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(ABC News) Obvious "When it comes to terrorist attack, people in the U.S. focus on foreign radicals. Yet domestic extremists who commit violence in the name of their cause - abortion or the environment - account for most of the damage in this country"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 113
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HeadbangerSmurf [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:20:48 PM  
No, really?

 
Skail [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:25:54 PM  
Gee, if only there was an outspoken mass of people trying desperately to point this out to jingoistic retards back in 2002.

 
Action Replay Nick [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:26:11 PM  
The horrible grammar and punctuation in this article make it nearly unreadable. Whoever edited this story for publication to the web should be fired.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:30:20 PM  
I've often wondered what our current Congressional leaders would say if they were confronted by a group like the Founding Fathers...a small group of motivated people who were dedicated to overthrowing what they see as a tyrannical government and who were willing to take actions that would, by today's standards, be highly illegal and who's goals would verge on anarchy.

But then again, nobody reads Jefferson or Franklin anymore. I think the concept of freedom and small government terrifies the electorate. The idea that someone could do something without permits and government oversight would leave them terrified and in a panic.

 
BillCo [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:30:20 PM  
Zealots of any stripe are a danger.

Yes, this includes the atheist.

 
albo [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:33:08 PM  
sure. but just try to debate a FARK thread about ALF and ELF and call them domestic terrorists and you get a huge ration of "you're nuts, you stupid overreacting neocon" heaped on you.

 
dj_bigbird [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:33:16 PM  
Foreign radicals? Why would a foreign ethyl radical be any different than an American ethyl radical?

 
smooshie [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:34:31 PM  
BillCo: Yes, this includes the atheist who goes around bombing churches and mosques, or burning theists at the stake.

FTFY.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:34:54 PM  
albo: sure. but just try to debate a FARK thread about ALF and ELF and call them domestic terrorists and you get a huge ration of "you're nuts, you stupid overreacting neocon" heaped on you.

The best part is when our resident eco-nuts trot out the 'well the abortion folks did it too' defense. That's assuming they even bother to recognize ALF and ELF as having done anything wrong in the first place!

 
smooshie [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:37:23 PM  
albo: sure. but just try to debate a FARK thread about ALF and ELF and call them domestic terrorists and you get a huge ration of "you're nuts, you stupid overreacting neocon" heaped on you.

I think that's because while a lot of people don't agree with the methods that groups like ELF and PETA use, they agree with the basic cause.

One imam told me that suicide bombing was forbidden, because Islam forbids killing oneself. The implication there was that aside from the suicide, killing the "enemy" in "wartime" was completely OK. The method was just bad.

 
RocketRod [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:37:27 PM  
submitter: Yet domestic extremists who commit violence in the name of their cause - abortion or the environment - account for most of the damage in this country"

In other words... white people with too much time on their hands, right?

 
BillCo [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:40:42 PM  
smooshie: BillCo: Yes, this includes the atheist who goes around bombing churches and mosques, or burning theists at the stake.who want to strike down any belief that does not agree with their own.

FTFY.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 03:42:03 PM  
RocketRod: submitter: Yet domestic extremists who commit violence in the name of their cause - abortion or the environment - account for most of the damage in this country"

In other words... white people with too much time on their hands, right?


I wouldn't worry too much about that. Once Hillary gets elected, all the white people will be too busy working off their tax burden to cause trouble.

 
Lionel Mandrake [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:00:08 PM  
albo: sure. but just try to debate a FARK thread about ALF and ELF and call them domestic terrorists and you get a huge ration of "you're nuts, you stupid overreacting neocon" heaped on you.

Pffft. Not from me you won't. fark those guys.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 04:10:43 PM  
BillCo needs a hug. He's apparently lost.

 
Firetini [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:14:57 PM  
Tuesday is the most common day for an attack, he said.

We need to plan accordingly Amerkuh.

 
BobtheFascist 2008-02-17 04:16:05 PM  
So when do we start profiling environmentalists at the airport?

 
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:17:14 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: albo: sure. but just try to debate a FARK thread about ALF and ELF and call them domestic terrorists and you get a huge ration of "you're nuts, you stupid overreacting neocon" heaped on you.

Pffft. Not from me you won't. fark those guys.


Not from me, either. Hurting people and property to fight against hurting animals is wild hypocrisy.

 
Doggie McNugget 2008-02-17 04:20:15 PM  
I knew a guy who was arrested for eco-terrorism. He was putting spikes in trees so that when loggers put a chainsaw to them, it would catch the chain and potentially cause the chainsaw to kick back and hit the logger.

 
SnakeLee [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:31:17 PM  
Weaver95

I've often wondered what our current Congressional leaders would say if they were confronted by a group like the Founding Fathers...a small group of motivated people who were dedicated to overthrowing what they see as a tyrannical government and who were willing to take actions that would, by today's standards, be highly illegal and who's goals would verge on anarchy.

