Hubris is its own reward.

Yeah, because all the good things that happened in the 90s were limited to Washington only.

/not caring about the rest of the country FTW

FTA: "The explicit argument of the campaign against Hillary is that 'No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights. We're not going to have any of those anymore.' Well, if you believe that, I got some land I wanna sell you."

He's gone from White House hotel manager to real estate agent.

Dear President Clinton...

The sun doesn't shine out your ass.

Regads,
Me

When it comes to Clinton, it's always gotta be all about Bill.

He needs to STFU and disappear.


/Bill Clinton fan in the 90's.

UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, "It appears that the man who once told us 'Don't stop thinking about tomorrow' has changed his tune and is now singing 'Yesterday' everywhere he goes."

Exactly.

Which was the style at the time

yeah, Obama was not apart of the loss of both the House and Senate for the Democrats in 1994. Obama was not apart of the contsant investigation of a President for anything and everything he and his wife had done for 15 years. Obama wasn't there for the politically divisive Lewinsky affair which made the GOP despise Clinton, leading to a Bush run to the White House.

Bill, as much as I liked you in the 1990's, I am going to be honest with you... if I wanted to go back to the 1990's, I would turn on VH1 and watch one of those soul chrushing marathon's starring d-rated commedians making jokes about Mc-Hammer's pants, your wife's hair, and you're running to McDonalds.

Please, please please, turning back the clock is not the answer. It really isn't. Remember Iowa? Remember when you had the 1990's back on stage? Yeah, that was bad.

/ Politically Purple (new window)
A pet project of mine

No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights.

No, Bill; they're saying they don't want someone who believes in "the end justifies the means" politics, someone who is still playing the bullshiat political games from the 90s.

Hillary is the Democratic version of GWB. She:

- Is there largely as the result of nepotism
- Surrounds herself with sycophants
- Equates disagreement with disloyalty
- Thinks that every setback or criticism is the result of powerful forces conspiring against her
- Thinks that it's OK to engage in Machiavellian politics as long as her cause is just

Hillary may still win the nomination and the presidency, and if she does we are guaranteed another four years of corrosive vitriol.

God, he really sounds more and more like an ass the more he gets involved in his wife's campaign.

Bill... shut your farking piehole.

The social conservatives want to go back to the 50's, the Boomers never got over the 60's, McCain will drag us back to the 70's, the corporate conservatives pine for the 80's and the Clintons are trying to recreate the 90's.

Obama seems to be the only candidate living in this century.

Whoa there Harvey Manfrenjensenjen, that's too many big words for a Saturday morning.

The Clinton's are insignificant now. Move on.

FTFA The explicit argument of the campaign against Hillary is that 'No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights.

No, the explicit argument of the campaign is that you can't form enough of a majority to produce real change if you relive the fights of the 90s - and that's exactly what will happen if Hillary is nominated.

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights.

No, Bill; they're saying they don't want someone who believes in "the end justifies the means" politics, someone who is still playing the bullshiat political games from the 90s.

Hillary is the Democratic version of GWB. She:

- Is there largely as the result of nepotism
- Surrounds herself with sycophants
- Equates disagreement with disloyalty
- Thinks that every setback or criticism is the result of powerful forces conspiring against her
- Thinks that it's OK to engage in Machiavellian politics as long as her cause is just

Hillary may still win the nomination and the presidency, and if she does we are guaranteed another four years of corrosive vitriol.

THIS X 1,000,000

He's a gibbering sphincter.

I liked Bill Clinton before his wife ran and he (through his own conduct, not hers) destroyed his legacy and reputation.

/I don't think Hillary Clinton is the complete devil. But I'm ready for a change.

A letter I wrote to a Super Delegate asking for them to support Obama:

To whom it may concern:

I am writing to you to attempt to convince you to support Senator Obama in his campaign to become the next president of the United States. My hope is that you will appreciate my point of view, and perhaps it will convince you that Senator Obama is the best candidate for the Democratic Party in the November elections.

