I am waiting for the historian rankings. Most people on the street don't know dick about the contributions of John Adams, Woodrow Wilson, or Eisenhower. Historical rankings of US Presidents (new window)

But it is much too early to be determining just how bad (or good) Dubya's presidency is.

The average American would probably be hard pressed to name ten presidents, so these things really don't do much other than prove how much people don't know.

Oh, God, and Reagan above Washington? Christ.

WorldCitizen: The average American would probably be hard pressed to name ten presidents, so these things really don't do much other than prove how much people don't know.

That's what I'm guessing. All the Presidents listed are either the most recent or the most obvious. How else could anyone include a President who managed to get himself impeached? If you had a poll of the top ten worst, many of these would be on that list also just due to sheer inability to come up with more than ten names.

/ W is the worst President in at least my lifetime
//yes, that includes Nixon

WorldCitizen: Oh, God, and Reagan above Washington? Christ.

History. They do not teach it.

Code_Archeologist: I am waiting for the historian rankings. Most people on the street don't know dick about the contributions of John Adams, Woodrow Wilson, or Eisenhower. Historical rankings of US Presidents (new window)

But it is much too early to be determining just how bad (or good) Dubya's presidency is.

Well with Regan #2 that pretty much proves your point.

Darius Harris: Mugato declares, "W is the worst President in at least my lifetime. Yes, that includes Nixon"


You must have been in a cave during the Carter years.

You must have not been alive during the Carter years.

Too bad most people don't know that Abe was confirmed to be a baby eater

That list is nothing but fail.

Bush ought to be on the other end. We haven't really had much of a president since Kennedy. Clinton was the best since then, and that's saying something.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral:
You must have been in a cave during the Carter years.

You must have not been alive during the Carter years.

Carter got handed a big pile of shiat just like whomever gets elected now it going to have to deal with. Could he have done better with it? Probably. Could he have avoided most of the things that mark his legacy? no.

SkySnake: Too bad most people don't know that Abe was confirmed to be a baby batter eater

FTFY

Well Lincoln makes sense.

Especially since the republican party was the liberal party back then.

It didn't become the con party until the 1880s when it was "bought" by the railroad robber barons.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Darius Harris: Mugato declares, "W is the worst President in at least my lifetime. Yes, that includes Nixon"


You must have been in a cave during the Carter years.

You must have not been alive during the Carter years.

OH SNAP!

From the online poll in TFA:

Where does George W. Bush rank among all U.S. presidents?
Among the bottom third 63%
Among the top third 24%
Among the middle third 13%
Total Votes: 201,047

Many too enamored with
Nostalgia, propaganda, myth.
Same with those who threnody
To this day dead Kennedy.

>> You must have not been alive during the Carter years.

You mean the man that created approx. twice as many jobs as Bush in half the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

A more telling poll would've been how many americans can actually name 10 presidents.

"This poll sucks!"



"Condi, kin ah go to th' bathroom now?"

>> From the online poll in TFA:

Online poll is another word for totally worthless information.

While its true that most Americans know nothing about presidents, it's also true that the bulk of professional (read: academic) historians are quite liberal. It's no surprise that the people who expanded their own power and that of the state are always at the top of their list. At least with the populace its basically just a popularity contest and not an argument for statism.

/sigh
//martin van buren ftw

"Poll...
Sucks....
hmm...

Wonder where I put Monica's number...."

>> it's also true that the bulk of professional (read: academic) historians are quite liberal

Most people are once they become educated and informed about history.

WorldCitizen: Oh, God, and Reagan above Washington? Christ.

The Cult of Reagan is strong.

The Bestest: A more telling poll would've been how many americans can actually name 10 presidents.

I can name them all in in order. I can also list the states alphabetically.

It's one of those tests I do in my head to see if I'm drunk.

>> The Cult of Reagan is strong.

Really ?

I'd say they were pretty stupid since they are largely the same folks that voted for Bush.

And the way they are getting slaughtered lately i would say they sure don't look too strong.

Fart_Machine: WorldCitizen: Oh, God, and Reagan above Washington? Christ.

The Cult of Reagan is strong.

Yes! He sold arms to the contras even after those lousy Dumbocrats told him not to. Way to stick it to those peace loving hippies!

It's because Lincoln started the civil war to free the black slaves down south, right?

/I know full farking well the Civil War was about unfair taxation practices of the Norther States against the Southern States, but you hicks lost the war, get over it. Revisionism, baby!

Gwendolyn: The Dreaded Rear Admiral:
You must have been in a cave during the Carter years.

You must have not been alive during the Carter years.

Carter got handed a big pile of shiat just like whomever gets elected now it going to have to deal with. Could he have done better with it? Probably. Could he have avoided most of the things that mark his legacy? no.

This... Carter was not a bad President. He was hamstrung by his own Democratic Congress, an Arab controlled OPEC flexing its economic muscles, and a pair of grossly incompetent Fed Chairmen who seemed hellbent on scoring the highest inflation rate in history.

Whether you're a democrat or a republican this list just doesn't work. Who honestly believes that Bush Jr. was better then Bush Senior? If they rated all the presidents I think everyone would agree that Bush senior should be ranked better then Bush jr.

Gwendolyn: I can name them all in in order. I can also list the states alphabetically.

It's one of those tests I do in my head to see if I'm drunk.

You sound like you must be damn fun at parties ;)

Hey guys check it out... Gwendolyn is going to try to name all the states in order again WOOHOO!

SherKhan: Many too enamored with
Nostalgia, propaganda, myth.
Same with those who threnody
To this day dead Kennedy.

Agreed.

I'd like to know how a president whose biggest accomplishments (in no particular order) include smoking weed in the White House and banging Marilyn Monroe becomes one of the greatest presidents in history.

