(crosses fingers)

Come on violent public suicide!!

SOB... he's going to lose another election for the Dems, isn't he?

Mr. Coffee Nerves: (crosses fingers)

Come on violent public suicide!!

We can only hope...

Hope you get a chance to tune in to watch Ralph Nader this Sunday on Meet the Press.

I hope Russert lunges over the table, rips out Nader's lungs, and steps on them.

I'd say most former Nader voters (like myself) now regret our youthful idealism back in 2000. He doesn't matter anymore.

patrick767: SOB... he's going to lose another election for the Dems, isn't he?

It depends on how much funding the RNC can slip him under the table.

I think Nader has pretty much spent all the political capital he had helping Bush get elected.

A guy like Nader is handy to have around. It give those who hate both sides, but still want to exercise their vote, an outlet.

gives

I think anyone who voted for Nader in 2000 learned their lesson in ways a lot harder than anyone would have expected.

aimtastic: I think anyone who voted for Nader in 2000 learned their lesson in ways a lot harder than anyone would have expected.

We can only hope.

Oh man, why can't this man just die already? He is the anti-Ron Paul. RP at least runs on the hope he can get elected. Nader runs knowing full well he will NEVER get elected, especially after 2000.

What the fark could he hope to gain by this? Even if his core issues are valid, who would listen to him given the animosity lots of Americans have towards him?

Diogenes: I hope Russert lunges over the table, rips out Nader's lungs, and steps on them.

Why would he ruin a lucrative career in order to fulfill your lame fantasy?

He's pissing on the wrong election. It's not as if we are being forced to choose between Forrest Gump and Eddie Haskell, here. Nader represents politics as usual/nauseating memories just as much as Hillary does.

sepuku2: Diogenes: I hope Russert lunges over the table, rips out Nader's lungs, and steps on them.

Why would he ruin a lucrative career in order to fulfill your lame fantasy?

Why do you care about my lame fantasies? Of course I'm not being serious in saying something like that. Lighten up, Francis.

How dare he, the founding fathers intended this country be run by Democrats and Republicans. Why should we mess with a system that runs so well?

Jesus Farking Christ: What the fark could he hope to gain by this? Even if his core issues are valid, who would listen to him given the animosity lots of Americans have towards him?

At this point it's not even a bit of past animosity for me. But like you, I suspect the only thing that will come of it is disruption. He missed the candidacy boat. I don't think it's his intention to be a "spoiler" but what other result could there be?

Hopefully he is going to endorse Obama

IF he does run I seriously doubt he'll steal much wind, if any, from Obama's sails. If he's a threat to anyone, it's Hillary.

Opposing nuclear power = colossal retard.

Carry on.

aimtastic: I think anyone who voted for Nader in 2000 learned their lesson in ways a lot harder than anyone would have expected.

I voted for Nader.

But in New York, so it didn't matter. If I was in PA, like I am now, I would have voted Gore. Well, I guess it wouldn't have mattered there, either, but you get my point.

THese types of 3rd party candidates get less and less votes each election they run.

Nader barely got any in 2004. He will get even less in 2008

Just wait till Ron Paul runs 3rd party; we have some craziness yet to go...

Please just go the fark away Ralph. It's way past the point where it became embarassing.

Last night, Obama turned water in urine. Not as good as what Jesus did, but barry is learning and getting better. Pretty soon, He'll be able to whip up some merlot.

I submitted a a similar article weeks ago. He had formed an exploratory committee, which is usually the first step before you run for president. It was not greenlit.

/end biatching

Halfmast Trousers: I'd say most former Nader voters (like myself) now regret our youthful idealism back in 2000. He doesn't matter anymore.

my worry (and hopefully it is not justified) is that there are a whole slew of new young idealists out there

especially those Paul-bots who are looking for someone to waste their vote on

/still give shiat to my friend who "traded" his vote in 2000, thinking it would hurt Bush

Why the hell would he oppose nuclear energy?

Nader, look what you did when you previously chose to run. You took enough votes away from Gore to give us eight years of Bush, and you defiled the party I currently occupy to the point of voter hostility. Stand back and let Obama take a crack at this on his own.

Halfmast Trousers: I'd say most former Nader voters (like myself) now regret our youthful idealism back in 2000. He doesn't matter anymore.

well, elections have been won and lost on very few votes recently, nader could really be a problem for the democrats...

Another nail in Hilary's coffin.