But then again, nobody reads Jefferson or Franklin anymore. I think the concept of freedom and small government terrifies the electorate. The idea that someone could do something without permits and government oversight would leave them terrified and in a panic.


On this same subject, I was wondering what would happen if Arnold Schwarzenegger decided that the country was being ruled by a tyrannical dictator, then grabbed a broadsword and rounded up an archer, a thief, a wizard and a warrior-priestess to march on Washington from Cali. Along the way I predict he would have some crazy adventures, probably fighting Scientology or something, before ultimately doing hand to hand battle with Bush and burning the Mountain of Power, which I guess in this case would be Washington D.C.

It would probably have the same effect as your Founding Fathers scenario and it would be way more interesting

/Did you just read that Adams v. Jefferson book? It's a good read. I didn't realize that Burr is my hero at life.

 
tonesskin [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:35:43 PM  
Doggie McNugget: I knew a guy who was arrested for eco-terrorism. He was putting spikes in trees so that when loggers put a chainsaw to them, it would catch the chain and potentially cause the chainsaw to kick back and hit the logger.

That pisses me off. I'm going to kill a puppy.

 
zeph` [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:36:20 PM  
"But, but.. atheists!"

A sure sign of stupidity.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 04:40:27 PM  
Tuesday is the most common day for an attack, he said.

Richard Reid attacked on a Saturday. U.S.S. Cole was on a Thursday. U.S. Embassy bombings were on a Friday. Army of God abortion clinic bombing was on a Thursday. Olympic Park bombing was on a Saturday. Amtrak Sunset Limited train is derailed by anti-government saboteurs on a Monday. Oklahoma City was on a Wednesday. WTC bombing was on a Friday. The list goes on and on. So far all he has is 9/11, the Empire State Building shooting, the anthrax mail, and Columbine. Pretty shaky theory you got there, squirt.

 
productivity_zero [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:46:20 PM  
Now, if only we could fight them somewhere else, so we didn't have to fight them here...

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-02-17 04:47:56 PM  
Right-wing Terrorism (new window) has killed far more Americans than radical Islam has. And if Hillary or Obama get elected, expect a dramatic rise.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 04:48:47 PM  
productivity_zero: Now, if only we could fight them somewhere else, so we didn't have to fight them here...

I was rather enjoying fighting them here. It makes them a lot easier to spot.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 04:50:14 PM  
DarnoKonrad: Right-wing Terrorism (new window) has killed far more Americans than radical Islam has. And if Hillary or Obama get elected, expect a dramatic rise.

The radical right hate McCain/Bush/ even Ron Paul the same, if not more than the left.

 
lerry [TotalFark] 2008-02-17 04:50:41 PM  
Hillary will fix it!

 
chard 2008-02-17 04:52:05 PM  
Skail: Gee, if only there was an outspoken mass of people trying desperately to point this out to jingoistic retards back in 2002.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

oh and

THIS

 
Smellvin 2008-02-17 04:52:43 PM  
DarnoKonrad: Right-wing Terrorism (new window) has killed far more Americans than radical Islam has. And if Hillary or Obama get elected, expect a dramatic rise.

To be fair, the extreme lefties had their share of mayhem in the late 1800's and early 1900's.

/The McKinley assassination and Sacco and Vanzetti just to name two of the most famous instances
//Then they just took over the Democratic Party and stopped killing

 
Daddakamabb 2008-02-17 04:53:25 PM  
thamike: productivity_zero: Now, if only we could fight them somewhere else, so we didn't have to fight them here...

I was rather enjoying fighting them here. It makes them a lot easier to spot.


Second

 
Nemo's Brother 2008-02-17 04:56:39 PM  
As another Fark thread or poster pointed out earlier today, there are many more attacks by animal rights and greenies in this country than prolifers.

 
jcooli09 2008-02-17 04:57:48 PM  
BillCo: Zealots of any stripe are a danger.

Yes, this includes the atheist.


Please, spare me. Atheist zealots? I think that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

 
Crude 2008-02-17 04:58:46 PM  
So far, that has been the case.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 05:00:49 PM  
Nemo's Brother: As another Fark thread or poster pointed out earlier today, there are many more attacks by animal rights and greenies in this country than prolifers.

No there aren't. And how many resulted or were even intended to result in death, anyway?

Your ass, where does it fit these magic parcels of infotainment?

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-02-17 05:01:47 PM  
Nemo's Brother: As another Fark thread or poster pointed out earlier today, there are many more attacks by animal rights and greenies in this country than prolifers.

Uh huh. Right. (new window) Is the above post the kind of thing right-wingers tell themselves so they can sleep at night? Animal rights nuts and tree huggers don't kill people. Right-wing terrorists do -- and they're much more numerous.

 
whereisian 2008-02-17 05:02:18 PM  
BillCo:

I can't think of a single domestic terrorist incident which was attributed to atheists. Can you?