I am thirty years old, a married high school teacher, and a native of San Diego, CA. My political awakening began on a national level when my eyes were opened to the hypocrisy of the Republican attacks on then-President Bill Clinton. I was in college at San Diego State University, and the win-at-all-costs political trickery disgusted me. I would watch the hearings during my lunch break and think to myself that this isn't what America is supposed to be about. As the years went by, the trickery got worse and worse it seemed, culminating in the "elections" of President Bush in 2000 and 2004. The Karl Rove influenced dirty tricks and sliming of opponents only worsened my opinion of politics and politicians.

Then came Barack Obama. I heard of him after the Convention in 2004. I read his autobiography, and was struck by how open and honest he was about his life. He seemed to be the antithesis of the Karl Rove/George W. Bush deceitfulness. He was worldly, understanding, open, and honest. His words spoke of common sense and the ideals our nation was supposedly founded upon. The first thought that came to mind was that I wished he could be our president. At that point however, he was not in the running. I kept my eyes and ears open to see what would come next for this man that gave me such hope for our future.

Then came the news that he was running for president in 2008! I have NEVER been so excited about the political process in all my life! Here we are in a nation founded on the ideals of equality, justice, and compassion...but at the end of a presidency that pushed fear, intimidation, dirty tricks, disasterous foreign policy, etc. Obama is our chance to prove that we as Americans ACTUALLY believe in the principles we claim to hold dear. He is our opportunity to show the entire world that the Bush era is over, and that we refuse to elect someone who holds on to the destructive political machinery that he used so well.

As the presidential race began, I was hopeful that Obama would be the nominee, but Hillary Clinton was also acceptable as a choice for me. I had nothing but the utmost respect for her and her husband. However, as the campaign wore on, she and her campaign staffers began to resort to the same negative tactics that the Bush administration had resorted to in THEIR campaigns. News of "push-polls" referring to "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" began to surface. Mysterious e-mails full of blatant LIES claiming that Obama was Muslim, a racist, anti-American, etc, were forwarded by members of her campaign staff. People in her campaign began to make remarks insinuating that Obama was a drug dealer, or that he didn't participate in the pledge of allegiance. ALL designed to distract the American public from the REAL issues in the campaign. These tactics actually fooled some of the more ignorant people in our nation. Though they were disproven long ago, they continue to make the rounds, and are accepted as fact by some people.

For me however, these tactics had the opposite of their intended effect. It made me sick to my stomach to see the wife of a Democratic president who was almost taken down by such disgusting political behavior now attempt to benefit from it. Obama largely remained the bigger candidate, admonishing those who would resort to dirty tricks, and I maintained the utmost respect for him for being able to do so. Her failure to denounce the political trickery, along with her inability to unite a nation that has been divided bitterly for the past 7+ years along party lines is disappointing. For that reason I support Barack Obama with 100% of my being. I am also HIGHLY conflicted about supporting Hillary Clinton if she should recieve the nomination. I REFUSE to support a candidate that resorts to the types of campaign she has resorted to. My vote would most likely end up as a write-in of Obama in protest. My hope is that it doesn't come down to that though.

I am asking you to stand up with me in support of Senator Obama. A chance to elect a man such as him is rare, and is UNHEARD of for those who are a part of my generation. I hear talk from my co-workers who are older than I am, and they speak of Obama in the same sentences as JFK, RFK, and MLKjr...they speak of how this is the first time since the 1960s that they have seen a man of such dignity run for president. I see the hope in their eyes, and hear the exhilleration in their voices. I only hope that he will be given the chance to make all of America proud once again. Proud of who we are. Proud of who we can be. Proud of who we SHOULD be.

Sincerely,

J.M.
El Cajon, CA

Waco, NAFTA, World Trade Center I, Cruise Missiles to Iraq, Whitewater, National Health Care Failure, Kenya, Tanzania, Khobar Towers, Impeachment, Black Hawk Down, The Impeachment Airstrikes in Iraq, Bin Laden Who?, Sudan Pharmaceutical Plant Bombing, and the inability to KIPIYP so that if it were any other person, Al Gore was a shoo-in, but instead we get the chimp.

