Despair has been rekindled!

Dammit. I was going to post "Frothing-at-the-mouth Hillary haters in 3... 2... 1..." but my internet connecction died and now I'm too late.

One net delegate. Uber.

Will McCain carry NM in the general?

Too bad she said caucuses are meaningless! Guess she still doesn't want that delegate.

I'm back baby!

Clinton: 48.8 %
Obama: 47.7 %

Not a winner-take-all state.

The momentum is back on Hillary's side! There is no stopping her inevitable rise to the nomination now!

BuckTurgidson

Clinton: 48.8 %
Obama: 47.7 %

Not a winner-take-all state.

No, for some reason those anti-democracy Democrats, with their undemocratic super-delegates, mostly avoid the winner-take-all wonderfulness that the democratic Republicans love so much. Except in the Electoral College, when it really counts.

oldebayer: Except in the Electoral College, when it really counts.

I believe the Democrats would be fine with eliminating the E.C., but getting 3/4 of the states to ratify it won't happen.

/ Obama > Bloomberg/Hagel > McCain or HRC

Damn it New Mexico! I'm tired of these long-ass wait times to determine your voting results!

I've said this many, many times, but you need to stop requiring peyote use while working on poll duty, and you need to discountinue the practice of having your vote totals dragged to the Secretary of State's office by packs of chained-together ravening coyotes.

Jesus.

Lawnchair: I believe the Democrats would be fine with eliminating the E.C., but getting 3/4 of the states to ratify it won't happen.

You don't need a Constitutional amendment. Just get enough states to constitute a majority of the EC to pass a law giving their electors to the winner of the national popular vote, to take effect only when enough other states have done so.

Every delegate counts when the margins are this thin, but this is hardly a mortal wound. It's Richardson's state so somewhat expected.

Churchill2004: You don't need a Constitutional amendment. Just get enough states to constitute a majority of the EC to pass a law giving their electors to the winner of the national popular vote, to take effect only when enough other states have done so.

I'd prefer each state to set up some kind of proportional EC vote allotment:

For states with lots of EC votes (CA, NY) a strict proportional system would probably work well.

For states with few EC votes (WY, MT) a system where the votes go all-or-nothing in the event of a 67% majority, but proportioned in non-landslide.

My 2c. YMMV

/Nothing in the Constitution requires all-or-nothing from any state.

BKITU: I'd prefer each state to set up some kind of proportional EC vote allotment

You'd still get scenarios where the loser of the popular vote wins the EC.

New Mexicans:

Isn't it nice to know you 'matter'?

BKITU:I'd prefer each state to set up some kind of proportional EC vote allotment:

For states with lots of EC votes (CA, NY) a strict proportional system would probably work well.

The problem is that if either California or NY went proportional without the rest of the country going proportional you'd have a permanent Republican presidency.

I blame Bush.

There's a New Mexico now?

I'm surprised Hillary isn't dashing down to Albuquerque on a jet to hold a huge victory rally for the national media.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: I'm surprised Hillary isn't dashing down to Albuquerque on a jet to hold a huge victory rally for the national media.

You made milk come out my nose. Good one

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: I'm surprised Hillary isn't dashing down to Albuquerque on a jet to hold a huge victory rally for the national media.

Caucuses are undemocratic, so they don't really count. You wouldn't expect her to contradict herself, would you?

I keep doing the math, but it's not adding up. Seems like 1039 outstanding votes. Unless there were a bunch of unmentioned candidates that got votes.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: I'm surprised Hillary isn't dashing down to Albuquerque on a jet to hold a huge victory rally for the national media.

Didn't you know that Thetans aren't allowed to return to their spawning grounds for at least 1,000 years after their births?

/I did it!!! I inferred that Hillary is in league with scientologists and involved in area 51!!!
//Hey you try doing mostly nightshifts for 2 weeks straight with no days off and tell me you aren't going to get a little goofy!

Churchill2004: BKITU: I'd prefer each state to set up some kind of proportional EC vote allotment

You'd still get scenarios where the loser of the popular vote wins the EC.

I don't mind that so much. I believe it would, however, force the candidates to address a much broader range of states, issues, and ideas to address those issues. They would have to fight for every vote in every state, instead of the current system where the vast majority of time is spent in "battleground" states.

As far as it guaranteeing an eternal Republican presidency unless every state is proportional... yeah, I can see that would probably be true.

I just kind of wish every state was the same way, rather proportional, winner take all or by district.

Aarontology: Caucuses are undemocratic, so they don't really count. You wouldn't expect her to contradict herself, would you?

You made milk come out my nose. Good one

New Mexico, Old Mexico, I don't care! There should only be primaries for President of the United States in this country.

For anyone who doesn't get the reference: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ED072596b.cfm

I just kind of wish every state was the same way, rather proportional, winner take all or by district.

I feel that way about booze. I went to Michigan, and they've got a whole row of it at the 24-hour Meijer. Here in Seattle, I have to go to the state liquor stores that are mostly closed on Sundays and jack the prices through the roof.

Oh, and medical marijuana like California!

The problem is that if either California or NY went proportional without the rest of the country going proportional you'd have a permanent Republican presidency.

Another problem, it would seem, is the constitutionality of such an agreement. From Art. I, §9:

"No state shall, without the consent of Congress, ... enter into any agreement or compact with another state..."

So if either candidate wins the popular vote but not the electoral majority, a challenge on constitutional grounds can be expected. Meaning that in such a scenario, the federal courts will again get to choose the president.

Clinton won New Mexico Caucus PRIMARY, only took eight days to figure that out


FTFY.

