership.

You seem to have a healthy outlook, given your concern for immigrants' rights and safety. The problem is people who rant about "sovereignty" and the like.
If countries were just arbitrary divisions or classifications of land, that would be workable. You don't need a visa to travel from Texas to Oklahoma, and countries should be like that. This still isn't ideal, because patriotism is utterly insane. The problem is that countries are in practice arbitrary divisions of people. Open up the borders, make them meaningless.

I want to hear what rock music sounds like with Mexican folk influences. I want a restaurant on the corner serving really good Guatemalan food. I want to know what might happen if their chefs get their hands on a Lebanese cookbook, in Philadelphia. I want their perspectives on art and philosophy. That's what's supposed to be great about America, and that's what borders keep from us- To save America, it must be destroyed!

dragonchild:
It's as stupid as the Drug War. Why the fark do we keep targeting the supply across the border at great cost when the demand's in our own back yard?

Bingo.

So... according to the above posts, we should open our doors to anyone who wants to come inside, let them take what they want and do what they want with it. Our requests for little things like immunizations, criminal background checks and, oh, yeah, an oath of allegiance to this nation, are absolutely horrible infringements of the aliens rights to go where they want and do what they want.

They don't need a fence anymore.

They finally got the right law there since Jan 1.

The illegals are leavin in droves.

eqtworld
Yeah, saying I think we should let anyone into the country

I agree wholeheartedly.

eqtworld: Yeah, saying I think we should let anyone into the country who wants to work at learning the English language and being productive in society makes me a total dick

What's your hangup with language? You're allowed to learn more than one, you know.

Does this mean they can get rid of the internal checkpoints 40 miles north of the border, stopping and asking me what my citizenship is? That has gotten really annoying.

Day 1 - Are you American citizen?
- Yes
Day 2 - Hey there again, are you an American Citizen?
- Yes

Even in the heavily Dem state of NY there is little support for illegals.

Look what happened to Spitzer.

He went from 65% approval to 25% approval overnight with his drivers licenses for illegals idea.

Illegals are just the latest tool of the rich man in his class war against america's poor and middle-class.

Scabs have always been bad for the american worker.

eqtworld: Try moving to the UK, try getting citizenship in Japan... It is not racist, it is just good national security policy.

There is nothing wrong regulating immigration and having rules.

Che?

Viva la riconquista!

The_OcO: Day 1 - Are you American citizen?

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

1.) Raid factories and plants and other locations known for a high quantity of illegals.

2. Anybody that can't prove their citizenship, given free access to anything they need, is brought over to the border.

3. The illegals build a 30 foot tall rock wall, a 20 foot deep and 20 feet wide trench, and a further 30 foot tall rock wall, over seen by construction companies that receive a considerable tax break for some time, and manned by a private security firm with government oversight.

4. Transparency is of the utmost importance. Everybody knows everything, and anybody that wants to watch, help in any capacity, or examine the working conditions may do so as much as they want, as often as they want, so long they remain out of the way of everyone else. Everyone is treated humanely, but still faces the same conditions one would expect in a maximum security prison.

5. Upon completion of the wall, so long they maintained a clean record (no fights, etc.), they are granted citizenship and an opportunity for employment by any of the companies involved in the guarding or upkeep of the wall.

Alternative:
I like the video game controlled border machine guns, but I think it should support all consoles that have internet access, and computers as well of course. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest live ammo, but tranquilizers would probably be quite acceptable.

Left winger Ceaser Chavez held protest marchs against illegal immigrants.

eqtworld: All our public schools, all our major business are set up for English. There is no reason to go though the inefficiency and division caused by becoming a bi-lingual nation if it is not necessary to do so.

Are you trying to tell me it would be less efficient and divisive to be more inclusive?

Yet again ..... I'm ashamed to be an American.

Cracking down on illegal immigrants is the way to protect the real economic traitors (the illegal employers).

Crack down on them with a employee verification program and the illegal immigrants will leave on their own. It's a very cheap solution.

Heath Schuler's (D-NC) SAVE bill goes after illegal employers big time.

Contact your congress persons and tell them to support it.

dragonchild
It's as stupid as the Drug War. Why the fark do we keep targeting the supply across the border at great cost when the demand's in our own back yard?

Supply-side economics?


KIA
So... according to the above posts, we should open our doors to anyone who wants to come inside, let them take what they want and do what they want with it.

It turns out that humans tend to expire if they do not regularly ingest organic matter, and they commonly exchange "money" for "food"; money is "earned" by "working".
So, what, are you worried that they'll come up just to be cold for a while and then die on your driveway?

Our requests for little things like immunizations

This is actually a valid point- open borders and free travel could help turn local illnesses into epidemics. Easily solved by remedying poverty, leading to better sanitation and health practice.

criminal background checks

Like you need to enter a state? What's the difference?

an oath of allegiance to this nation

fark that shiat.

Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.

Gen George S Patton

steelpeg: Unright, you are a politician aren't you!!! As long as a quote has the word "wall" in it, it has to be relevant to your point!

Naw. I didn't really have a point. I figured whomever would go after my quotes instead of mediaho's above me would out him/her self as nothing but a troll.