Ah yes, the 90's.

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights.

No, Bill; they're saying they don't want someone who believes in "the end justifies the means" politics, someone who is still playing the bullshiat political games from the 90s.

Hillary is the Democratic version of GWB. She:

- Is there largely as the result of nepotism
- Surrounds herself with sycophants
- Equates disagreement with disloyalty
- Thinks that every setback or criticism is the result of powerful forces conspiring against her
- Thinks that it's OK to engage in Machiavellian politics as long as her cause is just

Hillary may still win the nomination and the presidency, and if she does we are guaranteed another four years of corrosive vitriol.

You nailed it spot on man. I'd say she's just Bush-lite, but to be honest I'm not even sure about the 'lite' part anymore.

Her desperate, negative ad bullshiate is just absurd. I just hope that anyone who was previously undecided just sees right through that crap.

When the Clintons are re-elected, I wonder if the items missing from the Lincoln bedroom will reappear?

Like the missing Whitewater records did in 94.

John Cocktoastin: Waco, NAFTA, World Trade Center I, Cruise Missiles to Iraq, Whitewater, National Health Care Failure, Kenya, Tanzania, Khobar Towers, Impeachment, Black Hawk Down, The Impeachment Airstrikes in Iraq, Bin Laden Who?, Sudan Pharmaceutical Plant Bombing, and the inability to KIPIYP so that if it were any other person, Al Gore was a shoo-in, but instead we get the chimp.

Ah yes, the 90's.

Everyone just needs to lower their expectations and everything will be okay. Dumb it down a bit, smell the roses and enjoy the sunshine and the beauty of mother nature. And store food and weapons...lol.

canyoneer: yes we can yes we can yes we can

Thank you..:)

Wasn't the onion shaking what got Bill into trouble in the first place?

And yet, the Dallas Morning News (new window) comes out today with a story "Bill Clinton avoids attacks on Obama in East Texas". No mention of the sharp rhetoric from Bill in Tyler. And this from a paper that has endorsed Obama. I suppose it's inevitable that as Obama moves ahead in the race, media will start to swing against him, the better to keep a close, interesting horserace that will drive buys, pageviews, advertising?

Not complaining, I think it's just "Business as Usual" from the media business. Although a bit disappointed that they couldn't even mention the rest of the story here.

kregh99: God, he really sounds more and more like an ass the more he gets involved in his wife's campaign.

Bill... shut your farking piehole.

I used to respect him. He's ruining what little reputation he had left during this campaign.

hey you whippersnapper! get off of my (WIFES)campaign!

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Hillary is the Democratic version of GWB.



this is exactly why I refuse to vote for her. Even Obama running as her VP might not be enough for me to vote for her. I think I like the idea of writing him in if it comes down to that.

"Well, if you believe that, I got some land I wanna sell you."

Ugh ... Bill ... do you really want to go there?

John Cocktoastin: Waco, NAFTA, World Trade Center I, Cruise Missiles to Iraq, Whitewater, National Health Care Failure, Kenya, Tanzania, Khobar Towers, Impeachment, Black Hawk Down, The Impeachment Airstrikes in Iraq, Bin Laden Who?, Sudan Pharmaceutical Plant Bombing, and the inability to KIPIYP so that if it were any other person, Al Gore was a shoo-in, but instead we get the chimp.

Ah yes, the 90's.

Add the pardons of donors and clients of Hillary's brothers (which were in 2001, not the 90s), Defense of Marriage Act (throwing the gays under the bus to get re-elected), lies about Bob Dole, Iraq sanctions to enforce Bill's corrupt "Oil for food" program, and... and...