Knowledge Base Directory > Incidents > Geographical Location > North America > United States (^)

 
thamike 2008-02-17 05:02:45 PM  
Weaver95: I wouldn't worry too much about that. Once Hillary gets elected, all the white people will be too busy working off their tax burden to cause trouble.

I would rather spend 4 years working off tax burden than spend another week with dumbf*ck fatigue.

 
birdboy2000 2008-02-17 05:03:15 PM  
Smellvin

Sacco and Vanzetti were innocent.

Darnokonrad

Isn't Islamic terrorism a form of right-wing terrorism?

 
thamike 2008-02-17 05:03:32 PM  
Not that Hillary would change that much. Hers is cherry-flavored dumbf*ck.

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-02-17 05:05:10 PM  
birdboy2000:

Darnokonrad

Isn't Islamic terrorism a form of right-wing terrorism?

True. Tho their political roots are pretty disparate.

 
SoupGuru 2008-02-17 05:06:48 PM  
The problem is, we need to hate easily categorizable groups. Like "brown Muslims". The thing with domestic terrorism is that it comes from people that look like us.

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-02-17 05:07:05 PM  
whereisian: BillCo:

I can't think of a single domestic terrorist incident which was attributed to atheists. Can you?

Knowledge Base Directory > Incidents > Geographical Location > North America > United States (^)


ELF is Atheist? WTF are you talking about?

 
Unright 2008-02-17 05:08:38 PM  
Doggie McNugget: I knew a guy who was arrested for eco-terrorism. He was putting spikes in trees so that when loggers put a chainsaw to them, it would catch the chain and potentially cause the chainsaw to kick back and hit the logger.

Nice. You're either a liar or an idiot.

The purpose of tree spiking is to get the logging companies to not cut down trees. After a tree is spiked, it is usually painted (or otherwise marked) to let loggers know that it is not advisable to cut the tree down.

 
thamike 2008-02-17 05:11:22 PM  
Doggie McNugget: I knew a guy who was arrested for eco-terrorism. He was putting spikes in trees so that when loggers put a chainsaw to them, it would catch the chain and potentially cause the chainsaw to kick back and hit the logger.

I heard he was also the doctor who pulled the gerbil out of Richard Gere's ass, and if you say his name three times in the mirror, he comes out and kills you.

 
EwoksSuck 2008-02-17 05:12:21 PM  
When Timothy Mcveigh bombed that building in Oklahoma City or Eric Robert Rudolph bombed the Olympics in Atlanta there was not a rush by our government to throw away our civil liberties in the name of security as has occured since 9/11. I know 9/11 was an awful deadly attack and we should be concerned about the threat of Islamic extremist terrorist but the reaction of our government has become way out of proportion to the threat. Bush has our own government spying on US citizens without the use of warrants. Our government is condoning the us of torture and sending suspects to foreign countries like Syria to be interrogated via torture. We paniced because the terrorists on 9/11 were foreigners. I understand the fear. But we have let it consume us and our policy has become more of a threat to our freedoms and liberties than the terrorists.

 
whereisian 2008-02-17 05:12:34 PM  
DarnoKonrad: whereisian: BillCo:

I can't think of a single domestic terrorist incident which was attributed to atheists. Can you?

Knowledge Base Directory > Incidents > Geographical Location > North America > United States (^)

ELF is Atheist? WTF are you talking about?


Where did I say that?

 
Felgraf 2008-02-17 05:13:26 PM  
Unright: Doggie McNugget: I knew a guy who was arrested for eco-terrorism. He was putting spikes in trees so that when loggers put a chainsaw to them, it would catch the chain and potentially cause the chainsaw to kick back and hit the logger.

Nice. You're either a liar or an idiot.

The purpose of tree spiking is to get the logging companies to not cut down trees. After a tree is spiked, it is usually painted (or otherwise marked) to let loggers know that it is not advisable to cut the tree down.


So these marks also, say, stay there year after year after year? Or do the tree-spikers go out each year and re-mark the trees?

'Cause, with tree growth, bark loss, etc., I get the feeling a spike is gonna last a WHOLE FRIGGEN LOT LONGER than the mark.

 
Murkanen 2008-02-17 05:14:44 PM  
BillCo:

Zealots of any stripe are a danger.

Yes, this includes the atheist.


You mean they finally found one?

 
thamike 2008-02-17 05:15:52 PM  
Felgraf: So these marks also, say, stay there year after year after year? Or do the tree-spikers go out each year and re-mark the trees?

'Cause, with tree growth, bark loss, etc., I get the feeling a spike is gonna last a WHOLE FRIGGEN LOT LONGER than the mark.


Environmental groups publicly renounced tree spiking almost 20 years ago. There has been only one known injury caused by an intentional tree spiking, and it wasn't caused by an environmentalist.

 
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