Actually, it's probably a better idea to relocate the operation to this country.

Hey why not? We outsource everything else.

M&M enterprises can provide both terrorists and torturers for your business needs!

/what is good for the company is good for all

A deal is a deal, no takesies backsies.

Do we still pay them in gold?

skookum: Actually, it's probably a better idea to relocate the operation to this country.

1/10. Where's skookum 2.0, liberal edition?

No ironic tag?

Skookum has become rather boring as of late. I prefered the ranting idiot troll he used to be. It just doesn't seem like he is even trying anymore.

Since he came to power Castro has refused to accept the annual lease payments on Guantanamo Bay.

Wow...when even Castro doesn't want your blood money, maybe you need to re-think the direction you're headed in.

skookum: Actually, it's probably a better idea to relocate the operation to this country.

Are you out of your mind?

I really see no need to rate my posts, and insinuating that I would bat for the liberal side is insulting.

Fine. You want exciting? There's going to be a real clean-up in this country when McCain's elected. It will become increasingly difficult to be a liberal in this society, and eventually, hopefully jeering idiots like you will be summarily dealt with.

So go ahead, enjoy your little party where you celebrate the death of this administration, but rest assured it's going to live on. And the changes are going to start here.

The truth is that there are facilities being built in the American West, yes, by Halliburton, and although at first it will house the illegal immigrants being processed and deported, they will be then sufficiently broken in for the next round of domestic dissidents. And this is coming in the next few years no matter who's in office.

Saiga410: A deal is a deal, no takesies backsies.

The U.S. leases Guantanamo for $2,000/year. They also violate the terms of the lease, which specify that the U.S. can use it as a coaling station for ships. What would you do if Uncle Sam was wouldn't get out of your basement?

Guantanamera..... guajira.... Guantanamera ....


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When I was growing up, I was always confused by that whole thing.

"Why don't they just jack the lease and boot us out?"

Ah, kids.

adiabat: Are you out of your mind?

No,I assure you, but keeping in mind that there are terror cells in this country just waiting to be activated indicates that much of the processing will occur in this country, which, I may add, could include other dissenting domestic elements.

They owe us. If we hadn't liberated them from Spain, they'd still be speaking Spanish now.

skookum:
No,I assure you, but keeping in mind that there are terror cells in this country just waiting to be activated indicates that much of the processing will occur in this country, which, I may add, could include other dissenting domestic elements.

Translation: "I'm so skeered!!!!!"

Yes, go ahead and laugh, it's par for the course, but when New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are in ruins after a successful detonation, you'll wish we had every phone line in America accounted for.

See, this is the difference between the real world, and Fark liberals acting like monkeys when confronted with the reality of this situation. It's almost amusing, and it's why a Republican will stay in the White House.

Maybe we could lease Miami to Cuba for $5000 a year? You know, as a gesture of good will. Or maybe DC. Even better.

BitwiseShift: Or maybe DC. Even better.

DC municipal government employees already have the inefficiency and apathy characteristic of socialist employment, so the transition will be easy.

skookum: I really see no need to rate my posts, and insinuating that I would bat for the liberal side is insulting.

Fine. You want exciting? There's going to be a real clean-up in this country when McCain's elected. It will become increasingly difficult to be a liberal in this society, and eventually, hopefully jeering idiots like you will be summarily dealt with.

So go ahead, enjoy your little party where you celebrate the death of this administration, but rest assured it's going to live on. And the changes are going to start here.

The truth is that there are facilities being built in the American West, yes, by Halliburton, and although at first it will house the illegal immigrants being processed and deported, they will be then sufficiently broken in for the next round of domestic dissidents. And this is coming in the next few years no matter who's in office.

And yet you claim liberals are paranoid crazies?

If we take you at your word, then Liberals have been right about EVERYTHING, and Republicans are the ones living in a fools paradise..

skookum: Yes, go ahead and laugh, it's par for the course, but when New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are in ruins after a successful detonation, you'll wish we had every phone line in America accounted for.

Hmm. You seem to know some specifics about some upcoming plans. Perhaps you are showing your hand there skookum, or should I call you Osama? I can see why you would want the GOP in power. They will continue the policies that get you and your suicide bomber buddies more recruits. I'm on to you.

skookum: Yes, go ahead and laugh, it's par for the course, but when New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are in ruins after a successful detonation, you'll wish we had every phone line in America accounted for.

See, this is the difference between the real world, and Fark liberals acting like monkeys when confronted with the reality of this situation. It's almost amusing, and it's why a Republican will stay in the White House.


I would hope that if we ever are attacked so devastatingly, we have a real leader who doesn't see the event as an excuse for dissolving the country. Call me a patriot that way.

DisembodiedVoice: Since he came to power Castro has refused to accept the annual lease payments on Guantanamo Bay.