Yeah, this.

canyoneer: yes we can yes we can yes we can

peak oil peak oil peak oil peak oil peak oil

Darius Harris: Curious: What is the funtion of a 'civil rights' attorney? Is that some kind of a 'black thing'? What does a 'community organizer' do? How would a civil rights attorney 'organize' a 'community'? Lastly, how did Obama vote in the state Senate? What causes did he champion and which did he oppose?

Does anyone out there have any answer to any of this? Do the vast bulk of Obama's supporters even know?

If only there was some kind of device, a series of tubes maybe, which would allow one to easily search and find such information.

Mentat: Obama seems to be the only candidate living in this century.

This.

A break from the past versus the same Gilligan's Island re-runs for the past 40 years.

Darius Harris:
Curious: What is the funtion of a 'civil rights' attorney? Is that some kind of a 'black thing'? What does a 'community organizer' do? How would a civil rights attorney 'organize' a 'community'?


Obama was a community organizer before he was an attorney. He had a PolySci degree, but did not go to law school for several years.

This (new window) is one account of his community organizer days.

After graduating Harvard, he practiced law at Miner, Barnhill, and Galland. Here (new window) is one account of his work there.

I'll leave it to another poster to flesh out a bit more of his pretty-well-regarded work in the Illinois State Senate.

UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, "It appears that the man who once told us 'Don't stop thinking about tomorrow' has changed his tune and is now singing 'Yesterday' everywhere he goes."

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH BURN!
HE BURNED YOUR ASS B*TCH!

Darius Harris: Curious: What is the funtion of a 'civil rights' attorney? Is that some kind of a 'black thing'?

Oddly, even rich white guys have 'civil rights', so it's not "a black thing". People sometimes get confused because it's often minorities who need help in having their civil rights enforced equitably. Examples might be racial profiling at airports, enforcing voting rights, or traffic stops by police.

AFAIK Obama graduated Harvard Law School, and came to Chicago to work for a local law firm before eventually running for the state senate. It was while with the law firm that he organized community outreach efforts in low-income areas. A volunteer effort, or you might say pro-bono work on his part.

What year does he think this is, nineteen dickety-two?

Darius Harris:

I stand in fear of countering the intellectual skills of someone unable to visit wikipedia, but I'll take on one of these "daunting" questions just because I'm tired of people neglecting his time in the State Senate when they claim others have more "experience".

How did Obama vote in the state Senate?

Ethics and health care reforms, subsidies for child care and tax credits for the working poor.

But most telling to me reforms to the death penalty process, racial profiling and the mandate to videotape interrogations in homicide cases - all in ways that were police-friendly enough to earn him the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.


Do the vast bulk of Obama's supporters even know?

Do the vast bulk of McCain's supporters know his full voting record and issues stances, or the vast bulk of Hillary's supporter's know hers? If you think the answer is yes, you've fallen for one of the classic blunders:



Never underestimate the depth of human stupidity.

Darius Harris: The writer admiringly states, "For the record, in the 1990s, Obama was a civil rights attorney, community organizer, and was in the Illinois state senate."


Curious: What is the funtion of a 'civil rights' attorney? Is that some kind of a 'black thing'? What does a 'community organizer' do? How would a civil rights attorney 'organize' a 'community'? Lastly, how did Obama vote in the state Senate? What causes did he champion and which did he oppose?

Does anyone out there have any answer to any of this? Do the vast bulk of Obama's supporters even know?

It's too bad he doesn't have some kind of place to go.. a kind of site, perhaps, on the web, with his name in it that explains all of his views in enough detail that you're likely to get bored reading through all of them becuase they're so well fleshed out. It would be called something like.. http://www.barackobama.com/ (new window) and it would talk all about how during his few years in the senate he passed some of the largest increases in government transparency in decades, his opposition of anti-constitutional laws, his views on the economy..

Sure is too bad there's nothing like that out there. If there was I'm sure you'd have looked there before coming in here or you'd really seem like an asshole.

Keep talking Slick. Keep waving that finger and keep doing the same tired old shiat. Everytime you do, more people just naturally gravitate towards the better candidate; Barack Obama. You can always tell who the champion is - they are the ones everyone wants a piece of; in this case that would be Obama.

