Wasn't it Barry who said the US government shouldn't be run like a business?

Well, none of them have ever run a business, but only one of them has ever changed his status in life from poor to wealthy.

Nestea Plunge: 3 men enter, one man leaves.

That, sir, was uncalled-for i.e. funny.

I like hillary 10 times more than McCain, and I like Obama 10 times more than Hillary, but if McCain is the worst we can do in this election... that ain't so bad.

Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

Same for Clinton & McCain, sure. I'm just saying, is all.

Well, none of them have ever run a business, but only one of them has ever changed his status in life from poor to wealthy.

So did Nixon.

This Is Bold Text: I like hillary 10 times more than McCain, and I like Obama 10 times more than Hillary, but if McCain is the worst we can do in this election... that ain't so bad.

It's like a dream come true. This year we don't have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

Well, the headline is taken directly from TFA, in which the author follows the line by explaining what he means by it.

Please, allow me to do your work for you:

FTFA: If nothing else, a presidential campaign tests a candidate's ability to think strategically and tactically and to manage a very complex organization. We have three plausible candidates remaining--Obama, Clinton and John McCain--and Obama has proved himself the best executive by far. Both the Clinton and the McCain campaigns have gone broke at crucial moments. So much for fiscal responsibility. McCain has been effective only when he runs as a guerrilla; in both 2000 and '08, he was hapless at building a coherent campaign apparatus. Clinton's sins are different: arrogance and the inability to see past loyalty to hire the best people for the job and to fire those who prove inadequate. "If nothing else, we've learned that Obama probably has the ability to put together a smooth-running Administration," said a Clinton super-delegate. "That's pretty important."

/RTFA--it's what all the cool kids are doing!

nacker: It's like a dream come true. This year we don't have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

As someone in the draft age range, McCain kinda scares me. But yes, this is a good crop, mostly because people are sick of the shiat from the last decade.

Managing is easy when your cash flow is good. The ability of a leader shows itself when it's notsogood. Seems to me that going from almost broke to winning the nomination (eventually) is lots better than always having money, and managing to tie.

vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

From what I can see, Obama is basically a black Jimmy Carter. The results will likely be the same if he wins: A single term president who the US people won't be able to get rid of fast enough.

How is Clinton supposed to run this country when she can't even run her own campaign? It's a case study in hubris, cronyism, and mismanagement at every level.

None of these jokers have ever ran anything. They are all farking senators. It's like hiring a farking sportswriter to coach your football team.

ThatGuyGreg: Managing is easy when your cash flow is good. The ability of a leader shows itself when it's notsogood. Seems to me that going from almost broke to winning the nomination (eventually) is lots better than always having money, and managing to tie.

The ability of an even better leader shows itself in never letting himself or herself get into the "broke" position in the first place.

Back to you.

vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

Same for Clinton & McCain, sure. I'm just saying, is all.

He has run a campaign by directing his message to an audience that is enthusiastic about what he offers, and he has done it in a way that has provided him with the money and support to further his goals.

To me, an executive that knows how to target his product to his consumers and does it in a way that gains market share and good will is pretty damned effective.

Seems pretty similar in terms of demands doesn't it?

I like when Barry speaks. Makes me feel all squishy and special.

Too bad he loves the terrorists so much. Not getting my vote.

/McCain '08

BKITU:

/RTFA--it's what all the cool kids are doing!

That is a dirty damn lie and you know it.

FTFA: Still, the Clinton campaign is already preparing its excuses for a Wisconsin defeat: It's an open primary. Independents and Republicans can cross over. Ohhh-kay. But the general election is open too.

Why does she not understand this yet!?

/durrrrr

They saved my favorite part for the end:

Wisconsin isn't much different--half as many African Americans, a slightly more affluent general population. Still, the Clinton campaign is already preparing its excuses for a Wisconsin defeat: It's an open primary. Independents and Republicans can cross over. Ohhh-kay. But the general election is open too.

Crosshair: vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

From what I can see, Obama is basically a black Jimmy Carter. The results will likely be the same if he wins: A single term president who the US people won't be able to get rid of fast enough.

So next we have, actor turned politician, Arnold Reagan? Frontal Lobe Develop. Master English Language?

And, if you ask me, the WAY someone runs their campaign, says a lot about their executive abilities and styles.

From just my political background (limited though it may be):
Bill Clinton - ran a campaign that thrived and lived on the attack and counter attack. It took a conglomeration of party ideals and popular ideas and ran with them as their own, counting on the personal charisma of the candidate to pull through. Loyalty was very important.

George W. Bush - Ran a political campaign based on attacks of the other side, in a large part personal (returning integrity to the White House). Mimiced party rhetoric in general without much unique in the terms of ideas. Relied heavily on 'southern charm' and 'upstanding religious guy' charisma of the candidate, while having groups associated with the candidate conduct vicious attacks on opponents without regard to future good will. These attacks were just removed enough from the campaign so as to not be directly tied to them and provide plausible deniability. (SC attacks on John McCain). A tight group of loyalists were the leaders of the campaign, and loyalty was highly regarded.