He cashed the first one and we've used that as proof that his new government accepted the terms of the lease made by the previous administration.

Arthur Jumbles: DisembodiedVoice: Since he came to power Castro has refused to accept the annual lease payments on Guantanamo Bay.

He cashed the first one and we've used that as proof that his new government accepted the terms of the lease made by the previous administration.

Yes but the United States has breached at least one term of the lease:

ARTICLE III

The United States of America agrees that no person, partnership, or corporation shall be permitted to establish or maintain a commercial, industrial or other enterprise within said areas.

There is a McDonalds, among other fast-food enterprises, on the base.

skookum: Yes, go ahead and laugh, it's par for the course, but when New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are in ruins after a successful detonation, you'll wish we had every phone line in America accounted for.

See, this is the difference between the real world, and Fark liberals acting like monkeys when confronted with the reality of this situation. It's almost amusing, and it's why a Republican will stay in the White House.

If you know of a credible threat to these cities, you are obliged to report it at once to the authorities. If you choose not to, please consider yourself informed that your contact information has in fact been forwarded to DHS.

thisispete: Yes but the United States has breached at least one term of the lease:

ARTICLE III

The United States of America agrees that no person, partnership, or corporation shall be permitted to establish or maintain a commercial, industrial or other enterprise within said areas.

There is a McDonalds, among other fast-food enterprises, on the base.

Contractual obligations only apply to the US government when it benefits them. Take the Geneva convention. Iraq recklessly broke it by broadcasting pictures of US war prisoners at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Liberation (O.I.L., its original title, no kidding). It's a grave violation. Gitmo, if it were operated by any other country, would be an abhorrent violation. But since it's the US's, it's fine & dandy.

quizybuck Quote 2008-02-15 01:20:37 AM
They owe us. If we hadn't liberated them from Spain, they'd still be speaking Spanish now.


(sigh)

Lemme guess, you also post "We saved your asses in WW2" in discussions involving Europe.

thisispete: There is a McDonalds, among other fast-food enterprises, on the base.

Those aren't commercial enterprises because they are closed to Cubans. If Cubans could eat there in competition to Cuban restaurants, you might have a point. But as is, it's no different than any other method of feeding the American sailors and their families who are assigned there.

hankhorsey: The U.S. leases Guantanamo for $2,000/year. They also violate the terms of the lease, which specify that the U.S. can use it as a coaling station for ships.

The lease says it can be used as a coaling station for ships OR a naval station.

Cyber_Junk: Lemme guess, you also post "We saved your asses in WW2" in discussions involving Europe.

Psssst, what languange do you think they speak in Cuba now? ;)

nictamer: Operation Iraqi Liberation (O.I.L., its original title, no kidding)

Wow. I never caught that.

skookum: Yes, go ahead and laugh, it's par for the course, but when New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are in ruins after a successful detonation, you'll wish we had every phone line in America accounted for.

See, this is the difference between the real world, and Fark liberals acting like monkeys when confronted with the reality of this situation. It's almost amusing, and it's why a Republican will stay in the White House.

Because all the hardline Dictatorship type governments, where its people have no privacy rights, or even a Bill of rights are all perfectly safe places to live and work every day!

Yup!

/nothing to see heren move along
/obligitory "people who surender rights...deserve neither..." look it up

skookum if you aren't crazy, or a troll, then perhaps you could explain why none of the other successful nations in the world live in a sci-fi future police state like you love to describe so much?

skookum: I really see no need to rate my posts, and insinuating that I would bat for the liberal side is insulting.

You should be careful as trolling like that too frequently wears a groove in your mind. Every time it's a little easier to get into character and maybe a little harder to take off the mask. Imperceptible at first but best to be careful. Ignorance and bigotry, even in jest, can become a habit.

Ah, I see a bigger problem with the lease. It was signed by "The President of the United States of America, Herbert G. Squiers, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary in Havana."

/Surprised the Cubans haven't picked up on that one yet
//Shhhhhhh!!! Don't tell them

Darius Harris: FTFA: Cuba rejects "the violation of human rights, unjust incarceration of prisoners held there without charges, and their appearance in courts without guarantees and in which they are convicted in advance,' he told reporters.


Comedy gold.

When I read FTA, I thought the same thing.

Skookum is still around! You guys all realize he is just a fark cliche right? He's here strictly for entertainment purposes.

Always amusing when communist dictators positions are indistinguishable from liberals.

hankhorsey: Saiga410: A deal is a deal, no takesies backsies.

The U.S. leases Guantanamo for $2,000/year. They also violate the terms of the lease, which specify that the U.S. can use it as a coaling station for ships. What would you do if Uncle Sam was wouldn't get out of your basement?