Take McCan't for instance.

If John McCain were half as smart as he is said to be he'd just sit back, focus on the support he doesn't have in his own party, and watch as the Clintons desperately flail away to try and survive this campaign.

Instead, he is aligning himself with the Clintons in their attempts to derail Obama. That might prove costly for a candidate who is divisive in his own party. Particularly against a candidate who is drawing large independent and bipartisan support.

Just keep coming, Clintonites and McCainers. There is plenty of whupass to go around.

Bull Schmitt: AFAIK Obama graduated Harvard Law School, and came to Chicago to work for a local law firm before eventually running for the state senate

Please go check my two links above, and maybe Wikipedia. Obama worked for several years with just a bachelor's degree, doing community work for $10,000 a year before going back for his law degree.

I liked Clinton... but let us be honest here... the dude will be known forever as the guy who cheated on his wife and got impeached for lying about it...

it is pretty bad when you have to run on the "my cheating husband was a better president than the current 4 year old in office" ticket...

/loves when she says stuff like 'im not bill' right before telling people that the 90's were so great

Mentat: Obama seems to be the only candidate living in this century.

This.

I feel like Obama is running against both Clintons.

the dude will be known forever as the guy who cheated on his wife and got impeached for lying about it...

He was impeached? I had no idea.

SubBass49: A letter I wrote to a Super Delegate asking for them to support Obama:

To whom it may concern:

I am writing to you to attempt to convince you to support Senator Obama in his campaign to become the next president of the United States. My hope is that you will appreciate my point of view, and perhaps it will convince you that Senator Obama is the best candidate for the Democratic Party in the November elections.

I am thirty years old, a married high school teacher, and a native of San Diego, CA. My political awakening began on a national level when my eyes were opened to the hypocrisy of the Republican attacks on then-President Bill Clinton. I was in college at San Diego State University, and the win-at-all-costs political trickery disgusted me. I would watch the hearings during my lunch break and think to myself that this isn't what America is supposed to be about. As the years went by, the trickery got worse and worse it seemed, culminating in the "elections" of President Bush in 2000 and 2004. The Karl Rove influenced dirty tricks and sliming of opponents only worsened my opinion of politics and politicians.

Then came Barack Obama. I heard of him after the Convention in 2004. I read his autobiography, and was struck by how open and honest he was about his life. He seemed to be the antithesis of the Karl Rove/George W. Bush deceitfulness. He was worldly, understanding, open, and honest. His words spoke of common sense and the ideals our nation was supposedly founded upon. The first thought that came to mind was that I wished he could be our president. At that point however, he was not in the running. I kept my eyes and ears open to see what would come next for this man that gave me such hope for our future.

Then came the news that he was running for president in 2008! I have NEVER been so excited about the political process in all my life! Here we are in a nation founded on the ideals of equality, justice, and compassion...but at the end of a presidency that pushed fear, intimidation, dirty tricks, disasterous foreign policy, etc. Obama is our chance to prove that we as Americans ACTUALLY believe in the principles we claim to hold dear. He is our opportunity to show the entire world that the Bush era is over, and that we refuse to elect someone who holds on to the destructive political machinery that he used so well.

As the presidential race began, I was hopeful that Obama would be the nominee, but Hillary Clinton was also acceptable as a choice for me. I had nothing but the utmost respect for her and her husband. However, as the campaign wore on, she and her campaign staffers began to resort to the same negative tactics that the Bush administration had resorted to in THEIR campaigns. News of "push-polls" referring to "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" began to surface. Mysterious e-mails full of blatant LIES claiming that Obama was Muslim, a racist, anti-American, etc, were forwarded by members of her campaign staff. People in her campaign began to make remarks insinuating that Obama was a drug dealer, or that he didn't participate in the pledge of allegiance. ALL designed to distract the American public from the REAL issues in the campaign. These tactics actually fooled some of the more ignorant people in our nation. Though they were disproven long ago, they continue to make the rounds, and are accepted as fact by some people.