....aaaannnd, I guess I just answered my own question.

>> The truth. (new window)

As expressed by a con (mainly delusions)

>> I'd like to know how a president whose biggest accomplishments (in no particular order) include smoking weed in the White House and banging Marilyn Monroe becomes one of the greatest presidents in history.

I'd like to see you "know" something.

Code_Archeologist: Gwendolyn: I can name them all in in order. I can also list the states alphabetically.

It's one of those tests I do in my head to see if I'm drunk.

You sound like you must be damn fun at parties ;)

Hey guys check it out... Gwendolyn is going to try to name all the states in order again WOOHOO!

I said "in my head" not out loud. Besides I'm a 33 year old married mom of three. How many parties do you think I get out to?

Gwendolyn: I can name them all in in order. I can also list the states alphabetically.

It's one of those tests I do in my head to see if I'm drunk.

Because you can only do it when drunk ????

twilson2: >> I'd like to know how a president whose biggest accomplishments (in no particular order) include smoking weed in the White House and banging Marilyn Monroe becomes one of the greatest presidents in history.

I'd like to see you "know" something.

That whole Cuban Missile Crisis was a PR stunt by the Teamsters to drum up business for their fall out shelter business.

they should have asked if americans can name more than 10 presidents not including Lincoln and Bush.

Bush?? Really? In the top 10? Chester A Arthur was better than Bush!

We will begin tonight with a tribute to our lesser known presidents. (Audio Clip- clicky pops)

Gwendolyn: I said "in my head" not out loud. Besides I'm a 33 year old married mom of three. How many parties do you think I get out to?

Three kids and their friends probably means lots of birthday parties. I can understand needing to drink to get through them.

/kidding

bg123: they should have asked if americans can name more than 10 presidents not including Lincoln and Bush.

This poll seems to have been conducted by Leno's staff.

Code_Archeologist 2008-02-17 12:29:29 PM
Hey guys check it out... Gwendolyn is going to try to name all the states in order again WOOHOO!

I think if I were at that party, I'd let her get about ten states in then start yelling out a few at random. Maybe even throw in a few foreign countries. Cause it's fun to mess with the drunk.

I am saddened that I did not see a "In Dead Last" option in the poll asking where George W. Bush ranked among all U.S. Presidents.

/Less than a year to go.

Gwendolyn: The Bestest: A more telling poll would've been how many americans can actually name 10 presidents.

I can name them all in in order. I can also list the states alphabetically.

It's one of those tests I do in my head to see if I'm drunk.

Same here. If I trail off into a rant about Hayes or Arthur's pants, I know I should probably have some water.

The people who participated in this poll probably thought the following people were also president: Benjamin Franklin, Charlie Sheen, Chris Ballew, Dave Dederer, Jason Finn.

/they forgot about Camacho

We haven't really had much of a president since Kennedy. Clinton was the best since then, and that's saying something.

LOL. Yeah, right. Kennedy's main accomplishments were a) almost causing WWIII with the Bay of Pigs, b) banging Marilyn Monroe, and c) getting shot in the head. I'll never understand the left's fascination with that whole family of losers.

For that matter, Lincoln gets a lot of credit for freeing the slaves, but that was a case of doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

Reagan, OTOH, now there was a president. "Today I've signed into legislation that will outlaw the Evil Empire forever...... We commence bombing in 5 minutes." Classic!

Wow, sort of interesting to see that our least qualified president in history became the best ranked president in history. Better yet, he came from the same state that Obama is currently serving as Senator.

/gObama!

Lincoln?

The guy whos very election broke the country in half?

Wow revisionist history really is fun.

Sorry its Washinton all the way. Revolutionized warfare to make the farking country in the first place. Reluctantly took comand of the country and after 2 terms stepped aside because he thought the country needed to learn to get along without him.

The man really put his country first, not a party or his legacy or his ambition.

Thats greatness

loser_death_spiral: LOL. Yeah, right. Kennedy's main accomplishments were a) almost causing WWIII with the Bay of Pigs,

Reagan, OTOH, now there was a president. "Today I've signed into legislation that will outlaw the Evil Empire forever...... We commence bombing in 5 minutes." Classic!

So:
Kennedy = bad because he almost caused a war.
Reagan = good because he almost caused a war.

Standard conservative doublethink and hypocrisy. Nothing surprising.

Reagan brought about the beginning of the end of communism and ended the cold war. He didn't sell arms to the contras. That was a CIA action approved and mainly headed up by Bush Sr. who was a former CIA man. Reagan "could not recall" because he had no idea. Kennedy was only mediocre. That's being generous. Carter did not "create" jobs. He didn't hire or fire anybody. The economy at the time of his presidency was caustic in the creation or loss of jobs. Carter had a lot to do with bringing down what good had been done. That's why his arse was ejected after 4 years. Similar to Bush Sr.... Lincoln was an excellent President and often underestimated.

Clinton was merely mediocre and any good he did will always be tainted by his man-whoring. Let's not wet up Washington's cack too hard either. He was a reluctant Pres. and his was a reward for his earlier acheivements. He was never greatly "keen" on doing it. Still better than most, I guess. Teddy R. was great as well as most of the rest of that list.

/Just my opinion.

loser_death_spiral:
LOL. Yeah, right. Kennedy's main accomplishments were a) almost causing WWIII with the Bay of Pigs, b) banging Marilyn Monroe, and c) getting shot in the head. I'll never understand the left's fascination with that whole family of losers.

For that matter, Lincoln gets a lot of credit for freeing the slaves, but that was a case of doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

Reagan, OTOH, now there was a president. "Today I've signed into legislation that will outlaw the Evil Empire forever...... We commence bombing in 5 minutes." Classic!

So one president sucks for almost causing WWIII and another president OMGrulez!! for almost causing WWIII?