Article has it wrong too

"I'd like to thank my base of supporters for this resounding victory!"

Beat Obama by 1.1%?

Guess the news that Hillary fired her Mexican American anchor baby campaign manager is a little slow to arrive at the spanish language papers.

They basically split the delegates so it's hardly a victory although it will be fun to watch Hill spin it as such, particuarily as she was just poo-pooing the caucus states the other day.

8 days? Too early to call shenanigans but it does smell funny.

This somewhat deflates the "momentum" discussion Obama supporters have been bringing up. So much for a sweep of everything before Texas.

Was it the shameless use of a kid in a mariachi outfit on stage with her that put her over in NM?

Cagey B: Damn it New Mexico! I'm tired of these long-ass wait times to determine your voting results!

I've said this many, many times, but you need to stop requiring peyote use..

Speaking of peyote use, did anyone see the NM Elections guy making the announcement? He was the verbal equivalent of the Nick Nolte mug shot.

kpottruff: I_Approve_Of_This_Message: I'm surprised Hillary isn't dashing down to Albuquerque on a jet to hold a huge victory rally for the national media.

Didn't you know that Thetans aren't allowed to return to their spawning grounds for at least 1,000 years after their births?

/I did it!!! I inferred that Hillary is in league with scientologists and involved in area 51!!!
//Hey you try doing mostly nightshifts for 2 weeks straight with no days off and tell me you aren't going to get a little goofy!


..except A51 is in NV

/You probably meant Roswell
//..but thanks for playing!
///lovely gift certificates...

Klivian: This somewhat deflates the "momentum" discussion Obama supporters have been bringing up. So much for a sweep of everything before Texas.

Was it the shameless use of a kid in a mariachi outfit on stage with her that put her over in NM?

Except the fact that New Mexico was on Feb 5th. Good try though, I was wondering how long it would take before somebody said that an event that happened a week before his momentum would slow it down...

Klivian: This somewhat deflates the "momentum" discussion Obama supporters have been bringing up. So much for a sweep of everything before Texas.

Was it the shameless use of a kid in a mariachi outfit on stage with her that put her over in NM?

umm, you do realize that this was from a contest a week and a half ago, right?

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: You made milk come out my nose. Good one

Thanks, I try.

Too bad for her that she made those comments the other day though. She definitely could have used a victory rally to help her chances in the next round.

It would be funny as hell to see her try, then get ripped apart by everyone.

It would be funny as hell to see her try, then get ripped apart by everyone.

She's damned either way. If she says something then the press will rip her for the "insignificant" comment. If she says nothing then the press will blast her for turning her back on New Mexico voters.

She's dug herself a lovely little hole, eh?

I saw a way that the E. C could change that I thought was interesting. It may have been mentioned above.

Each congressional district gets one vote and whoever has the popular vote for that district gets that vote. Then each state gets two additional votes. The winner of the states overall popular vote would then receive those two votes. I think that California is trying to put that in place now. I don't agree with it unless all states do it though. Kind of gives people more of a feeling that their vote counts.

Or just overall popular vote would work, too.

munchy: Each congressional district gets one vote and whoever has the popular vote for that district gets that vote. Then each state gets two additional votes. The winner of the states overall popular vote would then receive those two votes. I think that California is trying to put that in place now. I don't agree with it unless all states do it though. Kind of gives people more of a feeling that their vote counts.

Oh god no. That means all the big states get divided up, but all the small state don't. Screw that noise.

National Popular vote.

/The California thing never made it on the ballot.

munchy

Perhaps you have not heard of Maine and Nebraska?

munchy: I saw a way that the E. C could change that I thought was interesting. It may have been mentioned above.

Each congressional district gets one vote and whoever has the popular vote for that district gets that vote. Then each state gets two additional votes. The winner of the states overall popular vote would then receive those two votes. I think that California is trying to put that in place now. I don't agree with it unless all states do it though. Kind of gives people more of a feeling that their vote counts.



I liked that idea too, the problem with it is gerrymandering.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: She's damned either way. If she says something then the press will rip her for the "insignificant" comment. If she says nothing then the press will blast her for turning her back on New Mexico voters.

She's dug herself a lovely little hole, eh?

And now she is employing the Captain 9/11 strategy and banking it all on Texas and Ohio. Many people have already said this, but it has become blatantly obvious that she was not prepared whatsoever for any opposition in the nomination process. She expected it to be handed to her, and now that it's not going her way she is grasping at whatever straws that are left over from the Obama Sweep.

Aarontology: I can attest to that. At my caucus in Washington State, the first tally was 98 Obama, 6 Clinton, 4 Undecided. Everyone was pretty shocked about the margin, and the Clinton supporters seems genuinely befuddled when I was explaining that Obama's grassroots supporters have been organizing in state for the past year. By the time the official campaign arrived in the state (mid-January), there was already a fully staffed, fully operating office for them to use.

You are correct, Clinton's people took the nomination as a given and developed no real contingency plan. It was a huge mistake that will be studied in political circles for years to come.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: She's damned either way. If she says something then the press will rip her for the "insignificant" comment. If she says nothing then the press will blast her for turning her back on New Mexico voters.

She's dug herself a lovely little hole, eh?

A hole the Obama camp can dig twice as deep by acknowledging/congratulating her for the win.

/the high road always FTW

there were some really strange numbers showing up in the results as the last few % were being tallied. it just didn't look right as i was waiting to see results posted on the CNN page.

wonder if it had anything to do with the ballot box shenanigans.