For me however, these tactics had the opposite of their intended effect. It made me sick to my stomach to see the wife of a Democratic president who was almost taken down by such disgusting political behavior now attempt to benefit from it. Obama largely remained the bigger candidate, admonishing those who would resort to dirty tricks, and I maintained the utmost respect for him for being able to do so. Her failure to denounce the political trickery, along with her inability to unite a nation that has been divided bitterly for the past 7+ years along party lines is disappointing. For that reason I support Barack Obama with 100% of my being. I am also HIGHLY conflicted about support ...

Bravo. Couldnt have put it better.

Lord_Baull: He was impeached? I had no idea.

Is this one of those cases where sarcasm is difficult to detect on the interwebs?

Is this one of those cases where sarcasm is difficult to detect on the interwebs?

Abso-smurfly.
I found it humorous the dude that wrote: "the dude will be known forever as the guy who cheated on his wife and got impeached for lying about it" doesn't realize Clinton was never impeached,yet touts his ignorance as if the rest of the world knows as much as he.

Shrugging Atlas

Ayn Rand wasn't a geologist.

The new adherents - who range from senior Western oil-company executives to current and former officials of the major world exporting countries - don't believe the global oil tank is at the half-empty point. But they share the belief that a global production ceiling is coming for other reasons: restricted access to oil fields, spiraling costs and increasingly complex oil-field geology. This will create a global production plateau, not a peak, they contend, with oil output remaining relatively constant rather than rising or falling.

...On Oct. 31, Christophe de Margerie, the chief executive of French oil company Total SA, jolted attendees at a London conference by openly labeling production forecasts of the International Energy Agency, the sober-minded energy watchdog for industrialized nations, as unrealistic...This is "the view of those who like to speak clearly, honestly, and [are] not just trying to please people," he bluntly declared.

The French executive said many existing oil fields are being depleted at rates that will damage their geologic structures, which will limit future output more than most people allow. What's more, some nations endowed with large untapped pools of oil are generating so much revenue from their current production that they feel they don't need to further develop their fields, thus putting another cap on output. (new window)

Clinton said a "significant number of petroleum geologists" have warned that the world could be nearing the peak in oil production.

Clinton suggested that at current consumption rates (now more than 30 billion barrels per year, according to the International Energy Agency), the world could be out of "recoverable oil" in 35 to 50 years, elevating the risk of "resource-based wars of all kinds."

During a question-and-answer period, the Georgia Straight asked Clinton if he believed that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, and United Arab Emirates had exaggerated claims about their proven oil reserves. The four Persian Gulf states are among the six nations with the greatest listed proven reserves. (Canada and Iraq are the other two.)

"I don't know if they're overstating their reserves," Clinton replied. He added that he expects oil prices will reach US$100 per barrel "in five years or less."

Texas-based energy-investment banker Matthew Simmons, author of Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy (John Wiley & Sons, 2005), told the Straight last October that 60 percent of all Saudi oil has come from one field, Ghawar. Simmons said that after the Saudis nationalized the industry, they increased their proven reserves by 100 billion barrels without making any new discoveries. In 1998, retired petroleum geologists Colin Campbell and Jean Laherrère wrote an article in Scientific American, claiming that Saudi Arabia and several other Oil Producing and Exporting Countries had also increased their proven reserves. This enabled those countries to export more petroleum under OPEC's quota system.

At the AAN convention, Clinton delivered a detailed scientific explanation of some of the problems with the Ghawar oil reservoir. Clinton echoed Simmons's claim that massive amounts of water have been injected into Ghawar to maintain oil pressure. "It implies less oil than we previously thought," Clinton said. (new window)

Lord_Baull: I found it humorous the dude that wrote: "the dude will be known forever as the guy who cheated on his wife and got impeached for lying about it" doesn't realize Clinton was never impeached,yet touts his ignorance as if the rest of the world knows as much as he.

This word, you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means.