DrMcNinja: Crosshair: vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

From what I can see, Obama is basically a black Jimmy Carter. The results will likely be the same if he wins: A single term president who the US people won't be able to get rid of fast enough.

So next we have, actor turned politician, Arnold Reagan? Frontal Lobe Develop. Master English Language?

Better than a second term president that around 70% of the population now wishes we never had.

TheConvincingSavant: Wasn't it Barry who said the US government shouldn't be run like a business?

Exactly. The government is not a business.

nacker: This Is Bold Text: I like hillary 10 times more than McCain, and I like Obama 10 times more than Hillary, but if McCain is the worst we can do in this election... that ain't so bad.

It's like a dream come true. This year we don't have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

Agree. Newsletter. etc.

Also, someone needs to make this comparison:

GWB - Didn't plan for Iraq reconstruction because loyalists didn't see how everyone couldn't possibly love us. After all, were the USA.

HRC - Didn't plan for post Feb. 5 because loyalists didn't see how everyone couldn't possibly vote for her. After all, she's a Clinton.

Where's your 'years of experience' now?

TheConvincingSavant: Wasn't it Barry who said the US government shouldn't be run like a business?

Are you confusing CEO executive with president executive?

Because I think you are.

In this election, Obama has NOT proven his executive prowess. Wallowing in DONATED money and spending it does not demonstrate any particular executive acumen. None of the current candidates have any PROVEN executive experience, except perhaps McCain over three decades ago when he was a comanding officer in the military.

I will echo a previous poster who pointed out that of the three only one of them has been able to rally from a losing position into a triumphant one and that one is McCain (who I am lukewarm on).

What Obama HAS demonstrated is his ability to lead (Which is very different from exectutive skills). He has inspired and motivated people in a way that the other two simply have not.

And Clinton. Well... taking a foregone conslusion candidacy and turning it into a less and less likely candidacy shows her to be both uninspiring and a poor executive. To have all of the might and money and power of the Clinton Political machine at your disposal and still manage to generate such disinterest even within your own party is a special kind of fail.

Bottom line, Obama has not PROVEN anything regarding executive skills. But that's ok. His competitors are weak on that too.

what_now: Well, none of them have ever run a business, but only one of them has ever changed his status in life from poor to wealthy.

Hillary married a man who changed his status from poor to wealthy - shouldn't she be able to claim that experience as her own?

TheConvincingSavant: Wasn't it Barry who said the US government shouldn't be run like a business?

Actually it was Hilary who said that and Barack who refuted that concept in the California debate.

Crosshair: From what I can see, Obama is basically a black Jimmy Carter. The results will likely be the same if he wins: A single term president who the US people won't be able to get rid of fast enough.

You pulled this shiat yesterday.

FAIL

"We know he can walk on water," Democratic stalwart Donna Brazile told me, presciently, a year ago. "Now he's got to produce the loaves and fishes."

Black Jesus is here! Armageddon at last!

vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

Same for Clinton & McCain, sure. I'm just saying, is all.

Don't respond to Klein's argument in the article or anything; that would require, you know, reading and thinking.

Here, I'll do it for you: "Well Rove ran an amazing campaign for Bush in 2000 and 2004 considering what a failed idiot he'd been all his life, but that somehow didn't translate into a productive presidency."

Jesus, try a little.

What he meant to say was "The US government should not be fun by a habitually failed businessman."

Arthur Jumbles: what_now: Well, none of them have ever run a business, but only one of them has ever changed his status in life from poor to wealthy.

Hillary married a man who changed his status from poor to wealthy - shouldn't she be able to claim that experience as her own?

John Kerry AND his father did that too. Did that count as experience for him?

Was the "asinine" tag out to lunch?

FTFA:

"If nothing else, a presidential campaign tests a candidate's ability to think strategically and tactically and to manage a very complex organization. We have three plausible candidates remaining--Obama, Clinton and John McCain--and Obama has proved himself the best executive by far."

"If" nothing else, indeed!

Question: Which of the following two qualities are most important in a President:

A) The ability to persuade the general public into supporting you

B) The ability to guage what is best for the country and make those decisions, regardless of public opinion

There's a reason everybody can't be President folks...the majority of our citizens are unqualified to make decisions on national security, the economy, and social stability. Just because Obama can get a gazillion people to think he's marvelous, that does not mean he is "the best executive".

Ah, but he does have hopey-changeyness...

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: What he meant to say was "The US government should not be run by a habitually failed businessman."

My bad.

I have a serious question:

What exactly DOES qualify Obama to be President?

Level of difficulty: The other guys are worse is not an answer.

None of the 3 are remotely qualified to be President. It's going to get pretty rough for awhile.