Not only was she already going to lose in the general election (in the now unlikely event she gets nominated) but now Nader will siphon off some votes from the left, giving her less of a chance.

swankywanky Quote 2008-02-22 12:03:57 PM
Halfmast Trousers: I'd say most former Nader voters (like myself) now regret our youthful idealism back in 2000. He doesn't matter anymore.

my worry (and hopefully it is not justified) is that there are a whole slew of new young idealists out there

I'm sure there are and I am glad there are.

But luckily this election Obama has the idealism vote. Nader won't get it.

MickCollins: Last night, Obama turned water in urine. Not as good as what Jesus did, but barry is learning and getting better. Pretty soon, He'll be able to whip up some merlot.

And you'll be right there with your mouth on the "spigot", huh?

why anyone would down nader for running is beyond me.

he wont pull votes from anyone, he'll either win them or he wont.

bashing nader is bashing another citizen for voting for who they want to be president, who the fark are you to question that?

Here we go again with the Nader cost Gore the election thread. I guess it is easier to blame Nader than Gore for Gore's pathetic 2000 campaign.

Then again, I always I forget that everyone left of the Republicans "owe" the Democrats political solidarity and a vote.

This two-party system needs to die a fiery death.

Nader has actually said more negative things about Obama than Clinton recently. Which leads me to believe he's going to "run" again.

*sighs*

Why does Ralph Nader hate America?

If he really wants to help America, he should get behind the wheel of an Edsel and drive into a wall already.

Progressives wouldn't vote for Nader. Nader is for junkies and conspiracy nuts.

/doesn't forgive Nader for 2000

If we all chip in could we buy him a Corvair to drive home Sunday?

I'm in for 50.00

Brown Jenkems: Here we go again with the Nader cost Gore the election thread. I guess it is easier to blame Nader than Gore Floriduh for Gore's pathetic 2000 campaign loss.

FTFY.

Brown Jenkems: This two-party system needs to die a fiery death.

1. there's no way we will go to a parliamentary system
2. without doing so, the election would come down to the candidate who won a plurality, and that's not good, or to a run-off election, which is also not good

the entire american system revolves around the assumption of the two party system. it ain't going anywhere

Brown Jenkems Quote 2008-02-22 12:07:49 PM
Here we go again with the Nader cost Gore the election thread. I guess it is easier to blame Nader than Gore for Gore's pathetic 2000 campaign.

I think BOTH sides of that argument are stupid.

On the one hand, shut up Gore. You had every reason to win that election with or without Nader but you farked it up.

But on the other hand, shut up Nader fans. It is pretty farking obvious that if Nader hadn't run Gore would have been the president.


Both of them are at fault for 8 years of Bush.

hattarwf: If he really wants to help America, he should get behind the wheel of an Edsel and drive into a wall already.

Don't you mean a Corvair? Leave Edsels alone.

apeiron242: Nader is for junkies and conspiracy nuts.

no, they'll be writing in kucinich and ron paul

Bill Frist: But on the other hand, shut up Nader fans. It is pretty farking obvious that if Nader hadn't run Gore would have been the president.

This. Yeah, Gore ran a lousy campaign but the fact is that he still would have won if it hadn't been for Nader.

Brown Jenkems: This two-party system needs to die a fiery death.

The two party system is the inevitable result of a plurality system. Until we get a runoff majoritarian election system, we will ALWAYS have 2 parties.

That is just how it goes.

Well, any real leftist would vote for Nader. When he describes Obillary as corporate political machines, he's exactly right. Obillary basically has two issues:

1. "Universal" health care, which means they'll require you to pay some large insurance company and garnish your wages if you don't. It's a kind of indentured servitude - in which you're forced to pay a big company while the big company gets to make good any losses by directly siphoning off the U.S. Treasury - that they're proposing.

2. "Withdrawal" from Iraq. This is the big crowd pleaser and the main motivator of Democratic voters this year. Obillary is outright lying about this one, and there will be no withdrawal from Iraq. Oh, they might shuffle some brigades around until you get confused and bored, but there will be no withdrawal.

The rest of the Obillary positions are just boilerplate neoliberal baloney that will get picked to pieces in Congressional Committees and largely never see the light of day. Obillary might tweak the tax code to punish the "rich," but not too much. After all, Obillary and Obillary's backers are all rich themselves. It will be cosmetic only.

So, liberals: You can vote for Nader and put your money where your mouths are, or vote Obillary and perpetuate the status quo.

Edsel: Yeah, Gore ran a lousy campaign but the fact is that he still would have won if it hadn't been for Nader.

and bush senior would have won if not for perot.