No, we don't violate the terms of the agreement. This is the text of the argeement:

ARTICLE I

The Republic of Cuba hereby leases to the United States, for the time required for the purposes of coaling and naval stations, the following described areas of land and water situated in the Island of Cuba:

It then goes on to define the area affected.

ARTICLE II

The grant of the foregoing Article shall include the right to use and occupy the waters adjacent to said areas of land and water, and to improve and deepen the entrances thereto and the anchorages therein, and generally to do any and all things necessary to fit the premises for use as coaling or naval stations only, and for no other purpose.

One could argue that pretty much all naval stations have detention facilities, so the detainees at Gitmo are legal under the agreement because you will find a brig on every naval base in the World.

You can read the full agreement here:

Agreement Between the United States and Cuba for the Lease of Lands for Coaling and Naval stations; February 23, 1903


By the way, I had no idea if you were correct or not, so I actually went ahead and read the agreement. By it's terms, we are using the naval base there as a naval base, along with all the ancillary functions that go along with a naval base.

You, along with Castro, might not like it, but there is no violation of the agreement that I can see.

dittybopper:


By the way, I had no idea if you were correct or not, so I actually went ahead and read the agreement. By it's terms, we are using the naval base there as a naval base, along with all the ancillary functions that go along with a naval base.

You, along with Castro, might not like it, but there is no violation of the agreement that I can see.

Actually, I was wrong about the $2,000/year too--they upped it to $4,000 and change some time in the '20s or '30s. I feel a lot better now, and am eager to do business with the plain dealing U.S. government.

thisispete: Arthur Jumbles: DisembodiedVoice: Since he came to power Castro has refused to accept the annual lease payments on Guantanamo Bay.

He cashed the first one and we've used that as proof that his new government accepted the terms of the lease made by the previous administration.

Yes but the United States has breached at least one term of the lease:

ARTICLE III

The United States of America agrees that no person, partnership, or corporation shall be permitted to establish or maintain a commercial, industrial or other enterprise within said areas.

There is a McDonalds, among other fast-food enterprises, on the base.

Which are limited to selling their goods to the people on the post.

The idea behind that was to prevent commercial activity that would spill out from the base, ie., if someone started manufacturing clothing at Gitmo, and selling it to Cubans. Essentially, it is there to protect the Cuban economy. A sailor being able to buy a Big Mac in no way threatens Cuba economically.

Besides which, a lot of functions that were solely military are now outsourced, including things like managing dining facilities. Under a strict interpretation of Article III of the supplemental agreement, even those wouldn't be allowed. You couldn't even permit a sailor or Marine to make money sewing on patches, shining boots, or cutting hair in their spare time. They are after all individuals, and doing that stuff for money is a commercial enterprise.

Cyber_Junk: quizybuck Quote 2008-02-15 01:20:37 AM
They owe us. If we hadn't liberated them from Spain, they'd still be speaking Spanish now.


(sigh)

Lemme guess, you also post "We saved your asses in WW2" in discussions involving Europe.

Wow, did you really not catch that as being sarcastic?

(sigh)

skookum: I really see no need to rate my posts, and insinuating that I would bat for the liberal side is insulting.

Fine. You want exciting? There's going to be a real clean-up in this country when McCain's elected. It will become increasingly difficult to be a liberal in this society, and eventually, hopefully jeering idiots like you will be summarily dealt with.

So go ahead, enjoy your little party where you celebrate the death of this administration, but rest assured it's going to live on. And the changes are going to start here.

The truth is that there are facilities being built in the American West, yes, by Halliburton, and although at first it will house the illegal immigrants being processed and deported, they will be then sufficiently broken in for the next round of domestic dissidents. And this is coming in the next few years no matter who's in office.

That's some mighty fine trolling, Lou.

Has Helliburton built a series of detention facilities in the US largely unreported by the MSM?

Check.

Operation Power Geyser? Granite Shadow? Uh-huh.

Has BushCo signed executive orders giving him sole authority to impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus and ignore the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits deployment of U.S. troops on American streets? Yup. Will this give him absolute dictatorial power over the government with no checks and balances? Double check!

Is Quatchi worried about any of this stuff? Not particularily.

Is Quatchi aware that this is just the US government doing on it's own soil what it has facilitated happening in so many other places on this earth?

Again with the yeah-huh.

Skookum looks forward to the day when librul scum are cleansed in purifying flames of conservative rightiousness?

Ha! Quatchi just laffs at him.

Would explain all that but it's funner this way. Trust me.

On Topic?

When a human rights abuser like Castro tells you to pack up yer torture tools and go home maybe you'd best consider it. The American blockade and sanctions of Cuba is an immoral act that is long past it's "best before" date. The cynical politics behind it's endless continuation have more to do with neither party wanting to piss off the large Cubano ex-pat vote in FLA (a notorious swing state) than any real security reasons, in case you were wondering.