FarkingSean:

Question: Which of the following two qualities are most important in a President:

A) The ability to persuade the general public into supporting you

B) The ability to guage what is best for the country and make those decisions, regardless of public opinion


Umm... I vote
C) Both of the Above

Being right and having no one listen doesn't do much for anyone. Being wrong and having the general public support you doesn't do much for anyone.

BojanglesPaladin: What exactly DOES qualify Obama to be President?

He's a natural born citizen who is older than 35.

terriblist: vid: Okay, I probably like Obama best out of the three, but just how the fark has he "proven" to be any kind of executive, ever?

They guy came out of nowhere, made a flowery speech at the previous Democrat convention, and has been anointed as the Great Black Hope of liberal Democrats. He has zero executive experience!

Same for Clinton & McCain, sure. I'm just saying, is all.

Don't respond to Klein's argument in the article or anything; that would require, you know, reading and thinking.

Here, I'll do it for you: "Well Rove ran an amazing campaign for Bush in 2000 and 2004 considering what a failed idiot he'd been all his life, but that somehow didn't translate into a productive presidency."

Jesus, try a little.

*applause*

BojanglesPaladin: Obama has not PROVEN anything regarding executive skills

TFA argues that running a campaign well- a huge, nationwide organization with thousands of people, budgeting and allocating huge quantities of money at a rapid clip, organizing and writing policy goals for an anticipated administration, ... (I could go on) - is indicative of executive prowess.

You disagree with this?

If you don't, then Obama has proven executive prowess.

Deneb81: FarkingSean:

Question: Which of the following two qualities are most important in a President:

A) The ability to persuade the general public into supporting you

B) The ability to guage what is best for the country and make those decisions, regardless of public opinion


Umm... I vote
C) Both of the Above

Being right and having no one listen doesn't do much for anyone. Being wrong and having the general public support you doesn't do much for anyone.

C wasn't an option, dammit. The question was which is MOST important. You farkers are really starting to piss me off...

/lol

BojanglesPaladin I have a serious question:

What exactly DOES qualify Obama to be President?

I'm reminded of when JFK said, "There are no schools for Presidents". It's tough to have experience at a job that will in no way compare with any other job on the planet.

But here are a few reasons why I think he'd do a good job.

1). He's a constitutional scholar.
2). He's worked at the local, state, and federal legistalive levels for long enough to know what he's doing, but not too long to complacent (like when a job offering looks for someone with "progressive experience").
3). Part of being the president is being a *leader*. Leader's inspire people to work harder and accomplish things. That's what he has, in spades over everyone.

stolen. But I love it.

And if the admins see fit to greenlight my subs, even more true.

BojanglesPaladin: I have a serious question:

What exactly DOES qualify Obama to be President?

Level of difficulty: The other guys are worse is not an answer.

My take? He's a great problem-solver who does dig deep into the boring details and is willing to work with whoever can help him reach a solution.

Here's a great argument from a policy/"hard work"/success perspective. I encourage any open-minded Farkers - especially those who support Obama and aren't sure why - to take a look. Haters won't bother to check it out, because this would upend some of their assumptions. But I STRONGLY encourage everyone to educate themselves, in order for you to make better arguments than you have so far. (Sorry, but "check out Barack's website for his policies" doesn't cut it.)

Link (new window)

It's not all "hopeychangeyness." But it sure would be easier for the haters to take Obama down if it were.

A little taste: Here's Obama (with Dick Lugar) writing in the WaPo a couple years ago:

"One part of our initiative would strengthen and energize the U.S. program against unsecured lightweight antiaircraft missiles and other conventional weapons, a program that has for years been woefully underfunded. There may be as many as 750,000 missiles, known formally as man-portable air defense systems, in arsenals worldwide. The State Department estimates that more than 40 civilian aircraft have been hit by such weapons since the 1970s. Three years ago terrorists fired missiles at -- and missed -- a jetliner full of Israeli tourists taking off from Mombasa, Kenya. In 2003 a civilian cargo plane taking off from Baghdad was struck but landed safely."

Obama seems to be the closest to my own political views, but this far out from the election "None of the Above" is still way ahead in my book.

Like I said, Obama's probably going to get my vote (providing he gets the nomination of course) but that won't be definite until September sometime...

Aarontology
LOL. Good point. I hope that is not ALL though.

llama42
Yes - I disagree with the article's premise. Spending wads of free money that is pouring in does not demonstrate executive skills to me. Anyone can run any organization with a nearly endless supply of incoming revenue. Moreover if that logic is valid, then McCain has MORE proven executive skill because he took a bankrupt, nearly dead campaign organization and turned it into a thriving triumphant campaign. Ergo, he has PROVEN he can produce winning results when things are NOT going well.

atleast it is easy to pick out the douchebags, just ctrl+f "barry"...you don't even have to read posts anymore to find out.